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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 01:27:00 -0400 From: tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> To: email@example.com. Subject: Re: Haverhill teen to serve year in jail for fatal texting crash; judge calls for people to keep eyes on road Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> On Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:08:03 -0500, Dave Garland wrote: > On 6/8/2012 7:56 PM, tlvp wrote: >> On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 04:16:00 +0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman wrote: >> >>> Wow. He'll serve a year at the county jail for taking a human life. >>> So that's what deterrence smells like. >> >> He'll be housed, fed, and clothed for a year at county expense. Deterrence, >> you call that? > > Not sure what you're suggesting. A year's slavery and renting him out > naked to work in the mines and live on what scraps he can steal from > the guards? Maybe spending a year in the county jail sounds like fun > to you, but most people would rather avoid it. > > Dave Are you suggesting a year in jail can deter him from doing what he did? will deter others unfamiliar with his case from doing what he did? Seriously? I'm suggesting the outlay of more than a year's full college tuition is nothing but cruel punishment, both of the 17-year-old being incarcerated and, even more unjustly, of the tax-paying public who are footing the bill. I apologize for having been too opaquely curt in my first response. Cheers, -- tlvp -- Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
Date: 10 Jun 2012 15:07:32 -0000 From: "John Levine" <email@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.org. Subject: Re: Haverhill teen to serve year in jail for fatal texting crash; judge calls for people to keep eyes on road Message-ID: <email@example.com> >Are you suggesting a year in jail can deter him from doing what he did? Yes, of course. Are you saying that middle class suburban teens are saying "oh, the worst that will happen is that I'll spend a year in jail"? >will deter others unfamiliar with his case from doing what he did? >Seriously? I don't understand what point you're making here. What's the relative deterrent effect of a one year sentence that others haven't heard of and a 50 year sentence they haven't heard of? I certainly hope that texting teen went to jail shows up in the drivers' ed curriculum. R's, John
Date: 10 Jun 2012 02:06:07 -0300 From: Mike Spencer <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: email@example.com. Subject: Re: Ring voltage measurment question Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> [Quoting at possibly excessive length...] email@example.com (Robert Bonomi) writes: > In article <firstname.lastname@example.org>, > Mike Spencer <email@example.com> wrote: >> firstname.lastname@example.org (Rich Greenberg) wrote: >> >>> Measure ring voltage (an analog multimeter would be best) at the NIJ >>> and at your phones. A significant difference would place the bad >>> connection on your territory. Little or no difference puts it in >>> the telco's lap. >> >> Okay. That gives me a little confidence. >> >> Analog multimeter says that during ringing there'a 18 volts across >> the terminals of the (outside) NIJ and across the terminals of the >> (indoor) block into which the phone is plugged. Sheesh! >> >>Ring is the only problem; none with calling out or sound quality. >> >>Next stop: telco service folks, but armed with a little knowledge. > > Make a couple of additional tests, first. > > 0) first, disconnect -all- phone equipment -- sets, answering > machines, etc. > > 1a) measure the 'not ringing' voltage at both the NIJ and the > internal block. (use "DC volts" setting, try the probes in both > combinations) > > 1b) also , measure the 'not ringing' current flow (use a 'DC 100 > milliamp' setting) through the two wires, both at the NIJ and at > the internal block. > > 2) measure the 'ringing' voltage at both the NIJ and the internal > block. (use "AC volts" setting, try the probes in both > combinations) The telco guy came before I did all that. He measured the ringing & non-ringing voltage as DC! He claimed twenty-mumble years on the job, had never been asked to deal with ring voltage, insisted that the only meaningful measurement was DC voltage. 52 VDC at the demarc (NIJ? Outdoor thingy between my wires and theirs) and at the cabinet 5 miles away. Slightly higher when ringing. Dismissed my measurement of 18 VAC when ringing as not meaningful. He went away content that there was no problem leaving me confused. Happens that phones rang as they should when he was here. That's all contrary to what y'all have told me here (measure AC ring voltage at, should be 40V to 90V). Did I draw a complete dummy tech? It's not as if a 20+ year guy has never seen a 2500 set or a phone that has a "real" ringer. There are folks here with old rotary-dial sets. Oh, well, I'll follow your directions, Robert, and file results for future reference. Grumble...mutter... Tnx, -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 06:09:22 -0400 From: Bill Horne <bill@horneQRM.net> To: email@example.com. Subject: Re: Ring voltage measurment question Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> On 6/10/2012 1:06 AM, Mike Spencer wrote: > The telco guy ... measured the ringing & non-ringing voltage as DC! > He claimed twenty-mumble years on the job, had never been asked to > deal with ring voltage, insisted that the only meaningful > measurement was DC voltage. 52 VDC at the demarc (NIJ? Outdoor > thingy between my wires and theirs) and at the cabinet 5 miles > away. Slightly higher when ringing. Dismissed my measurement of 18 > VAC when ringing as not meaningful. He went away content that there > was no problem leaving me confused. Happens that phones rang as they > should when he was here. Mike, I suggest you follow these steps: 1. Borrow a "Genuine Bell Canada" phone, and plug it in at the demarc. Don't use your own phone: you need a "Known Good" instrument for this test. If the problem persists, it's their trouble. If not, it's yours. ("Genuine Bell" is important: phones from other manufacturers often have non-standard ringers that the techs won't trust. When you can point to a label that shows it is/was their instrument, they'll be less likely to blame the phone.) 2. If the test shows a problem in the telco network, I suggest you A. Send a letter to the Nova Scotia PSC, and ask any neighbors who have had the same problem to co-sign it: Public Service Commission 1800 Argyle Street, 5th Floor PO Box 943 Halifax, Nova Scotia B3J 2V9 B. Contact your MP, and complain at length about poor service. It's important to use longhand when you write, because politicians place great weight on hand-written letters. HTH. Bill -- Bill Horne (Remove QRM from my address to write to me directly)
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