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The Telecom Digest for May 28, 2010
Volume 29 : Issue 144 : "text" Format
Messages in this Issue:
Re: White Pages fading out? (Steven)
Re: White Pages fading out? (Eric Tappert)
Re: White Pages fading out? (Adam H. Kerman)
Re: White Pages fading out? (Adam H. Kerman)
Re: White Pages fading out? (Adam H. Kerman)
FCC Adopts 14th Annual Report on Mobile Wireless Competition (Monty Solomon)
Re: White Pages fading out? (Robert Bonomi)
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Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 16:36:46 -0700
From: Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: White Pages fading out?
Message-ID: <htkbae$h10$1@news.eternal-september.org>
Harold Hallikainen wrote:
>
> I have a Verizon phone line at home. http://find.person.superpages.com/
> lists me several times at current and previous addresses. Most
> listings say the phone number is not available. One listing does show
> a phone number, but it is wrong.
>
> If Verizon is going to get rid of paper white pages and tell people to
> use this web site, it needs some work.
>
> But, do we need to look up personal phone numbers anymore? Cellular
> phones seem to be working out well with every number being "unlisted."
>
> Harold
>
Years ago when cellular was new; GTE Mobile Net had the wild idea to
print a directory of its subscribers, that went over like a big bomb.
--
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Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 19:15:36 -0400
From: Eric Tappert <e.tappert.spamnot@worldnet.att.net>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: White Pages fading out?
Message-ID: <jlarv5d2681kt18b65hr9l9hergpbl713s@4ax.com>
On Wed, 26 May 2010 09:16:39 -0700 (PDT), Jeff or Lisa
<hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>On May 25, 10:57 am, John Levine <jo...@iecc.com> wrote:
>> >It's about time. They all need to make available on-line the except
>> >copy of the paper book, which AT&T has already done for most of their
>> >LEC territory.
>>
>> The RBOCs' white pages are all online.
>>
>> Verizon http://find.person.superpages.com/
>> AT&T http://www.anywho.com/
>> Qwest http://dexknows.whitepages.com/
>
>I tried some of those for my family. I found:
>
>--A phone number out of service for at least 6 years is shown on the
>"optional search" page.
>
>--A person deceased for 6 years is shown on the "optional search"
>page.
>
>--A person was listed in the wrong city with an old number.
>
>--The location of an exchange was shown on a map some 20 miles away
>from its actual location.
>
>> There's quite a lot of overlap, since white pages listings are not
>> subject to copyright in the US.
>
>The White Pages books I have have copyright notices are on them. One
>has a copyright on every page.
Hey, I've got you one better. Over a quarter century ago I had a
business line. I converted it to a residential line (yea, like 28
years ago), yet I still get calls on a monthly basis asking for the
"the person responsible for xxxxxxx in your company...". Old phone
numbers never go away, particularly on the internet.
ET
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Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 07:16:11 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: White Pages fading out?
Message-ID: <htl67r$ag3$5@news.albasani.net>
Jeff or Lisa <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>On May 25, 10:57 am, John Levine <jo...@iecc.com> wrote:
>>There's quite a lot of overlap, since white pages listings are not
>>subject to copyright in the US.
>The White Pages books I have have copyright notices are on them. One
>has a copyright on every page.
John Levine is speaking of a decades old US Supreme Court ruling, whose
name escapes me right now. Cannot copyright an alphabetical list of names
of residences or businesses. Categorized listings, however, are copyrightable,
because assigning subject heading classifications is actual creative work.
I've seen those copyright notices too. I have no idea what they are pulling.
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 07:20:13 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: White Pages fading out?
Message-ID: <htl6fd$ag3$6@news.albasani.net>
Bob Goudreau <BobGoudreau@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>Adam Kerman writes:
>>Where AT&T has a listing services agreement with R.H. Donnelley, use
>>http://dexpages.com/
>>R.H. Donnelley is the official printed phone directory for certain phone
>>companies, including part of AT&T territory and all of Qwest territory,
>>but an alternative telephone directory in other parts of the country.
>Just a name update... The R.H. Donnelly name is no more.
I know. It's just a very famous family in Chicago and I'll always think of
the company that way. I really don't understand how they managed to go
bankrupt. I don't believe any fourth or fifth generation Donnelleys are
in town any longer.
>It emerged from bankruptcy reorganization under the new corporate name
>"Dex One". . . .
Ah. I didn't know they had emerged from bankruptcy. Thanks.
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 07:13:23 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: White Pages fading out?
Message-ID: <htl62j$ag3$4@news.albasani.net>
Jeff or Lisa <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>On May 25, 10:04 pm, "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>But superpages.com/ itself is somewhat reliable only for business
>>listings in Verizon territory and dreadful outside of Verizon
>>territory. No idea of its accuracy in FairPoint territory.
>Verizon is lousy. I tried looking up a pizza place and I got
>responses for places 150 miles away. Sorry, but nobody's pizza is
>that good to justify that kind of drive.
There is something seriously flawed about the algorithm that a lot of
these sites use for calculating distance. What if you know the actual name
of the community the business is located in? You cannot get that result. It's
always changed to surrounding territory.
Of course, this is because they are churning their statistics and not
trying to provide useful information to the user.
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 17:14:23 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: FCC Adopts 14th Annual Report on Mobile Wireless Competition
Message-ID: <p06240859c8248e314508@[10.0.1.4]>
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
May 20, 2010
FCC ADOPTS 14th ANNUAL REPORT ON MOBILE WIRELESS COMPETITION
Expanded Report Analyzes Entire Mobile Ecosystem; Finds Significant
Growth in Wireless Data
Washington, D.C. --Pursuant to the Communications Act of 1934, as
amended, the Federal Communications Commission today adopted its
14thannual report on the state of competition in the mobile wireless
industry. The report --which reflects the agency's commitment to
upgrading all competition reports --will create a solid foundation
for predictable, fact-based wireless policy.
Unlike previous reports, which examined competition in the provision
of Commercial Mobile Radio Services (CMRS), this year's report
integrates CMRS into the broader mobile ecosystem, including mobile
voice, messaging, and broadband services. For the first time, the
report also includes data on the many interrelated "upstream" and
"downstream" market segments of the mobile ecosystem --including
spectrum, infrastructure, and devices --each of which has the
potential to affect competition.
The report, which reflects market conditions existing in 2008 and
much of 2009, identifies the following key trends, among others, in
the mobile wireless industry:
...
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-298299A1.pdf
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:03:32 -0500
From: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi)
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: White Pages fading out?
Message-ID: <XuednaZxgIxpLmPWnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@posted.nuvoxcommunications>
On Wed, 26 May 2010 09:16:39 -0700 (PDT), Jeff or Lisa
<hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>On May 25, 10:57 am, John Levine <jo...@iecc.com> wrote:
>
>The White Pages books I have have copyright notices are on them. One
>has a copyright on every page.
Anybody can claim whatever they want, and that claim, in_and_of itself,
means _nothing_, legally.
The fact remains that the U.S. Supreme Court =settled= the issue in
"Feist V. Rural Telephone", 499 U.S. 340 (1991).
Raw 'information' is not copyrightable; but "compilations" are.
The SupCt held that the ordering of the data by a 'natural' scheme,
such as 'alphabetical' order did NOT meet the creativity standard
required for copyright to attach.
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