---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <pkj05e$8hm$1@dont-email.me> Date: 9 Aug 2018 22:18:07 -0500 From: "Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> Subject: Re: New Jersey gets new area code On 8/6/2018 12:25 PM, HAncock4 wrote: > Fast forward to today, it seems most callers have cell phones which > require ten digit dialing and also have speed call, so the ten digit > dialing is not a burden. My cell phones don't require 10 digit dialing. Same with my VoIP, though I have no way to know what happens once the dialing gets on the other side of the VoIP server. But we don't have overlays. I believe whether 10 are required or not depends on your state's PUC. If there are overlays, there will be a lot of political pressure (from the "new" LEC) to require 10 for all calls so they won't be at a disadvantage. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <pkj0ss$djb$1@dont-email.me> Date: 9 Aug 2018 22:30:37 -0500 From: "Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> Subject: Re: Backup Power for Cox [or other] ISP On 8/7/2018 9:43 AM, Doug McIntyre wrote: > > ***** Moderator's Note ***** > > As has been pointed out in the past, "UPS" devices are *NOT* intended > to provide power for any longer than it takes to shut the computer > down gracefully, i.e., without losing data. Anything longer than a few > minutes requires a power source, such as a generator, that can run > indefinitely. Some years ago, I was helping a store in an area where summer outages were common. We had to keep a Wyse terminal with a cash drawer and a 386 server running even if the lights went out. I consulted with somebody at APC, and they agreed that if I massively overrated the UPS (don't remember by how much now, the load was maybe 200VA and the unit wasn't huge, maybe 1500-2000VA) it should keep the essentials going for a couple of hours. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <478d973c-2da6-4af9-a109-9fc5e7e9ff8c@googlegroups.com> Date: 8 Aug 2018 11:27:40 -0700 From: HAncock4 <withheld@invalid.telecom-digest.org> Subject: Re: New Jersey gets new area code On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 11:58:15 AM UTC-4, David wrote: > The only "pain" of an overlay is 10D dialing. I don't know where to find > a cellphone using Millennial who knows how to dial 7D. > > ***** Moderator's Note ***** > > I do! I DO!! I even know how to dial 5D! > > Oh, wait a minute ... > > Sorry, wrong millennium. Here's an article about Eugene going to five digit dialing: https://books.google.com/books?id=xGxXAAAAIBAJ&lpg=PA1&dq=eugene%20five%20digit%20dialing&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q=eugene%20five%20digit%20dialing&f=false (right side. see also Bell ad bottom right next page). However, the five digit dialing didn't last long. A few years later, they went to seven digit dialing: https://books.google.com/books?id=nw5WAAAAIBAJ&lpg=PA14&dq=eugene%20five%20digit%20dialing&pg=PA14#v=onepage&q=eugene%20five%20digit%20dialing&f=false In Spokane, they also had to change from five to six digit dialing, as described here: https://books.google.com/books?id=KtpXAAAAIBAJ&lpg=PA59&dq=spokane%20five%20digit%20dialing&pg=PA59#v=onepage&q=spokane%20five%20digit%20dialing&f=false ------------------------------ Message-ID: <BYAPR13MB2232349D9B0CD9E4BA7A836D91240@BYAPR13MB2232.namprd13.prod.outlook.com> Date: 10 Aug 2018 01:24:09 +0000 From: "Naveen Albert" <wirelessaction@outlook.com> Subject: Re: New Jersey gets new area code For Mark Kaminsky: You brought up the best point of all. We can argue about overlays and splits all night it seems. I will always favor splits over overlays, because 10-digit dialing is a PERMANENT burden whereas an area code change, which does not even affect you, is a TEMPORARY burden, but others have other preferences. But preventing NPAs from running out of number pools to begin with is preventative, and better yet. If the U.S. was smarter about how numbers were allocated, we could prevent this from happening. Maybe even going from allocating by 1000 to 100, to save even more numbers. This will reduce the need that the difficult question will ever even have to be raised. ________________________________ From: telecom-request@telecom-digest.org <telecom-request@telecom-digest.org> on behalf of Mark Kaminsky <kaminsky-remove-this@kaminsky.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 4:38 PM To: Telecom Digest <telecomdigestsubmissions@remove-this.telecom-digest.org> Subject: Re: New Jersey gets new area code > Message-ID: <pk4ouk$2qvo$1@gal.iecc.com> > Date: 4 Aug 2018 17:49:08 -0000 > From: "John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> > Subject: Re: New Jersey gets new area code > > In article > <BYAPR13MB2232E03E70209E69832FBE9591230@BYAPR13MB2232.namprd13.prod.outlook.c om>, > Naveen Albert <wirelessaction@outlook.com> wrote: > > > Why not split area codes instead of overlay them? Everyone can keep > their number ... > > Except they don't. When your number moved from 414 into 262 everyone > in the new 262 area had to tell all their friends outside the 262 area > that their numbers had changed. There may be a few people who still > never call anyone outside their home town, but for everyone else, it's > a significant pain. With overlays, nobody's number changes. > > Geographically, area codes fail to have meaning if they are overlaid ... > > Uh, since the boundaries haven't changed, they mean exactly what they > meant all along. The meaning of 212 didn't change when they overlaid > 626 on it. It's still Manhattan. I was at the California PUC meeting to discuss the 415-650 split (many years ago). Stanford University pointed out that their catalogs were in high school libraries around the country, and were often not refreshed for many years. At least one security contractor said that he would have to go out to every single property (and he had thousands) and re-program every dial-out device. PUC did the split anyway, promising us at least ten years of stability (big deal!). Two years later, they were back to request another split. I went to that meeting, and after hearing their arguments, I told them that even though the many competing phone companies did not want to tell the public how many lines they needed, the PUC had a right to that information, and all those companies who needed less than ten lines in an office could split a single block of 10,000 lines rather than giving them 10,000 lines each. They cancelled the split, and we have not heard anything about another split or overlay for 650 since. Mark Kaminsky ------------------------------ Message-ID: <BYAPR13MB2232B81BEC622BB653EE437091260@BYAPR13MB2232.namprd13.prod.outlook.com> Date: 8 Aug 2018 23:19:55 +0000 From: "Naveen Albert" <wirelessaction@outlook.com> Subject: Re: Subject: Re: New Jersey gets new area code For Neil McLain: Is there to find out what NPAs are "at risk" for overlays? In particular, I am interested in the status of 406. ________________________________ From: telecom-request@telecom-digest.org <telecom-request@telecom-digest.org> on behalf of Neal McLain <nmclain.remove-this@and-this-too.annsgarden.com> Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 2:12 PM To: Telecom Digest <telecomdigestsubmissions@remove-this.telecom-digest.org> Subject: Subject: Re: New Jersey gets new area code Naveen Albert wrote: > Date: 3 Aug 2018 17:41:28 +0000 > From: "Naveen Albert" <wirelessaction@outlook.com> > Subject: Re: New Jersey gets new area code > > Hancock4 wrote: > > excerpt from NJ.COM: > > > > The new area code, 640, will overlay the current 609 area code > > territory in the central and southeastern parts of the state from > > Cape May to Trenton. > Why do telcos insist on doing overlays? They sound like such a > pain. They are contrary to everything the Bell System desired in > the PSTN. Telcos don't make the split-vs.-overlay decisions; the state regu- latory agency does. In the case of Wisconsin that's the Public Service Commission. https://psc.wi.gov/Pages/Home.aspx > I am fortunate enough to live in the 262 area code, which was a > split from 414 about 25 or so years ago. If you look in the old > phone books, the older prefixes, such as (262) 542-xxxx were once > (414) 542-xxxx. The numbers themselves did not change, only the area > code, so there was absolutely no impact when the 262 area code since > the area code you are in generally does not matter to you. It matters a lot if you're a business with customers outside of your local area. I attended the public hearing when the PSC was considering the overlay-v.-split question for 920. One participant, owner of a personnel-recruitment firm ("headhunter") for the hospitality industry was concerned that a split would change the area code of his company, resulting in possible loss of customers. Another participant, the board chairman of the Town of Oconomowoc, was concerned that the proposed split line would split the town. Although I didn't attend the public hearing, the entire argument played out again when the 414-262 split was considered. That split essentially reduced the size of 414 to Milwaukee county. If 414 ever needs relief I predict that it will be an overlay, not another split. Here is a link to an article I wrote about the 414-262 split: http://www.sbe24.org/archives/newsletters/ltrs1999/apr99.pdf The same argument continues to this day. Here is a link to an article about the overlay-v.-split question for 715 and 920. http://www.sbe24.org/archives/newsletters/ltrs2009/jan09.pdf The overlay on 715 (534) has been implemented. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_codes_715_and_534 Apparently the overlay on 920 (274) is still pending. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_code_274 Neal McLain Brazoria, Texas ------------------------------ ********************************************* End of telecom Digest Mon, 13 Aug 2018