---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <20170520223457.11547.qmail@ary.lan> Date: 20 May 2017 22:34:57 -0000 From: "John Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> Subject: Re: Robotexting Law Violates Free Speech Rights, Facebook Says In article <barmar-911BB5.11300019052017@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu> you write: >In article <BDA50E86-1C01-4B47-BA8C-00409AD55652@roscom.com>, > Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> wrote: > >> Robotexting Law Violates Free Speech Rights, Facebook Says >> >> by Wendy Davis >> >> A law that prohibits companies from sending robotexts to users without >> their consent violates Facebook's free speech rights, the company says >> in new court papers. >> >> The Telephone Consumer Protection Act "runs headlong into the First >> Amendment," Facebook says in a petition asking the 9th Circuit Court >> of Appeals to immediately review a trial judge's refusal to dismiss a >> lawsuit accusing the company of violating the law. >> >> >> https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/300885/robotexting-law-violates-free-speech-rights-faceb.html > >Wasn't it established long ago that advertising can be restricted to >some extent? Yes, there is specific case law, Joffe vs. Acacia Mortgage. http://caselaw.findlaw.com/az-court-of-appeals/1469943.html Text messages are covered for the same reason that faxes and incoming mobile phone calls are, they're not just annoying but they often cost the recipient actual money. Some people have unlimited text bundles, but a lot of us don't. R's, John ------------------------------ Message-ID: <l-6dnR_L8LzTWr3EnZ2dnUU7-VnNnZ2d@giganews.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 18:46:37 -0400 From: Retired <Retired@home.com> Subject: Re: Robotexting Law Violates Free Speech Rights, Facebook Says On 5/19/17 2:20 PM, Stephen wrote: > On Mon, 15 May 2017 18:03:57 -0400, Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> > wrote: > >> Robotexting Law Violates Free Speech Rights, Facebook Says >> >> by Wendy Davis >> >> A law that prohibits companies from sending robotexts to users >> without their consent violates Facebook's free speech rights, the >> company says in new court papers. > > I thought such rights applied to persons, not limited liability > companies? > > -- > Stephen Hope stephen_hope@xyzworld.com > Replace xyz with ntl to reply Ever heard of the "Citizens United" SCOTUS decision ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC ------------------------------ Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1705191343580.2681@panix5.panix.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 13:44:28 -0400 From: danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> Subject: Cellular phone spying ain't just for National Security [Detroit News] Feds use anti-terror tool to hunt the undocumented Federal investigators are using a cellphone snooping device designed for counter-terrorism to hunt undocumented immigrants amid President Donald Trump's immigration crackdown, according to federal court records obtained by The Detroit News. An unsealed federal search warrant affidavit obtained by The News is the first public acknowledgment that agents are using secret devices that masquerade as a cell tower to find people who entered the U.S. illegally, privacy and civil liberty experts said. ===== rest: http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2017/05/18/cell-snooping-fbi-immigrant/101859616/ _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] ------------------------------ Message-ID: <909C2D6A-5582-4D7A-AF84-7F5B71532090@roscom.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 18:08:59 -0400 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> Subject: Sinclair's TV deal would be good for Trump. And his new FCC is clearing the way. Sinclair's TV deal would be good for Trump. And his new FCC is clearing the way. By Margaret Sullivan When French voters resoundingly elected a centrist president rather than a right-leaning antiglobalist this month, one reason may have been the nation's news media. As a French newspaper editor commented: "We don't have a Fox News in France." The United States certainly does have one. Pretty soon, it may have the equivalent of two. Sinclair Broadcast Group has struck a deal with Tribune Media to buy dozens of local TV stations. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/sinclairs-tv-deal-would-be-good-for-trump-and-his-new-fcc-is-clearing-the-way/2017/05/11/66391702-34de-11e7-b4ee-434b6d506b37_story.html ***** Moderator's Note ***** The Washington Post site is badly lagged at my location. I don't know why. Bill Horne Moderator ------------------------------ Message-ID: <c6bde716-8135-46ed-90cf-50c4b82e944d@googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 17:24:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Anonymous <anonymous@invalid.telecom-digest.org> Subject: Re: Robotexting Law Violates Free Speech Rights, Facebook Says On Friday, May 19, 2017 at 12:28:42 AM UTC-4, Monty Solomon wrote: > > A law that prohibits companies from sending robotexts to users > without their consent violates Facebook's free speech rights, the > company says in new court papers. > > The Telephone Consumer Protection Act "runs headlong into the First > Amendment," Facebook says in a petition asking the 9th Circuit Court > of Appeals to immediately review a trial judge's refusal to dismiss > a lawsuit accusing the company of violating the law. > https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/300885/robotexting-law-violates-free-speech-rights-faceb.html Several years ago some congressmen sponsored a bill that would have allowed sales calls to be made to cell phones. Fortunately, it didn't pass. (It was discussed in this newsgroup but I can't find the reference.) Anyway, I'm concerned that in today's pro-business climate such a billl would pass. The barrage of charity, survey, political calls, and illegal sales calls is bad, and downright hurtful to sick people who must keep their phone open for calls to and from healthcare providers or need to sleep during the day. We don't need more of it going to our cell phones. ------------------------------ ********************************************* End of telecom Digest Mon, 22 May 2017