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The Telecom Digest for July 8, 2012
Volume 31 : Issue 166 : "text" Format
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Re: Cold call firms flaunt rules that block telemarketers (John Levine)
Re: Cold call firms flaunt rules that block telemarketers (Pete Cresswell)

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Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 01:26:49 +0000 (UTC) From: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Cold call firms flaunt rules that block telemarketers Message-ID: <jt838p$fp9$1@leila.iecc.com> >Devil's Advocate Question: If the Feds can't nail Heather, what >*can* they do? Gee, she told me her name was Rachel. I've talked to an investigator from the FTC about Rachel From Card Services. They are painfully aware of what's going on but it's a challenge to stop because it's not one entity, it's many who have bought autodialer equipment and a copy of the Rachel recording. It's VoIP so it's pretty much impossible to figure out who's making the call unless they call someone who talks to them long enough to get them to mail something. R's, John ***** Moderator's Note ***** That chain of events started with the FTC calling yours truly, and I suggested that the actual robodialer equipment is probably located at one or more down-at-the-heels CLECs in the U.S. Although the humans who come on line when victims push "1" might be in other nations, it just doesn't make sense to have the robodialers there, since the costs of such infrastructure are much lower in the U.S. And, then, I told them to call John, who is the real expert. ;-) Bill P.S. What is Rachel's game, anyway? Just gathering credit card numbers? Bill Horne Moderator -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 09:27:23 -0400 From: Pete Cresswell <PeteCress@invalid.telecom-digest.org> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Cold call firms flaunt rules that block telemarketers Message-ID: <undgv7hal8vm7c4ugsr53gonkr2lgnm40i@4ax.com> Per Telecom Digest Moderator: >P.S. What is Rachel's game, anyway? Just gathering credit card numbers? No clue here. I actually tried pressing "1" once in hopes of getting enough info to file a useful complaint; but I didn't even get to first base information-wise; the guy caught on almost immediately and hung up. Somewhere (I wish I had saved the URL) I read a post by somebody who said they were an investigator for one of the DNC enforcement agencies. She mentioned special credit cards that her agency used for bait and some other techniques that gave me sort of a warm fuzzy feeling - to the effect that people who actually know something are making meaningful efforts. The implication seemed tb that they press "1" and then follow the chain - supplying the bait info - and then watch for activity and prosecute based on that. That led me to suspect that Rachel, Lisa, Heather and Co. are just harvesting information for sale to others - because if they were using it themselves, they'd have been nailed by now. Either that or this stuff is coming from waaaay offshore - i.e. places where there is no legal reciprocity/extradition. -- Pete Cresswell
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