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Message Digest Volume 28 : Issue 329 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: mobile only, was 'Sexting' popular among teens Re: Do you know where there are Teletype machines for sale? Re: Do you know where there are Teletype machines for sale? Re: Do you know where there are Teletype machines for sale? Re: Do you know where there are Teletype machines for sale? Re: Do you know where there are Teletype machines for sale? Re: Do you know where there are Teletype machines for sale? Re: Do you know where there are Teletype machines for sale? Re: repeaters or boosters Re: repeaters or boosters ====== 28 years of TELECOM Digest -- Founded August 21, 1981 ====== Telecom and VOIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) Digest for the Internet. All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. 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Date: 15 Dec 2009 06:12:07 -0000 From: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: mobile only, was 'Sexting' popular among teens Message-ID: <20091215061207.24013.qmail@simone.iecc.com> > Since you do have a cellular number and you don't have a > landline number, you're a lot more likely to have a fair amount of > disposable income than someone whose pattern is vice versa. That's not true any more. Prepaid mobiles are now cheap enough that they're a reasonable choice for your only phone on a limited budget. I just got some Tracfones for $20 each, and if you're careful to use promotion codes the airtime is about 10 cents/min. People with only a landline tend to be old, people with only a mobile tend to be young, but I don't think you can assume that one would be richer than the other. R's, John ***** Moderator's Note ***** Noone in the direct mail industry assumes that one group is richer than the other: they just know for a fact that young cell phone users are much more likely to dispose of their income on high-profit, non-essential things like music downloads and CD's, clothes, carbonated beverages, brand-name footwear, and quick-serve restaurants. People with only a landline are old, and they're not going to buy rap music, Trademark shoes, "power" beverages, or Tommy Hilfigger pants. They are not even going to eat at McWendyKing unless they're baby-sitting their grandchildren. That means that those who have only a landline are much more likely to get a coupon promising that "kids eat free" during the holidays. Those with only a cellphone are much more likely to get a text message from "ladi goo-goo" promising that they can get Nike shoes by going to BurgerDonald. It's ALL grist for the mill: if I know your zip code and your age, I can identify you and the products you're most likely to buy and whether sales promotions will affect your buying pattern. Bill Horne Moderator Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:03:36 -0500 From: tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Do you know where there are Teletype machines for sale? Message-ID: <op.u4yq0auuo63xbg@acer250.gateway.2wire.net> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 02:32:09 -0500, Bill Horne <bill.remove@this-too.billhorne.homelinux.org> wrote: > I subscribe to a mailing list for Teletype users, called GREENKEYS. > > One of the readers posted a request for info on whether a Model 15 > Teletype is available for purchase, and it got me wondering if any of > the Digest's readers have knowledge in this area. > > Does anyone know of any repository of Teletype machines? I can't help > but wonder if some Baby Bell has a warehouse full of them, and there's > a fair number of users who'd be delighted to get at them. > > Thanks for your time. > > Bill Googling on the search string [ Model 15 Teletype for sale ], I find: http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showthread.php?t=8201 . So, two and a half years ago, there certainly was one. Might be sold, by now, though :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp -- Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP ***** Moderator's Note ***** Thanks, I'll check ;-). The question is "What did Ma Bell do with all the machines that used to crank out service orders"? If they were scrapped, that's a shame, but it wouldn't surprise me to find at least one warehouse ... Bill Horne Moderator Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:53:07 -0800 (PST) From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Do you know where there are Teletype machines for sale? Message-ID: <3f0b2703-971d-4d56-aa0d-eadc662ea061@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> On Dec 15, 12:03 am, tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlL...@att.net> wrote: > The question is "What did Ma Bell do with all the machines that used > to crank out service orders"? If they were scrapped, that's a shame, > but it wouldn't surprise me to find at least one warehouse ... I suspect that until the 1990s, the Bell System and baby bells warehoused old components for parts use or to be reconditioned. Until then there was a great deal of old legacy equipment in active daily service. However, by circa 1990, new electronic equipment, both for public service and internal processing, was flooding the baby bells, [and] the old gear was completely obsolete. Computerized order systems replaced Baudot teletypes. Further, the baby bells and Western Electric were breaking away from their Bell System legacy of a very rugged infrastructure to a much leaner streamlined approach. At that time I suspect the stockpiles of old gear, be it Teletypes, Strowger switches, rotary telephone sets, etc. were declared obsolete and scrapped, even the warehouses themselves sold off. Several old telephone buildings were sold off to become luxury condos. ***** Moderator's Note ***** During the 1960's my uncle was flying a surplus Cessna "Bamboo Bomber" twin-engined airplane from Texas to Massachusetts, while on vacation with his wife. The aircraft, which had seen long service in World War II, was no longer in the government inventory, so parts could only be obtained from the secondary market. My uncle blew the landing gear fuse, and therefore couldn't use the electric motors which raised and lowered the landing gear. The fuse was a special part that wasn't used for any other airplane, or any other *anything*, so he had to have his wife crank the gear down (and up) manually, using the emergency, hand-operated gear mechanism. Needless to say, his wife was happy to do it the first time, but not the fifth or sixth, etc. My uncle, who had spent 20+ years in the Air Force, stopped at Westover Air Force base and sought help from the Senior Master Sergeant in charge of aircraft maintenance. The "top" sergeant took him into an old hanger, and showed him a hidden trapdoor that led to the "attic", where a long line of Master Sergeants had hidden all the parts from all the "Retired" airplanes. They found the fuse my uncle needed, and a couple of spares, and the gear lubricant that the landing gear motors really needed (it was made to perform properly at altitude and still be non-conductive, which was a rare feat back then) and my uncle never tired of telling the tale. The moral of this story is that I KNOW that somewhere, there is a warehouse full of Teletype machines, packed in Cosmoline, ready to go into service. The "pack rat" nature of techies dictates it, and I'm going on a mission to find them! ;-) Bill Horne Moderator Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:28:02 +0000 (UTC) From: David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Do you know where there are Teletype machines for sale? Message-ID: <hg8kfh$lug$2@reader1.panix.com> Telecom Digest Moderator wrote: > The moral of this story is that I KNOW that somewhere, there is a > warehouse full of Teletype machines, packed in Cosmoline, ready to go > into service. The "pack rat" nature of techies dictates it, and I'm > going on a mission to find them! ;-) For decades, waves of WWII "Command Sets" -- modular aircraft radios of solid but simple construction -- would appear on the surplus market. The general view was as bases closed down/ cleaned house, another warehouse full of them had been found and sold off. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:23:39 -0600 From: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Do you know where there are Teletype machines for sale? Message-ID: <-7edneegMPwWtbXWnZ2dnUVZ_rpi4p2d@posted.nuvoxcommunications> In article <3f0b2703-971d-4d56-aa0d-eadc662ea061@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, > > ***** Moderator's Note ***** > > The moral of this story is that I KNOW that somewhere, there is a > warehouse full of Teletype machines, packed in Cosmoline, ready to go > into service. The "pack rat" nature of techies dictates it, and I'm > going on a mission to find them! ;-) IF there is such a warehouse, you're still gonna be out of luck. The techie guarding it is preserving them for telco use, not for surplus sales. *GRIN* ***** Moderator's Note ***** Nope, I don't believe it. Techies want things to be _used_, not just stored, and they'll welcome me when I show up bearing lubricants and anti-fungal agents. Bill Horne Moderator Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:44:32 EST From: Wesrock@aol.com To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Do you know where there are Teletype machines for sale? [Tele... Message-ID: <c98.5f6bf5bd.385908e0@aol.com> In a message dated 12/15/2009 8:13:44 AM Central Standard Time, bill@billhorne.removethis.homelinux.org wrote: > Thanks, I'll check ;-). > > The question is "What did Ma Bell do with all the machines that used > to crank out service orders"? If they were scrapped, that's a shame, > but it wouldn't surprise me to find at least one warehouse ... > > Bill Horne > Moderator It's unlikelty they're laying around in a warehouse, since they would be assets in the rate base that the company needed to be earning on, and they would bring in no revenue. Incidentally, I'm 81, have a landline and cellphone, and like a lot of fast food. McDonald's has outstanding quality beef. Wes Leatherock wesrock@aol.com wleathus@yahoo.com **** Moderator's Note ***** Come on, Wes, didn't you ever hear of the "Magic Pencil"? There were probably more items "retired" that way than we could imagine: when I was in Engineering, we occasionally found electromechanical equipment sitting on floor space which had been "cleared" years before. Some of it had been hidden by engineers who wanted a private stock of parts (D1 banks were a favorite target), and some was "removed" by foremen and supervisors who owed their crews a favor and used the OT as Christmas money. In any case, I don't care who owns the warehouse (or barn, or attic): I'm just trying to find it. There was a lot of old gear that fell off the truck on the way to the junk dealer, and even a few old Switchmen who constructed complete SxS telephone exchanges in their basements when SxS was "retired". BTW, I bet you order off the "less than a dollar" menu at McBurger, and avoid the ultra-high profit items like shakes and french fries. Bill Horne Moderator Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:03:50 -0800 From: Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Do you know where there are Teletype machines for sale? Message-ID: <hg8mio$ioh$1@news.eternal-september.org> Wesrock@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/15/2009 8:13:44 AM Central Standard Time, > bill@billhorne.removethis.homelinux.org wrote: > >> Thanks, I'll check ;-). >> >> The question is "What did Ma Bell do with all the machines that used >> to crank out service orders"? If they were scrapped, that's a shame, >> but it wouldn't surprise me to find at least one warehouse ... >> >> Bill Horne >> Moderator > > It's unlikelty they're laying around in a warehouse, since they would > be assets in the rate base that the company needed to be earning on, > and they would bring in no revenue. > > Incidentally, I'm 81, have a landline and cellphone, and like a lot of > fast food. McDonald's has outstanding quality beef. > > Wes Leatherock > wesrock@aol.com > wleathus@yahoo.com > > **** Moderator's Note ***** > > Come on, Wes, didn't you ever hear of the "Magic Pencil"? There were > probably more items "retired" that way than we could imagine: when I > was in Engineering, we occasionally found electromechanical equipment > sitting on floor space which had been "cleared" years before. Some of > it had been hidden by engineers who wanted a private stock of parts > (D1 banks were a favorite target), and some was "removed" by foremen > and supervisors who owed their crews a favor and used the OT as > Christmas money. > > In any case, I don't care who owns the warehouse (or barn, or > attic): I'm just trying to find it. There was a lot of old gear that > fell off the truck on the way to the junk dealer, and even a few old > Switchmen who constructed complete SxS telephone exchanges in their > basements when SxS was "retired". > > BTW, I bet you order off the "less than a dollar" menu at McBurger, > and avoid the ultra-high profit items like shakes and french fries. > > Bill Horne > Moderator > Years ago we found a case of Candle Stick phones in a old CO that had been converted into storage, box was still sealed from factory, the dates on the box and phone was from the 20's so we figured they had been stored during the depression by a California Water Telephone or who CWT bought. The Phones never made it back to anywhere except out work group. I was out past Palm Springs last year on a remote site job and found an old Valley Home Telephone, sign is in very good condition for being there since the 50's. There is a company located in Wisconsin located in an old barn that has just about anything telephone related. -- The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today? (c) 2009 I Kill Spammers, Inc., A Rot in Hell. Co. Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:18:50 -0800 (PST) From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Do you know where there are Teletype machines for sale? Message-ID: <5a96c3ba-d215-44ad-a9d4-472fa8b32643@n13g2000vbe.googlegroups.com> > **** Moderator's Note ***** > > Come on, Wes, didn't you ever hear of the "Magic Pencil"? There were > probably more items "retired" that way than we could imagine: when I > was in Engineering, we occasionally found electromechanical equipment > sitting on floor space which had been "cleared" years before. Some of > it had been hidden by engineers who wanted a private stock of parts > (D1 banks were a favorite target), and some was "removed" by foremen > and supervisors who owed their crews a favor and used the OT as > Christmas money. Back in the 1980s-1990s the sour economy forced many large companies to get lean and mean. They took a hard look at warehouse or surplus space they owned or leased and determined whether it had any realistic economic value. In many cases it did not (in their eyes) and the properties [were] disposed of. Two casualties of this were (1) old hardware of various types and (2) corporate archives. Being lean and mean meant that a company no longer supported (with manuals or parts) ancient equipment still in service out there. From blast furnaces to bookcases, stuff was scrapped or trashed. > In any case, I don't care who owns the warehouse (or barn, or > attic): I'm just trying to find it. There was a lot of old gear that > fell off the truck on the way to the junk dealer, and even a few old > Switchmen who constructed complete SxS telephone exchanges in their > basements when SxS was "retired". The two historic telephone groups, ACTA and TCI, may be able to help. There are antique radio collector groups and ham radio groups who may be able to help. Sometimes stuff is posted on e-bay. Unfortunately, private collections are sometimes sadly destroyed as this article describes: http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://www.trentonian.com/articles/2009/12/04/news/doc4b1888f3ca007384474191.txt&usg=AFQjCNH0Cko4PF-FUNFwVOsAIBCl1FVmpQ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:41:30 -0800 (PST) From: Joseph Singer <joeofseattle@yahoo.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: repeaters or boosters Message-ID: <305285.54202.qm@web52707.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:31:57 +0000 (UTC) "George Kamenz" wrote: > Can anyone recommend a faq about repeaters or boosters for cell > phones? I want to put an antenna in my house to improve reception and > use generally. I'm not all that interested in renting some sort of > cell phone to voip service from a provider, but rather making the > house a better place for cell traffic generally. There are two ways you can go about this. 1) You can get an antenna to place on your dwelling and run coax down into your place with an amplifier that feeds into your mobile phone. 2) You can also get a repeater which will amplify the signal strong enough to feed multiple phones at your location from manufacturers such as Wilson Electronics. It can cost you upwards of $700 but if you have marginal reception it's probably what you need. Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:47:06 -0500 From: "Gary" <fake-email-address@bogus.hotmail.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: repeaters or boosters Message-ID: <hg9hna$71v$1@news.eternal-september.org> "Joseph Singer" <joeofseattle@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:305285.54202.qm@web52707.mail.re2.yahoo.com... > > 2) You can also get a repeater which will amplify the signal strongly > enough to feed multiple phones at your location, from manufacturers > such as Wilson Electronics. It can cost you upwards of $700 but if > you have marginal reception it's probably what you need. I've no idea if these products are any good, but they are much less than $700: http://www.repeaterstore.com/ -Gary TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly to telecom- munications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to Usenet, where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Bill Horne. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occasional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. The Telecom Digest is moderated by Bill Horne. 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