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The Telecom Digest for May 12, 2010
Volume 29 : Issue 130 : "text" Format
Messages in this Issue:
Re: Facebook's Gone Rogue; It's Time for an Open Alternative (David Clayton)
Re: Facebook's Gone Rogue; It's Time for an Open Alternative (Ron)
Re: Phone number helped track terror suspect (David Kaye)
Re: Phone number helped track terror suspect (danny burstein)
Re: Phone number helped track terror suspect (John David Galt)
Re: Phone number helped track terror suspect (Adam H. Kerman)
Re: Phone number helped track terror suspect (Sam Spade)
Re: batteries (was Waiting for Verizon..) (Scott Dorsey)
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Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 08:34:21 +1000
From: David Clayton <dcstar@myrealbox.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Facebook's Gone Rogue; It's Time for an Open Alternative
Message-ID: <pan.2010.05.10.22.34.18.148795@myrealbox.com>
On Mon, 10 May 2010 00:35:50 -0400, Monty Solomon wrote:
> Facebook's Gone Rogue; It's Time for an Open Alternative
...........
> This includes your music preferences, employment information, reading
> preferences, schools, etc. All the things that make up your profile. They
> all must be public - and linked to public pages for each of those bits of
> info - or you don't get them at all. That's hardly a choice, and the whole
> system is maddeningly complex.
>
> ...
>
> http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/05/facebook-rogue/
>
>
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> ObTelecom: What if Google voice follows a similar path?
C'mon, won't it be great that (in that future just around the corner) when
someone calls you on your u-beaut network interface device (which used to
be called a "phone") that the complete life history of the person calling
you will be able to be searched and displayed in front of you in a
fraction of a second?
You will able to decide if you want to communicate with this person based
on things down to the colour of the toilet paper they buy - because that
must be available in some linked database somewhere!
Of course they will only contact you because they have also done similar
research on your life.......
--
Regards, David.
David Clayton
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Knowledge is a measure of how many answers you have, intelligence is a
measure of how many questions you have.
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 21:14:34 -0400
From: Ron <ron@see.below>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Facebook's Gone Rogue; It's Time for an Open Alternative
Message-ID: <i30ku55q8eg75i5ab2t1rplsngh50goa25@4ax.com>
David Clayton <dcstar@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>>
>> ObTelecom: What if Google voice follows a similar path?
>
>C'mon, won't it be great that (in that future just around the corner) when
>someone calls you on your u-beaut network interface device (which used to
>be called a "phone") that the complete life history of the person calling
>you will be able to be searched and displayed in front of you in a
>fraction of a second?
Was illustrated in video some time back. See
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNJl9EEcsoE
for "Ordering Pizza in the Future".
--
Ron
(user telnom.for.plume
in domain antichef.com)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 08:33:34 GMT
From: sfdavidkaye2@yahoo.com (David Kaye)
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Phone number helped track terror suspect
Message-ID: <hsb4ot$34j$4@news.eternal-september.org>
"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>When I was at university, the student newspaper published a method that
>student library employees were using to steal library books.
Here in San Francisco about 10 years ago one of the TV stations showed
how easy it was to steal parking meters from their poles. A day or
two after that how-to ran, hundreds of parking meters were stolen.
About 30 years ago a TV movie was shown on NBC in which a girl was
raped with a plunger handle. The local NBC affiliate, KRON, showed
the movie that night. Four days later a local girl was raped with a
beer bottle by a boy who had seen the movie on TV that night. There
was testimony to that effect when the case came to trial.
Here's a link to that story:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1817&dat=19780731&id=8wgdAAAAIBAJ&sjid=5Z4EAAAAIBAJ&pg=6601,6934425
So, are the media culpable? At what point do you say yes, or do you ever say
yes?
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:41:14 +0000 (UTC)
From: danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Phone number helped track terror suspect
Message-ID: <hsbj9a$dae$2@reader1.panix.com>
In <hsb4ot$34j$4@news.eternal-september.org> sfdavidkaye2@yahoo.com (David Kaye) writes:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>When I was at university, the student newspaper published a method that
>>student library employees were using to steal library books.
>Here in San Francisco about 10 years ago one of the TV stations showed
>how easy it was to steal parking meters from their poles. A day or
>two after that how-to ran, hundreds of parking meters were stolen.
On the other hand, after people saw what happened to Paul Newman
when he pulled off a dozen or so parking meters in that southern
town, nobody, and I mean NOBODY, followed his example.
--
_____________________________________________________
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and/or Verizon was in the process of swallowing up.
I, being employed by BT a/o Verzontal at the time, called Fred and
said "We are going to get your mind RIGHT!".
Fred found another job.
True story.
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Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:32:50 -0800
From: John David Galt <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Phone number helped track terror suspect
Message-ID: <hscbgg$hac$1@blue.rahul.net>
> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>> When I was at university, the student newspaper published a method that
>> student library employees were using to steal library books.
David Kaye wrote:
> Here in San Francisco about 10 years ago one of the TV stations showed
> how easy it was to steal parking meters from their poles. A day or
> two after that how-to ran, hundreds of parking meters were stolen.
Both of the above appear to have been bona fide attempts by the media outlet
to get the vulnerable institution to take better precautions. This general
type of situation is discussed all the time on comp.risks. It seems to me
there is a consensus that it's better to at least try to tell the technical
staff of the affected company or agency about the problem privately first,
but that a good part of the time, they won't bother to do anything, and in
that case this kind of public "outing" is both necessary and justified.
> About 30 years ago a TV movie was shown on NBC in which a girl was
> raped with a plunger handle. The local NBC affiliate, KRON, showed
> the movie that night. Four days later a local girl was raped with a
> beer bottle by a boy who had seen the movie on TV that night. There
> was testimony to that effect when the case came to trial.
That case is completely different in a couple of different ways: the movie
was fiction, not a news story and not an attempt to prevent the real event;
and the basis for the lawsuit was not that the movie enabled the real
attack (by telling the bad guys how, which after all doesn't involve any
special know-how) but that it incited or inspired it. I have no sympathy
for either the perp or victim in trying to blame the movie for the real
crime.
On the other hand: It is widely rumored that the US government, fearing
similar "inspiration", persuaded Hollywood to sit on the movie version of
Tom Clancy's "The Sum of All Fears" until after 9/11 happened anyway. If
this is true, I applaud both the government's request and Hollywood's
cooperation with it (though I'd still refuse to go along with blaming the
movie if Hollywood had disobeyed and the real attack had then occurred).
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 20:16:39 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Phone number helped track terror suspect
Message-ID: <hscdv7$sfn$1@news.albasani.net>
David Kaye <sfdavidkaye2@yahoo.com> wrote:
>So, are the media culpable? At what point do you say yes, or do you ever say
>yes?
I don't think there is ever any culpability, no. I just know that prior
restraint, if allowed, will be expanded into more and more areas for "our
own good".
But you didn't ask the question if anyone was even trying to exercise
news judgment.
And if something is published or produced as fiction, we have to give it
even more leeway. Then the only question to ask, Was it entertaining? Sure,
some sicko doing something violent or disgusting might claim to have
been inspired. However, even if we believed after the fact that certain
reading or viewing material triggered extremely bad behavior (which can't
be proven anyway), how can it be predicted before the fact of publication
that someone will act on it?
What if someone kidnapped a girl in a yellow rain slicker and claimed to
have been inspired by the Morton Salt logo?
I'll never believe anything in the media, fiction or nonfiction, is capable
of turning a good person into a bad person.
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 18:22:51 -0700
From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Phone number helped track terror suspect
Message-ID: <CK6dnZ-uXNF0n3fWnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>
> I'll never believe anything in the media, fiction or nonfiction, is capable
> of turning a good person into a bad person.
>
I respect your belief system, but take strong exception to it.
Date: 11 May 2010 11:01:35 -0400
From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: batteries (was Waiting for Verizon..)
Message-ID: <hsbrgf$8t3$1@panix2.panix.com>
Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com> wrote:
>>
>I started running the BBS in 1986 and only took it down in 2004. At
>that time we had UUP newsgroups, network e-mail, and being able to send
>files;between 10 other Apple II BBS's around the US. I have been doing
>updates to the software to fix the 2000 date problem, that is now done
>and a way to network it to the Internet, that will take moving it to a
>Apple IIgs or linking it via a doors program on a Mac.
Not at all. Buy a terminal server.... Emulex and Lantronix ones can be had
for ten or twenty bucks on Ebay. One end plugs into your Ethernet, the other
end has a serial port. You telnet into the terminal server and you get a
connection to the serial port plugged into the BBS.
I have one right now connecting a PDP-8e to the public internet. Works very
well.
--scott
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