The Telecom Digest for January 12, 2011
Volume 30 : Issue 11 : "text" Format
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 20:52:54 -0800
From: Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Against Headphones
Message-ID: <iggnn8$fiv$1@news.eternal-september.org>
On 1/9/11 1:29 PM, David Clayton wrote:
.
> As someone who used to frequent live - and very loud - music performances,
> this will just be an addition to that way of damaging hearing that has
> been going on for decades now.
>
> I still recall coming out of my very first loud show and walking straight
> onto a road and almost being cleaned up by a truck - because I couldn't
> hear it coming, or anything much at all for the next couple of days!
>
> The worst thing that happens these days to me is when my mobile phone
> doesn't answer correctly and when I put it to my ear I get blasted with
> the uber-loud ringer - that physically stings as well as deafening that
> ear for a few minutes.
>
How many remember the roar of a SXS SATT room. I still hear very good,
so even all those years did not do much if any damage.
--
The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today?
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 06:03:37 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: More on abandonment of telephone directories
Message-ID: <iggrrp$i6v$1@news.albasani.net>
Matt Simpson <net-news69@jmatt.net> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>List consolidators sell information to other list consolidators and the
>>original source isn't associated with the record. A list with more records,
>>no matter how inaccurate, sells for more than a list with fewer. This
>>mitigates against correction.
>At least in this area, in addition to the "official" printed directory
>produced by the landline company (AT&T in my case), households receive
>several printed directories from other directory publishers. These
>publishers are just interested in the Yellow Pages advertising revenue.
>Presumably their white pages come from the same outdated inaccurate
>lists used by the online directories.
The alternate directories actually have residential listings in the white
pages? The ones I'm familiar with use the same list of business subscribers
for white and yellow pages.
My guess is that these publishers don't include residential listings to
save paper and list acquisition costs. On line lists have distinct sources
for residential and business listings.
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:21:44 -0500
From: Matt Simpson <net-news69@jmatt.net>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: More on abandonment of telephone directories
Message-ID: <net-news69-90CE2A.12214411012011@news.toast.net>
In article <iggrrp$i6v$1@news.albasani.net>,
"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> The alternate directories actually have residential listings in the white
> pages? The ones I'm familiar with use the same list of business subscribers
> for white and yellow pages.
Yes.
I live in a somewhat rural area, served by AT&T, not far from a more
urban area served by Windstream.
ATT distributes a small directory with white pages for my local calling
area and a small yellow pages section. Whole thing is probably less
than 1/4 inch thick.
I get several other directories from various publishers, which include a
residential white pages section thicker than the one in my "official"
ATT directory, and a thick yellow pages section.
The content of the white pages section varies. A couple of the
directories are several inches thick, including all the residential
listings for the Windstream area and some of the rural ATT areas around
it. A couple of others are a little thinner (maybe 1 inch), and include
residential areas for my county and a few other counties outside the
WIndstream area and not within my local calling area.
So yes, I have multiple printed residential directories, with
overlapping subsets of information, and probably varying levels of
inaccuracy. I'm not sure why the alternate directories include the
residential listings, since that obviously generates no revenue. Maybe
it's just to make people more likely to keep and use them.
Obviously a good online system would be far preferable to this
multiply-redundant waste of paper. Unfortunately, as others have
pointed out, the available online systems are frequently less than
adequate.
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:53:01 -0800
From: Richard <rng@richbonnie.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: More on abandonment of telephone directories
Message-ID: <qbgpi6di50b5dp7um9ah68to8tqc0oh8a2@4ax.com>
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 06:03:37 +0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>Matt Simpson <net-news69@jmatt.net> wrote:
>>"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>>>List consolidators sell information to other list consolidators and the
>>>original source isn't associated with the record. A list with more records,
>>>no matter how inaccurate, sells for more than a list with fewer. This
>>>mitigates against correction.
>
>>At least in this area, in addition to the "official" printed directory
>>produced by the landline company (AT&T in my case), households receive
>>several printed directories from other directory publishers. These
>>publishers are just interested in the Yellow Pages advertising revenue.
>>Presumably their white pages come from the same outdated inaccurate
>>lists used by the online directories.
>
>The alternate directories actually have residential listings in the white
>pages? The ones I'm familiar with use the same list of business subscribers
>for white and yellow pages.
I receive 2 alternative directories for my area. Both have white
pages and a special section for government offices. I live in Nevada
on the California border. The alternative directories cover both
sides of the border, whereas AT&T's directory only covers the Nevada
side because thay do not serve the nearby area on the California side.
Each directory has a form to be mailed in if your number is not in the
white pages and you wish to have it listed. This is aimed at people
and small businesses whose only phone is a cell phone or a VoIP
account.
Dick
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 13:35:32 -0600
From: John Mayson <john@mayson.us>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: T-Mobile versus AT&T Mobility 3G questions
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=OLcrxUA2GsbFE2pOsX9vrVmjKdDa9xqSPHXUP@mail.gmail.com>
Some friends and I were discussing unlocked phones and this came up.
I own a quad-band GSM phone that I got through AT&T. I chose a
quad-band phone for when I'm overseas. I get 3G speeds in Malaysia
with it. Just for grins I popped my wife's T-Mobile SIM in and also
got 3G.
My wife's T-Mobile phone is not quad-band. I put in my AT&T SIM and
only had EDGE.
In my mind this makes sense if these things work like I think they
work in the United States. But someone disagreed with me. He said it
was impossible for me to have seen 3G speeds with anything other than
an AT&T SIM. Who is correct?
--
John Mayson <john@mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:07:01 -0600
From: John Mayson <john@mayson.us>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Very interesting product
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=O0ZF3A58iTcF9YwBYqJg5csXSbWAB9D0_eDMM@mail.gmail.com>
Bill, I don't know if this is worthy of the digest. I thought it
would of interest to the gadget geeks here. If it's not
digest-worthy, you know where your delete key is. :-)
Ever since the iPad was introduced I've toyed with the idea of a
tablet. I didn't want yet another contract and monthly bill. I
looked at mostly wifi-only devices. I finally decided on Android and
bought a Huawei Ideos 7" tablet.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Huawei+-+Ideos+7%22+Tablet+S7+-+White/1411106.p?id=1218264013837&skuId=1411106
This is not an endorsement of Best Buy, just where I happened to buy it.
I had a real surprise when I got it home. The box said it was 3G.
But I have only seen it advertised as a wifi-only device. When I
installed the battery I saw the SIM card slot. I inserted a SIM and
discovered I had just purchased an unlocked Android phone the size of
a tablet for just under USD $300. I had 3G speeds and was able to
talk and SMS from the tablet.
I have never seen a new unlocked Android anything anywhere close to this price.
I thought I would flag this in case anyone else is looking for such a
device. It's a sleek device and I really like it. We were discussing
LEDs a few weeks ago and one of my pet peeves is bright and blinking
LEDs. This tablet appears to have none. So it sits on my nightstand
and serves as an alarm clock and bedside radio when I'm not using it
as a tablet.
John
--
John Mayson <john@mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:25:33 -0600
From: John Mayson <john@mayson.us>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Verizon Wireless announces the iPhone Fork
Message-ID: <AANLkTimn_-z3VNNex-8Lw80Sv2nbgSV1NYxkaRSOFFzN@mail.gmail.com>
Yes, that is what I intended to type. As everyone here is well aware,
starting February 2011 the iPhone will be available on the Verizon
Wireless network in the US.
Something from this article
http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/11/technology/verizon_iPhone/index.htm
got me thinking.
"Relying on Verizon's older 3G CDMA network, instead of its fledgling
4G LTE network, means Verizon's iPhone will have a few shortcomings.
Most glaringly: Customers wouldn't be able to chat on the phone and
surf the Web simultaneously, as they can on AT&T's iPhone."
My first question is how different is the iPhone sold in the US from
the iPhone sold in other countries? Maybe this is an issue Apple
already faces, but given that AT&T Mobility and Verizon Wireless use
different and constantly evolving technologies that neither the phones
nor the user experiences will be constant across carriers and there
will always be a slight divergence. There are already rumors
circulating that after six months Apple will be able to offer the
iPhone to T-Mobile and Sprint/Nextel. That would add to the mix.
Today handset manufacturers give their phones slightly different names
depending on the carrier. A good example is the Samsung Galaxy S.
The big four wireless companies carry it under different names. Now
we have two and possibly four different iPhones. I'm curious how
Apple is going to differentiate them.
And on a side topic, I've put on my hip waders to prepare for the
onslaught of ads from T and VZW over who has the better iPhone.
John
--
John Mayson <john@mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 07:34:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Wes Leatherock <wleathus@yahoo.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: More on abandonment of telephone directories
Message-ID: <623185.32243.qm@web111721.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
--- On Mon, 1/10/11, David Kaye <sfdavidkaye2@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Lisa or Jeff <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com>
> wrote:
>
> >One person quoted in the article, a web publisher,
> asserts that people
> >don't want to receive telephone books anymore. I
> don't agree with
> >that.
>
> A distinction should be made between white pages and yellow
> pages. Many
> telcos are abandoning white pages, but yellow pages
> directories continue to
> hold strong everywhere.
>
> In fact, in recent years upstarts have such as Valley
> Yellow Pages in Northern
> California have tried to grab some of that money by
> publishing their own
> directories offset by about 4 months after the local telco
> yp has been
> distributed.
>
> In San Francisco, the current AT&T yp, just released in
> December, had 990
> pages, not including special coupon pages.
There are two additional yellow page directories in the Oklahoma City
area besides the AT&T directory.
> I advertise in several yp books and have had phenomenal
> success with it.
>
> But as for white pages, many telco companies have been
> petitioning their state
> PUCs to allow them to stop publishing them. I don't
> have any disagreement
> with that. I myself haven't looked up anybody in the
> local wp in probably 5
> years.
I have looked up two numbers on separate occasions in the white pages
in the last week.
Wes Leatherock
wleathus@yahoo.com
wesrock@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 13:07:45 -0800
From: Richard <rng@richbonnie.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Against Headphones
Message-ID: <o3hpi6hug0oqtoqlu7olimj6hvie4g5s55@4ax.com>
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:29:06 +1100, David Clayton
<dcstar@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 08 Jan 2011 21:40:47 -0500, Monty Solomon wrote:
>
>>
>> Against Headphones
>>
>> By VIRGINIA HEFFERNAN
>> January 7, 2011
>>
>> One in five teenagers in America can't hear rustles or whispers, according
>> to a study published in August in The Journal of the American Medical
>> Association. These teenagers exhibit what's known as slight hearing loss,
>> which means they often can't make out consonants like T's or K's, or the
>> plinking of raindrops. The word "talk" can sound like "aw." The number of
>> teenagers with hearing loss - from slight to severe - has jumped 33
>> percent since 1994.
>>
>........
>> According
>> to that report, headphone users who listen to music at high volumes for
>> more than an hour a day risk permanent hearing loss after five years.
>>
>> Maybe the danger of digital culture to young people is not that they have
>> hummingbird attention spans but that they are going deaf.
>>
>> ...
>As someone who used to frequent live - and very loud - music performances,
>this will just be an addition to that way of damaging hearing that has
>been going on for decades now.
>
>I still recall coming out of my very first loud show and walking straight
>onto a road and almost being cleaned up by a truck - because I couldn't
>hear it coming, or anything much at all for the next couple of days!
>
>The worst thing that happens these days to me is when my mobile phone
>doesn't answer correctly and when I put it to my ear I get blasted with
>the uber-loud ringer - that physically stings as well as deafening that
>ear for a few minutes.
My cousin played in a rock band during college. He said that he and
his band mates wore earplugs during performances to protect their
hearing. The could still hear enough of the music though the earplugs
to stay synchronized with each other. A pity that their audience
member didn't wear earplugs.
Obtelecom: One of my coworkers at Bell Labs worked on TJ and TM
short-haul microvave radio. Each unit had a DC-to-DC inverter which
operates at 2 kHz, with a loud sound. He developed a hole in his
hearing frequency response at 2 kHz. All other audio frequencies were
OK.
Dick
***** Moderator's Note *****
When I worked at Back Bay in Boston, the 50KW Turbine generator would
start up every week for tests. It was as loud as an aircraft jet
engine - which it was - and my partnet and I refused to work in the
area on those nights.
In a way, we were pioneers: hearing loss wasn't something ordinary
people knew of or worried about in those years. It was only because I
had been in Vietnam, and stationed on a flight line where I had been
trained about the dangers of jet noise, that I was aware we were at
risk.
Bill Horne
Moderator
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:45:46 -0800
From: AES <siegman@stanford.edu>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: iPod Touch on residential LAN?
Message-ID: <siegman-1C34F0.11454511012011@bmedcfsc-srv02.tufts.ad.tufts.edu>
The Mac utility WakeOnLAN doesn't seem to see or display a recent model
iPod Touch (Model MC544LL) connected to our residential LAN, although
the Touch is communicating over this LAN to the Internet, and WakeOnLAN
is seeing and displaying data for several Mac laptops and a networked
printer.
Should it? Suggestions for a better Mac utility for this task?
Note: The modem providing the LAN in our residence is an AirLink 101
from Mimo Technology; no Airport modems are involved (except of course
the Airport cards in our MacBook laptops).
Thanks . . .
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