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The Telecom Digest for January 17, 2011
Volume 30 : Issue 16 : "text" Format

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Pennsylvania 814/582 Forthcoming Area Code Relief(Mark J. Cuccia)
Israel Tests on Worm Called Crucial in Iran Nuclear Delay(Monty Solomon)
Can Your Camera Phone Turn You Into a Pirate?(Monty Solomon)
Wireless, but Leashed(Monty Solomon)
Re: My Taxes? I Filed by Phone(Thad Floryan)
Re: Very interesting product(Rob Warnock)
Pay phone unplugged after costing Davison County $69 per call (John Mayson)
Re: Pay phone unplugged after costing Davison County $69 per call (Adam H. Kerman)
Re: Can Your Camera Phone Turn You Into a Pirate?(John Mayson)
Re: With Verizon on the Horizon, iPhone Users Weigh Leaving AT&T - but there's a Catch (Bob Goudreau)

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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:08:05 -0800 (PST) From: "Mark J. Cuccia" <markjcuccia@yahoo.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Pennsylvania 814/582 Forthcoming Area Code Relief Message-ID: <312688.27609.qm@web31101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Pennsylvania 814/582 Forthcoming Area Code Relief The 814 area code in Pennsylvania covers the northwestern corner of Pennsylvania including the Erie PA Metro area (legacy VeriZon/GTE), and makes a "quarter turn" around the outside of the southwestern corner of Pennsylvania (the Pittsburgh PA Metro area which is 412 and 724, and overlaid with 878 since 2001 even though there aren't yet any POTS 878-NXX codes assigned), meeting the PA/MD state-line east of the southwest corner/Pittsburgh metro area. 814 has covered the same geographic area since the US/Canada area code format was finalized in October 1947 - it has never been split before. There MIGHT have been "slight" boundary changes in years past, but I'm not aware of, i.e, it's always "possible" that a single ratecenter (or maybe two or three) have changed to/from 814 from/to an adjacent area code, but for the most part the boundaries of 814 are basically the same as they were since 1947. The eastern/southern parts of 814 (Altoona PA and State College PA) are VeriZon/Bell-of-Pennsylvania, and the northwestern parts (Erie PA) are mostly VeriZon/GTE, with some VeriZon/Bell-of-Pennsylvania. But both sides also contain other independent telcos, including: - Frontier - CenturyLink-old-Embarq/Sprint/United - Windstream-old-Alltel/Mid-Continent Tel - other one-time GTE and GTE-once-Contel areas which are all now part of VeriZon (Pennsylvania is one state where VeriZon has NOT sold-off any legacy GTE and Contel, retaining it all under the VeriZon name) - Armstrong Tel - etc. In 2009, NeuStar-NANPA, on behalf of the telco industry, submitted a petition to the PA-PUC for an additional area code for "relief" of the 814 area code region. Relief planning for 814 had actually begun by NANPA and the telco industry going back to 2002. The industry's first-choice was for an overlay. HOWEVER, on Thursday 16-December-2010, the PA-PUC announced that they had decided 5-0 (unanimously) for a SPLIT of 814, where the Erie PA (northwestern side) would CHANGE-and-SPLIT to the "new" (TBD) area code, while the eastern/southern parts of 814 (State College PA and Altoona PA) would retain the 814 area code. A Press Release was issued by the PA=PUC: "PUC Approves Splitting 814 Area Code to Avoid Running Out of Phone Numbers" http://www.puc.state.pa.us/General/press_releases/Press_Releases.aspx?ShowPR=2675 On Tuesday 21-December-2010, the PA-PUC announced the NANPA-assigned new area code as 582 (which for some years has been the "guessed-at" code). A Press Release was issued by the PUC: "582 Named as New Area Code for Portions of 814 Changing in 2012" http://www.puc.state.pa.us/General/press_releases/Press_Releases.aspx?ShowUtil=TP The PUC would like to see 582 split from 814 permissive on 01-Feb-2012 (a little over a year from now), with a six-month permissive dialing period until mandatory dialing of 582 would kick in for calls to the northern and western parts (Erie PA/etc) of the previously existing 814 area code region. (Some news/media/press reports mentioned that the 582 code might become mandatory a year later on 01-Feb-2013). Almost immediately, the business/government/etc. customers in the Erie PA metro area (and residential customers too) began to raise an uproar, stating that since the Erie PA area is more populated than the rest of the existing 814 region, that "they" (Erie PA and the northern and western regions of existing 814) should retain the 814 area code. However, MOST of those complaining are NOT seeking to "flip" the sides of the split (i.e., where Erie would retain 814, with the "other" side of Altoona and State College splitting-off-and-changing to the new 582 area code). Instead, those businesses/etc. in the Erie/etc. area who are upset by the PA=PUC's December 2010 split decision, would rather that the PA-PUC put in an OVERLAY of 582 over (all of) 814, even though this does mean mandatory ten-digit dialing throughout the entire 814/582 region. The PA-PUC tried to justify their split decision by stating that the public hearings in early 2010 held in the Erie PA area were sparsely attended. However, the originally scheduled hearings in Erie were to have been in February 2010, and had to be postponed to April 2010 due to extreme weather conditions in February. During the second half of December 2010, several grass-roots petitions to the PA-PUC were drafted by the Erie business and government "community", most of them to have the PUC change the pending split to an OVERLAY, although a few requested that the pending split be "flipped around". In early January 2011, various news/press/media stories on radio/TV/ newspaper websites indicated that the PA-PUC had received at least 10 petitions requesting that the pending split be changed (in some way). VeriZon and AT&T are both leading an industry effort (probably with support from the various above mentioned independent landline telcos, larger CLECs, and probably also Sprint and T-Mobile) to have the pending split changed to an OVERLAY. Yesterday, Thursday 13-January-2011, the PA-PUC acknowledged that there have been approximately 40 petitions requesting a change in the pending split, and the PUC is going to re-consider, after further public hearings and "technical conferences". A PUC Press Release has been issued: "PUC Agrees to Further Review Decision in 814 Area Code Relief Case, Plans Additional Public Hearings, Technical Conferences" http://www.puc.state.pa.us/General/press_releases/Press_Releases.aspx?ShowPR=2696 Also see another PUC document issued for more info: http://www.puc.state.pa.us/pcdocs/1118403.pdf Note that the other three original (1947) area codes have been split since 1994/95 and through 1998: - 215 had 610 split off in 1994/95. - 412 had 724 split off in 1998. (it WAS to have been a 1997 overlay) - 717 had 570 split off in 1998/99. Since then, ALL area code relief in Pennsylvania has been overlay: - 215 overlaid with 267, and 610 overlaid with 484, both in 1999. - Both 215/267 and 610/484 were to have been overlaid again in early 2001, 215/267 with 445 and 610/484 with 835, but these further overlays were postponed until further notice. - 412 and 724 were overlaid with 878 in Summer 2001, but so far, even though ten-digit dialing in mandatory throughout 412 and 724, there are still no 878-NXX "POTS" c.o.codes yet (but it's POSSIBLE that the first 878-NXX code might be assigned sometime in 2011 or 2012). - and this past Summer 2010, the PA-PUC approved a 570/272 overlay, but the implementation date is still TBD. - 717 is also undergoing relief planning, and it is LIKELY that it will be overlaid, but the PA-PUC hasn't approved anything yet. The "guessed at" relief code is 223. Also, most of the states which border Pennsylvania have overlays, and with one exception (New York State), those bordering "overlay states" have an actual overlay bordering Pennsylvania: - Ohio has overlays, and 330/234 borders Pennsylvania. - ALL of West Virginia is 304 overlaid with 681, borders Pennsylvania. - BOTH Maryland overlay regions: 301/240/(future 227) and 410/443/(future 667) border Pennsylvania. - New Jersey has overlays, and 973/872 borders Pennsylvania. New York State borders Pennsylvania, but its only current overlay region, for New York City -- 212/646, 718/347/929, /917 -- is NOT adjacent to Pennsylvania. Delaware also borders Pennsylvania, but it is still just a single area code, 302. However, it is likely that whenever DE/302 does need relief it will be an overlay. Other recent new area code overlays were originally ordered as splits by their respective state regulatory bodies, even though the telco industry initially requested an overlay. Either the telco industry or the general public eventually convinced the regulatory body to change to the telco industry's originally preferred overlay: West Virginia 304/681 was ordered as a split in early 1998, but after grass-roots efforts, the WV-PSC then changed it to an overlay, which took effect in 2009. Utah (Salt Lake City Metro) 801/385 was ordered as a split in 2000, to become effective in 2000/01, postponed several times with new announced implementation dates, postponed "indefinitely" in 2004. In 2007, the telco industry requested that the UT-PSC change it to an overlay, which was approved, effective in 2009. California also had two overlays recently, but both were originally ordered by the CA-PUC as splits. In 1999, the CA-PUC ordered a split of 818 in the area north of the Hollywood Hills in Los Angeles, including the San Fernando Valley area. The southwestern part of 818 would have split-and-changed to the new 747 area code, with 818 retained by everything else. No formal implementation dates were announced at the time in 1999. By 2008, the telco industry re-petitioned the CA-PUC, to approve of firm/official implementation dates, and also to change the pending split to an overlay. The overlay took effect in 2009. Also in 1999, the CA-PUC ordered a split of 760 in eastern/southern California, where the immediate suburbs of San Diego Metro would split off and change to the new 442 area code during 2000, and 760 would be retained by the remainder such as Palm Springs CA (legacy GTE/CW&T) and Victorville CA (legacy Contel). Most of the area retaining 760 would have been VeriZon (both GTE and GTE-once-Contel) with some Pacific*Bell and some other independent telcos, while the 442 area code would have been all Pacific*Bell for landline service. This split was put on hold before being implemented in 2000. In 2007, the telco industry re-petitioned the CA-PUC to approve an OVERLAY of 760 with 442, but in Spring 2008, the PUC ordered a split (roughly along the same boundary as the previously ordered 2000 split), to be effective in Fall 2008 permissive, Spring 2009 mandatory. Businesses and local/state/federal government agencies (including the US Navy) in the San Diego metro area, as well as individuals residential customers started a grass-roots petition effort to have the split changed to an overlay, which was eventually approved by the PUC in October 2008. The overlay took effect a year later in October 2009. The only other pending split has been the Kentucky 270/364 split, approved initially by the KY-PSC in late Spring 2007. However, the implementation dates were subsequently delayed numerous times by the KY-PSC every time NANPA came out with new/revised area code "exhaust" projections. Eventually, the KY-PSC ordered the split to be on hold "indefinitely", but more recently the PSC ordered the split completely canceled. When 270 does eventually need relief as determined by a future NANPA exhaust projection, the telco industry is to start 270 area code relief planning over again, from "scratch", which SEEMS to indicate that the KY-PSC MIGHT at that time be more "overlay friendly". The last actual NPA split in Canada was the Alberta 403/780 split in early 1999, where 403 was retained by the southern "third" of the Province (Calgary/etc), and 780 was the new "split" code for the central "third" (Edmonton/etc., Edmonton being the Province Capital) and northern "third". In 2008, the entire Province of Alberta, both 403 and 780, was overlaid with the new 587 area code. The last actual NPA split in the US was the New Mexico split in 2007/08. 505 was retained by the northwestern and central (Albuquerque/etc) parts of the state, with 575 splitting off for the rest of the state. The NM-PRC thought that the public would have preferred a split, but after the split was in progress during permissive, and since it has gone "mandatory", there has been a "buyers' remorse" -- the NM-PRC and the NM business/etc. community now realizes that the overlay would have been much better. EVERYTHING ELSE in recent years has been OVERLAYS in both the US and Canada. And Puerto Rico (which is a US possession) implemented the 787/939 overlay in 2001. The Dominican Republic in the (non-US) NANP-Caribbean has implemented TWO overlays -- 809/829 in 2005, and then 809/829/849 in 2009. Jamaica is the next (non-US) NANP-Caribbean location which might soon need relief in the next couple of years. 876 is filling up, and a new code has been reserved. The "guess" is for 658. There has been NO decision yet by the Jamaican OUR (Office of Utility Regulation) as to whether it will be an 876/658 split or overlay, but I tend to think that the Jamaican OUR will likely approve an overlay. With all of this recent overlay activity, especially splits which were originally planned for which were changed to overlays, HOPEFULLY the PA-PUC will reconsider the pending 814/582 split and instead order a full services 814/582 overlay, although there might even be further number/code conservation measures put into effect first. Mark J. Cuccia markjcuccia at yahoo dot com Lafayette LA, formerly of New Orleans LA pre-Katrina
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:54:10 -0500 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Israel Tests on Worm Called Crucial in Iran Nuclear Delay Message-ID: <p06240842c9581bf154fa@[]> Israel Tests on Worm Called Crucial in Iran Nuclear Delay By WILLIAM J. BROAD, JOHN MARKOFF and DAVID E. SANGER January 15, 2011 This article is by William J. Broad, John Markoff and David E. Sanger. The Dimona complex in the Negev desert is famous as the heavily guarded heart of Israel's never-acknowledged nuclear arms program, where neat rows of factories make atomic fuel for the arsenal. Over the past two years, according to intelligence and military experts familiar with its operations, Dimona has taken on a new, equally secret role - as a critical testing ground in a joint American and Israeli effort to undermine Iran's efforts to make a bomb of its own. Behind Dimona's barbed wire, the experts say, Israel has spun nuclear centrifuges virtually identical to Iran's at Natanz, where Iranian scientists are struggling to enrich uranium. They say Dimona tested the effectiveness of the Stuxnet computer worm, a destructive program that appears to have wiped out roughly a fifth of Iran's nuclear centrifuges and helped delay, though not destroy, Tehran's ability to make its first nuclear arms. "To check out the worm, you have to know the machines," said an American expert on nuclear intelligence. "The reason the worm has been effective is that the Israelis tried it out." Though American and Israeli officials refuse to talk publicly about what goes on at Dimona, the operations there, as well as related efforts in the United States, are among the newest and strongest clues suggesting that the virus was designed as an American-Israeli project to sabotage the Iranian program. In recent days, the retiring chief of Israel's Mossad intelligence agency, Meir Dagan, and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton separately announced that they believed Iran's efforts had been set back by several years. Mrs. Clinton cited American-led sanctions, which have hurt Iran's ability to buy components and do business around the world. The gruff Mr. Dagan, whose organization has been accused by Iran of being behind the deaths of several Iranian scientists, told the Israeli Knesset in recent days that Iran had run into technological difficulties that could delay a bomb until 2015. That represented a sharp reversal from Israel's long-held argument that Iran was on the cusp of success. The biggest single factor in putting time on the nuclear clock appears to be Stuxnet, the most sophisticated cyberweapon ever deployed. ... http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/world/middleeast/16stuxnet.html
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:58:03 -0500 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Can Your Camera Phone Turn You Into a Pirate? Message-ID: <p06240843c9581ccc8857@[]> Can Your Camera Phone Turn You Into a Pirate? By NICK BILTON January 15, 2011 MY wife and I sat cross-legged on the floor of a local Barnes & Noble store recently, surrounded by several large piles of books. We were searching for interior design ideas for a new home that we are planning to buy. As we lobbed the books back and forth, sharing kitchen layouts and hardwood floor textures, we snapped a dozen pictures of book pages with our iPhones. We wanted to share them later with our contractor. After a couple of hours of this, we placed the books back on the shelf and went home, without buying a thing. But the digital images came home with us in our smartphones. Later that evening, I felt a few pangs of guilt. I asked my wife: Did we do anything wrong? And, I wondered, had we broken any laws by photographing those pages? It's not as if we had destroyed anything: We didn't rip out any pages. But if we had wheeled a copier machine into the store, you can be sure the management would have soon wheeled us and the machine out of there. But our smartphones really functioned as hand-held copiers. Did we indeed go too far? ... http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/business/16ping.html
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 23:07:56 -0500 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Wireless, but Leashed Message-ID: <p06240845c9581f6c25ed@[]> Wireless, but Leashed By JOSHUA BRUSTEIN January 15, 2011 Americans were liberated from AT&T last week. The news that Apple was ending its exclusive relationship with AT&T and would begin selling the iPhone 4 on Verizon's network in the United States was not a surprise, but the excitement was palpable nonetheless. "Freedom!" bellowed Jon Stewart on "The Daily Show," in a segment in which people described their relationship to AT&T as that of slaves to their masters, subjects to their tyrants. Given the dissatisfaction with AT&T, it is easy to look at other parts of the world and wonder why this didn't happen sooner. After all, the iPhone is available on multiple carriers in many European markets. France even has a law that would have made AT&T's exclusive agreement with Apple illegal. Almost half of mobile phone customers in the largest European countries do not have contracts with wireless carriers, and can switch phones from one network to another with ease. The continent's system is looser in part because Europe settled on a single technological standard for wireless carriers 20 years ago. Countries there wanted to ensure that their citizens' phones would work as they traveled throughout the Continent. No such agreement was reached in the United States, which had recently deregulated its telephone industry, and carriers built their networks on separate technologies. ... http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/weekinreview/16brustein.html
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 21:54:23 -0800 From: Thad Floryan <thad@thadlabs.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: My Taxes? I Filed by Phone Message-ID: <4D32880F.7050803@thadlabs.com> On 1/14/2011 4:38 PM, Monty Solomon wrote: > My Taxes? I Filed by Phone > > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/15/technology/personaltech/15phone.html > > By VERNE G. KOPYTOFF > January 14, 2011 > [...] > The app is intended for consumers who are increasingly using their > mobile phones for everything, including shopping and banking online. > Taxes are just the next step, although it may take some getting used > to for people who are accustomed to preparing their returns with a > pencil and calculator or on a desktop computer. Is it just me or does the above seem idiotic to others, too? Where are the copies of everything in case there's a problem with an order or with a banking transaction or the tax filing? I'm not a Luddite: http://thadlabs.com/PIX/Thad_desk.jpg. For my online banking, every screen is saved as a "Printed" PDF for reference. For online shopping, I collect even more info. To show you what I mean as an example, here's a ls showing the PDF screenshots and email resulting from a recent transaction with NewEgg buying 4GB RAM to upgrade one of my systems: REGULUS bash 1/3900> pwd /cygdrive/c/Users/thad/Desktop/ORDERS/2010.12.13_NewEgg REGULUS bash 1/3900> ls -1 00_Mushkin_RAM.pdf 01_shopping_cart.pdf 02_shipping+payment_options.pdf 03_verify_order.pdf 04_verified_by_Visa.pdf 05_order_confirmation.pdf 06_confirmation_print_page.pdf 0WHERE_Mushkin.txt Mushkin_996756_4GB_DDR2.pdf Newegg.com - DHL Tracking.eml Newegg.com - Invoice.eml Newegg.com - Order Confirmation.eml Newegg.com - Payment Charged.eml TRAK_1.pdf TRAK_2.pdf TRAK_3.pdf TRAK_4_delivered.pdf tracking_number_DHL_GlobalMail.txt REGULUS bash 1/3900> How would anyone even be able to save any of that information using a smartphone? I'd really like to know. Or do "smartphone" users simply not care?
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 23:03:27 -0600 From: rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Very interesting product Message-ID: <VOGdnQAuQriC4a_QnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> John Mayson <john@mayson.us> wrote: +--------------- | tlvp <tPlOvUpBErLeLsEs@hotmail.com> wrote: | > In either case they will work "at all" because the connection will | > fall back to an EDGE -- or even a GPRS -- connection. GPRS is a hair | > faster than old 56 Kb/s dial-up was; EDGE is a hair faster than slowest | > available DSL (768 Kb/s). Full-speed HSDPA connections can easily exceed | > 3 Mb/s DSL speeds, depending on the carrier and your equipment. | | AT&T = 3G | T-Mobile = EDGE +--------------- Actually, AT&T still supports EDGE (and EDGE-2, and GPRS) even in places where 3G is fully(?) deployed, e.g., the San Francisco Bay Area. When 3G gets congested, which is often around rush hour, AT&T will push people off to EDGE. You can see this on phones which display a "G" when they're getting 3G service and "E" when they're only getting EDGE. The same is also true of my "Laptop Connect" service, using an old Sierra Wireless AC860 PCMCIA card. Unless I "lock" the card onto 3G [using "AT!BAND=02"], it will bounce me back & forth from HSDPA (3G) to EDGE (2G) without warning... assigning new IP addresses and blowing away my SSH sessions in the process!! -Rob p.s. One of the few annoying things about my "Captivate" [Samsung Galaxy-S tweaked for AT&T] is that it sometimes gets "stuck" in EDGE-only mode, and then never switches back to 3G until the next time I power-cycle it. (*grumpf!*) I don't know if this is a problem with the phone's radio, with the Android-2.1 driver for it, or with AT&T's policies. All I know for sure it's that it's very irritating! +--------------------------------------------------------------+ Rob Warnock <rpw3@rpw3.org> 627 26th Avenue <URL:http://rpw3.org/> San Mateo, CA 94403 (650)572-2607
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 00:41:31 -0600 From: John Mayson <john@mayson.us> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Pay phone unplugged after costing Davison County $69 per call Message-ID: <AANLkTinVz0hEs_Vat=FwFpuFhnqEvt5kYfXNPWK5Xzig@mail.gmail.com> http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/news/state-and-regional/south-dakota/article_2e232f62-20b1-11e0-82e6-001cc4c03286.html MITCHELL, S.D. (AP) - A pay phone in the county courthouse in Mitchell will be unplugged after officials discovered it cost the county $69 per call last year. County Maintenance Supervisor Mark Ruml told the Davison County Commission that he'd never seen anyone use the phone in more than three years and money to pay for it was coming out of his budget. It cost the county $763 a year to have the phone. Ruml said records showed only 11 calls were placed on the phone in 2010. The Daily Republic newspaper said the county commission voted to remove it.
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:35:28 +0000 (UTC) From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Pay phone unplugged after costing Davison County $69 per call Message-ID: <igvdpg$o8d$3@news.albasani.net> John Mayson <john@mayson.us> wrote: >http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/news/state-and-regional/south-dakota/article_2e232f62-20b1-11e0-82e6-001cc4c03286.html >MITCHELL, S.D. (AP) - A pay phone in the county courthouse in Mitchell >will be unplugged after officials discovered it cost the county $69 >per call last year. >County Maintenance Supervisor Mark Ruml told the Davison County >Commission that he'd never seen anyone use the phone in more than >three years and money to pay for it was coming out of his budget. >It cost the county $763 a year to have the phone. Ruml said records >showed only 11 calls were placed on the phone in 2010. >The Daily Republic newspaper said the county commission voted to remove it. Have they ever heard of the concept of competitive bidding? They might have found a payphone services provider willing to place a phone there.
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 13:20:10 -0600 From: John Mayson <john@mayson.us> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Can Your Camera Phone Turn You Into a Pirate? Message-ID: <AANLkTimhmNEvhMvGaaP9sCO+XDB48W-=fD+moYrfSNJB@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> wrote: > > Can Your Camera Phone Turn You Into a Pirate? Something I noticed in Malaysia. Nearly every store has a "no photography" policy and they appear to enforce it. A few times I saw teens posing and someone attempting to take a picture only to have a security guard march over and scold them. I enjoy bookstores but the ones there had every book and magazine shrink wrapped making browsing a little difficult. Up until then I hadn't really given that much thought, but I could see people snapping a few pics rather than buying the book or magazine. John -- John Mayson <john@mayson.us> Austin, Texas, USA
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:37:09 -0500 From: "Bob Goudreau" <BobGoudreau@nc.rr.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: With Verizon on the Horizon, iPhone Users Weigh Leaving AT&T - but there's a Catch Message-ID: <85DF49D5D8A045B8B32D5432506E317F@meng.lab.emc.com> Steve Kosteck <steve@kostecke.net> wrote: > On 2011-01-09, Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> wrote: > >> Most notably, Verizon customers aren't able to surf the Web or >> exchange email while they're talking on their phone. > > I've had no problem using my Droid's browser during a phone > call (on Verizon). I suspect that one of the following explanations applies in your case: 1) You were viewing web pages that were still in the browser cache, and which therefore didn't need to be downloaded during your call. 2) Your phone was using its WiFi radio to access the internet during your call. 3) You have one of the several "world phone" models that Verizon offers, and were connecting on a GSM/HSPA network (not Verizon's CDMA/EVDO network), perhaps in another country. 4) You have one of Verizon's new LTE phones. 4G LTE, unlike 3G EVDO, allows simultaneous voice and data traffic. If you were connecting to the internet via Verizon's standard CDMA/EVDO network, then you could not have simultaneously run a voice call. This is a technological limitation of EVDO, which originally stood for "EVolution, Data Only". Originally, there were also plans on the CDMA technology road map for EVDV (EVolution, Data/Voice). However, network equipment manufacturers, handset manufacturers and network operators never ended up getting EVDV off the ground. Bob Goudreau Cary, NC
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