---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <uNudnZdpx6DiBBXCnZ2dnUU7-TvNnZ2d@giganews.com> Date: 15 Oct 2020 13:48:31 -0500 From: "Doug McIntyre" <merlyn@dork.geeks.org> Subject: Re: Top 10 Best Dsl Router Modems 2020 Bill Horne <malQassRimiMlation@gmail.com> writes: >*** PLEA FOR HELP *** >ADSL routers now come with a terminal unit built-in, which is not >like the old days and not what I'm used to. Ergo, i had to tell them >that my routers wouldn't work, and the meeting is paying to rent one >from Frontier. >Although the URL below points to some ratings of "DSL-compatible" >routers, I'm really looking for advice. Here's the question: how do I >make a router with an Ethernet input work with a DSL line? I don't >have any TU's left in my pile 'o parts, so the question is really >"What's the most cost-effective solution?" I'm not quite sure what you are asking for, but my guess is that you are asking about having the DSL device either be a bridge or a full router. Some areas of the country (not all) only deployed DSL bridges, plug it in, there is no protection or separation from the ISP network layer-2 and you. Other areas only used a full router, where the device uses PPPoA or PPPoE using a username & password to authenticate and to connect up to the ISP network, and the router typically provides NAT, DHCP services, firewall, etc. I've seen most ISPs drop support of bridges in the last decade, and going only to full routers, although most DSL CPE can be set into bridge mode in order to facilitate the use of PPPoE after the device by an external router. That is typically what I have done, use whatever CPE the telco delivered, set it up into bridge mode, and have my router (or firewall device) of my preference handling the routing, NAT, firewalling -- Doug McIntyre doug@themcintyres.us ***** Moderator's Note ***** This thread has become a good illustration of how hard it is to convery contextual information in print. I'll try to make the question more clear: 1. When my Quaker meeting told me that we would contract for an ADSL line from Frontier, I offered to supply a WiFi-capable router. 2. Frontier, as it turns out, is one of the LECs that installs DSL-capable routers, not bridges, and I thought I would have to back out of the commitment, since my stock of spare parts doesn't include a DSL-capable router, or the bridge which might allow me to use the spare router I have, which is the kind that expects an Ethernet-based input from a DSL bridge. 3. I was able to purchase a used DSL router, albeit one that's branded "Verizon," for about $29, and when it arrives, I'll see if it works with Frontier DSL. Tips and tricks welcome, as always. Bill Horne Moderator ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20201015200641.GA10297@telecom.csail.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 20:06:41 +0000 From: Moderator <telecomdigestsubmissions@remove-this.telecom-digest.org> Subject: How Risky Is Tossing Your Old Servers? Maybe [as risky as a] $60,000,000 Fine We all have them. Old computers sitting around in storage, never to be used again. Broken servers that have passed their prime. Laptops abandoned for their newer, shinier versions. And what do you do with them? If these are business computers and you were considering tossing them into the trash can or hauling them to the landfill, you could be courting serious risk for your company. Improper disposal of data holders can lead to embarrassment, lawsuits and fines. https://www.natlawreview.com/article/how-risky-tossing-your-old-servers-maybe-60000000-fine -- Bill Horne Telecom Digest Moderator ------------------------------ Message-ID: <CAH8yC8mzVmONLvzWaCUa6xA7fn5JaA=+5gx3Z_NyWM2D0e8QQw@mail.gmail.com> Date: 15 Oct 2020 17:00:16 -0400 From: "Jeffrey Walton" <noloader@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Another Voice: What the pandemic teaches us about net neutrality On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 3:03 PM Moderator <telecomdigestsubmissions@remove-this.remove-this.telecom-digest.org> wrote: > > By Martha Buyer > > At its Oct. 27 meeting, the Federal Communications Commission plans to > vote on whether to accept its motion on remand regarding the deceptively > named Restoring Internet Freedom Order. As that day draws near, it's > important for consumers to recognize that this light-handed regulatory > approach has not helped broadband deployment to rural and urban > communities even as the internet, like it or not, has become a utility, > regardless of its legal classification. > > https://buffalonews.com/opinion/another-voice-what-the-pandemic-teaches-us-about-net-neutrality/article_2d18f3dc-0e08-11eb-a138-9b87b722a892.html When Ajit Pai was spinning his "restore internet freedoms" campaign I complained to the FTC about Pai and the FCC for misleading consumers. The FTC closed the complaint without giving me a reason. It seems the FTC was not really interested in protecting consumers from one of its own. Jeff ------------------------------ ********************************************* End of telecom Digest Sat, 17 Oct 2020