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Message Digest
Volume 29 : Issue 34 : "text" Format
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Re: OT: NASA, Bell Labs, NSA, and the Voynich Manuscript
Re: OT: NASA, Bell Labs, NSA, and the Voynich Manuscript
Re: OT: NASA, Bell Labs, NSA, and the Voynich Manuscript
Re: [NFP] Hayes Commands (topic changed)
Re: at&t vs. Verizon TV ad campaign?
Re: at&t vs. Verizon TV ad campaign?
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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 17:44:20 -0800
From: Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: OT: NASA, Bell Labs, NSA, and the Voynich Manuscript
Message-ID: <hk801k$p7e$1@news.eternal-september.org>
David Clayton wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:07:02 -0600, Telecom Digest Moderator wrote:
> .......
>> Help! I'm drowning in te....
>>
>>
>> @@@Carrier Lost
>
> And how many Internet kiddies today have no idea what used to pump out of
> old voice band modems or what the Hayes "AT" control set is (was?).......
>
I have a friend that still used dial-up, she is in a digital black hole.
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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 08:47:59 -0800
From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: OT: NASA, Bell Labs, NSA, and the Voynich Manuscript
Message-ID: <3HY9n.4878$4N4.1503@newsfe24.iad>
Steven wrote:
> David Clayton wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:07:02 -0600, Telecom Digest Moderator wrote:
>> .......
>>
>>> Help! I'm drowning in te....
>>>
>>>
>>> @@@Carrier Lost
>>
>>
>> And how many Internet kiddies today have no idea what used to pump out of
>> old voice band modems or what the Hayes "AT" control set is (was?).......
>>
> I have a friend that still used dial-up, she is in a digital black hole.
>
Some of us also travel to those digital holes. That's why a maintain a
Juno dial-up account.
Having said that, between the embedded software modems in most laptops
these days, and the good software of Juno or Earthlink, the AT command
set is unseen and unknown by today's dial-up subscriber.
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:52:25 -0600
From: Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: OT: NASA, Bell Labs, NSA, and the Voynich Manuscript
Message-ID: <na-dnXGgV9XbD_rWnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@posted.visi>
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> I'm still looking for the AT command that locks the unit in "301" mode
> so that it can be used with Radio Shack DCM-6 modems!
You mean, "103" mode? With a USR Sportster it's S27=1 ("Enables ITU-
T V.21 modulation at 300 bps for overseas calls; in V.21 mode, the
modem answers both overseas and domestic (US and Canada) calls, but
only originates V.21 calls. (Default Bell 103)")
***** Moderator's Note *****
Thanks, I'll try it out.
Date: 2 Feb 2010 13:47:02 -0500
From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: [NFP] Hayes Commands (topic changed)
Message-ID: <hk9rv6$hm5$1@panix2.panix.com>
>***** Moderator's Note *****
>
>I'm still looking for the AT command that locks the unit in "301" mode
>so that it can be used with Radio Shack DCM-6 modems!
If you mean Bell 103 compatibility:
ATS37=3
Note that it will normally attempt to autonegotiate speed, and it WILL
usually lock up with a 103 modem but it can take a while for it to get
around to trying the lower protocols. Using register 37 and locking it
down will reduce your set-up time if you're talking to a 300 baud device.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
***** Moderator's Note *****
Thanks, I'll add that to the list. Some explanation is in order, and
I'll ask the readers' indulgence while I pursue a personal quest.
I'm a member of the Morse Telegraph Club, which is an organization
dedicated to keeping the art of landline telegraphy alive. To that
end, one of the members designed a "Dial Up Morse" circuits, which
allows Morse Code Sounders and Keys to be attached to the PSTN for
"Living History" demonstrations, so that a telegrapher can put on a
green eyeshade and sleeve garters and give demonstrations of how
messages were sent in the days before telephones, testing, or IM.
The point is that the circuit using extremely simple modems, ususally
the Radio Shack DCM-3 or DCM-6, because many higher-speed units have
automatic circuitry that will disconnect a line if the modem receives
a "Spacing" signal for more than a few character-lengths. The problem
is that the "Dial Up Morse" operators are used to "opening" the
circuit to "Break" the other operator when they miss a word, and the
resultant "Spacing" signal will time-out a lot of modems that use the
AT command set and auto-negotiate their speed.
Ergo, my remark about looking for a certain AT command: I need to know
which "modern" modems can be set so that they will NOT disconnect
(or attempt to renegotiate their speed) when they receive a prolonged
space signal at their input. If effect, I'm looking for the AT
command(s) that tell the modem "103 tones, totally async, tolerate
prolonged spacing signals, just convert tones to DC and nothing
else".
I hope that makes the whole question more clear: let's move the
discussion off-list, since it's about as far from the current state of
the art as it's possible to get, so I've added a "[NFP]" (Not for
publication) tag in the subject.
Bill Horne
Moderator
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 11:13:48 -0800 (PST)
From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: at&t vs. Verizon TV ad campaign?
Message-ID: <715ee023-6b37-4bad-a1ce-56361e439da8@y12g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>
On Feb 1, 4:30 am, Sam Spade <s...@coldmail.com> wrote:
> One more rate increase and your's truly will drop at$t for my present
> Vonage service. I just prepaid Vonage for 1 year, which result in a
> monthly rate of $20 per month for unlimited calling to 50 states, and 60
> foreign countries, caller ID, voice mail, three-way calling, call
> forwarding, and call waiting. And, I control via web interface whether
> I want call waiting on or off.
Who provides the broadband connection so that you can run Vonage? May
I ask how much that costs you?
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:03:10 -0800
From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: at&t vs. Verizon TV ad campaign?
Message-ID: <yP4an.21335$Fe4.11113@newsfe21.iad>
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Feb 1, 4:30 am, Sam Spade <s...@coldmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>One more rate increase and your's truly will drop at$t for my present
>>Vonage service. I just prepaid Vonage for 1 year, which result in a
>>monthly rate of $20 per month for unlimited calling to 50 states, and 60
>>foreign countries, caller ID, voice mail, three-way calling, call
>>forwarding, and call waiting. And, I control via web interface whether
>>I want call waiting on or off.
>
>
> Who provides the broadband connection so that you can run Vonage? May
> I ask how much that costs you?
>
We've been through this argument before, haven't we?
Incremental or marginal costs. ;-)
This is why Bill's "Aunt Millie" won't migrate from wireline to VOIP.
Rather, she will migrate to wireless.
***** Moderator's Note *****
If I'm the "Bill" you refer to, it wasn't me that introduced
"Millie". It was Bob Goudreau, and his "relative" was "Great Aunt
Tilly".
I did, however, speculate that Great Aunt Tilly would migrate to the
Sun Belt and choose a new ILEC someday, and I think that's why SBC
bought the AT&T brand name, since Tilly is likely to choose it in her
new home.
I don't think Tilly will go cellular: she's going to be pinching
pennies in her senior years, and she'll be uncomfortable with the
variable monthly costs of a cell phone compared to the fixed cost
of a POTS line.
Bill Horne
Moderator
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