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The Telecom Digest for December 07, 2010
Volume 29 : Issue 330 : "text" Format

Messages in this Issue:

Re: US may disable all in-car mobile phones(Steven)
Re: US may disable all in-car mobile phones(Steven)
Re: US may disable all in-car mobile phones(Sam Spade)
Re: US may disable all in-car mobile phones(Richard Powderhill)
Re: US may disable all in-car mobile phones(tlvp)
Re: US may disable all in-car mobile phones(John Mayson)
Re: US may disable all in-car mobile phones(David Clayton)
Re: US may disable all in-car mobile phones(Matt Simpson)


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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 20:20:55 -0800 From: Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: US may disable all in-car mobile phones Message-ID: <idhoba$c7d$1@news.eternal-september.org> On 12/5/10 6:44 PM, John Levine wrote: >> Several years ago someone here in Riverside, Ca was talking on their >> Cell Phone and rear ended a van with a whole family, I believe there >> was only one person who survived the accident, that is other then the >> moron who caused it. The Riverside DA charged him with murder; he >> wanted to make a point. The driver was convicted and will be spending >> at least the next 25 years in Prison. > > Indeed. How much lower do you think the number of people talking and > driving is in Riverside now than in the rest of California? > > If threats of dire but unlikely punishment made any difference, a wide > variety of problems wouldn't exist. > > That's why we need to change the mindset, not crank up threats that > people won't think apply to them. > > R's, > John > I'm not sure, but I do know that there are now 30 cases pending on injury accidents and one pending murder case. The local law enforcement has used Federal funds as wel as other monies from crime fines to increase enforcement. On an average day I see at least 2 dozen violations, largest amount seem to be on weekends with the weekend drivers on the road. A couple of weeks ago a woman backed out of parking space at a supermarket and hit me on the side of my truck, very little damage to either vehicle, but she was talking on her phone and was cited because the market owners had given permission to enforce California and local laws. Her fine could be anywhere from $250.00 to $3,000 plus added charges that both the city and courts add. -- The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today? (c) 2010 I Kill Spammers, Inc. A Rot in Hell Co.
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 20:23:56 -0800 From: Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: US may disable all in-car mobile phones Message-ID: <idhogs$c7d$2@news.eternal-september.org> On 12/5/10 7:34 PM, David Clayton wrote: > On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 22:17:55 +0000, John Levine wrote: > ........ >> The problem is that people aren't thinking about the consequences, they >> want to take a call or send a text RIGHT NOW. The trick is adjusting the >> mental wiring so people think I want to take that call so I will PULL OVER >> FIRST. >> > Any reaction to a ringing phone can be dangerous, people immediately > pulling off the road because of an incoming call can also be a big problem > on busy multi-laned roads. > > I don't bother to try to answer calls now when I am driving, I will try > and find a safe place to stop and check my voicemail ASAP but that may > mean waiting 5 or 10 minutes after the call rings out. > > I just refuse to allow a ringing phone to force a Pavlovian response from > me any longer, it will get attended to when I decide not when it > demands. > > It can be tough to fight the brainwashing of always answering a ringing > phone, but it can be done and you feel a lot less stressed once you free > yourself of the compulsion. Having worked for the telephone company for 43 years, I just ignore all phone ringing even at home, anyone every been in a telephone [central office], the phones never stop ringing. -- The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today? (c) 2010 I Kill Spammers, Inc. A Rot in Hell Co.
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 00:00:55 -0800 From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: US may disable all in-car mobile phones Message-ID: <95GdnRGRnbGqBWHRnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d@giganews.com> John Levine wrote: > The problem is that people aren't thinking about the consequences, > they want to take a call or send a text RIGHT NOW. The trick is > adjusting the mental wiring so people think I want to take that call > so I will PULL OVER FIRST. > > R's, > John > That is a fantasy concept.
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:38:44 +0000 From: Richard Powderhill <telmecom@hotmail.co.uk> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: US may disable all in-car mobile phones Message-ID: <BLU103-DS5F8343260B3033D581A93862B0@phx.gbl> John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote: >> Several years ago someone here in Riverside, Ca was talking on >> their Cell Phone and rear ended a van with a whole family, I >> believe there was only one person who survived the accident, that >> is other then the moron who caused it. The Riverside DA charged >> him with murder; he wanted to make a point. The driver was >> convicted and will be spending at least the next 25 years in >> Prison. > > Indeed. How much lower do you think the number of people talking > and driving is in Riverside now than in the rest of California? > > If threats of dire but unlikely punishment made any difference, a > wide variety of problems wouldn't exist. > > That's why we need to change the mindset, not crank up threats that > people won't think apply to them. In the U.K., three points on licence, maybe three month ban if caught. My remedy is SWITCH OFF when driving alone, let `em use voice mail. But usually I have my good lady in the car to answer it, any answer wanted she relays to me I shout the reply, pull in if I have to speak personally. On motorways (turnpike?), no stopping allowed, wait til next service area. Richard Powderhill
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 08:56:30 -0500 From: tlvp <tPlOvUpBErLeLsEs@hotmail.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: US may disable all in-car mobile phones Message-ID: <op.vnao0gi3itl47o@acer250.gateway.2wire.net> On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 21:00:53 -0500, Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com> wrote: > Several years ago someone here in Riverside, Ca was talking on their > Cell Phone and rear ended a van with a whole family, I believe there was > only one person who survived the accident, that is other then the moron > who caused it. The Riverside DA charged him with murder; he wanted to > make a point. The driver was convicted and will be spending at least the > next 25 years in Prison. ... Great! So Riverside, CA, gets to provide room and board and custodial care for this "moron" for "at least the next 25 years" ... at whose expense, may I ask? [Moderator snip] Cheers, -- tlvp -- Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:07:36 -0600 (Central Standard Time) From: John Mayson <john@mayson.us> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: US may disable all in-car mobile phones Message-ID: <alpine.WNT.2.00.1012061004460.2812@AURM106297.americas.ad.flextronics.com> On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, tlvp wrote: > Great! So Riverside, CA, gets to provide room and board and custodial care > for > this "moron" for "at least the next 25 years" ... at whose expense, may I > ask? Using that logic we should just close all prisons because it costs taxpayer money. Let's free Charles Manson. All he did was kill a few people. Why burden the taxpayer with his room and board? John -- John Mayson <john@mayson.us> Austin, Texas, USA ***** Moderator's Note ***** A more immediate and efficient solution comes to mind in that case. But, let's keep this limited to ways to _effectively_ discourage cell use by drivers. Bill Horne Moderator
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 08:16:45 +1100 From: David Clayton <dcstar@myrealbox.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: US may disable all in-car mobile phones Message-ID: <pan.2010.12.06.21.16.42.677293@myrealbox.com> On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 10:07:36 -0600, John Mayson wrote: ....... > But, let's keep this limited to ways to _effectively_ discourage cell > use by drivers. > > Bill Horne > Moderator Make the phone surface you put to your ear like sandpaper so if you go over a bump while driving and using it you take off a bit of skin? ;-) -- Regards, David. David Clayton Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Knowledge is a measure of how many answers you have, intelligence is a measure of how many questions you have.
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 12:15:04 -0500 From: Matt Simpson <net-news69@jmatt.net> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: US may disable all in-car mobile phones Message-ID: <net-news69-4B125E.12150406122010@news.toast.net> In article <idg6ln$160$1@news.eternal-september.org>, "Gary" <bogus-email@hotmail.com> wrote: > Simply allow auto and medical insurance companies to deny coverage to > drivers involved in accidents when the evidence shows they were using their > phone. Make drivers fully liable for all property damage, medical damage > costs and legal costs while driving and talking, and that would go a long > way to resolving the issue without any fancy technical solutions. Unfortunately, many drivers would not have adequate financial resources to compensate their victims, leaving the innocent victims trying to squeeze blood out of a turnip. It might be more reasonable to handle it similar to DUI. The insurance companies would still pay the damages, but after the first claim, they could either cancel the policy or charge sky-high premiums.
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