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Volume 28 : Issue 307 : "text" Format

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  Re: Google Voice and Reciprocal Compensation on NPR 
  Re: Google Voice and Reciprocal Compensation on NPR 
  Ported number database (was: Area code 533 assigned for personal communications services) 
  Re: Overlay area code 872 to open, Chicago 
  Re: Shrinking directories 
  Re: Caller ID Device 
  Re: Caller ID Device 


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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:02:16 -0500 From: Fred Goldstein <fgoldstein.SeeSigSpambait@wn2.wn.net> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Google Voice and Reciprocal Compensation on NPR Message-ID: <20091107050200.A07DE4814A@mailout.easydns.com> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:01:12 -0800 (PST), <NOTvalid@Queensbridge.us> wrote, On Nov 2, 8:44 am, "har...@hallikainen.com" <har...@hallikainen.com> >wrote: > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114341718 > > > > ***** Moderator's Note ***** > > > > This is a good introduction to the ways that the reciprocal > > compensation rules can be used to benefit certain classes of > > traffic. CLECs are incentivized to serve "receive only" lines, i.e., > > lines which seldom make outgoing calls, so as to tip the compensation > > rules in their favor. Since the terminating company gets paid by the > > IEC, CLECs with a lot of conference-call or "chat room" or other > > customers who answer lots of calls, but make very few, can turn a > > profit. This isn't reciprocal compensation, which by definition is the cost-based rate paid by local exchange carriers to each other for local calls. It's the older, costlier Switched Access system, by which long distance carriers pay local carriers higher-than-cost sums, intended as a subsidy. Bigger numbers. > > Google, which is in the awkward position of having almost all > > "originating" traffic, must pay the higher rates which some rural > > ILEC/CLECs are allowed to charge for terminating calls. Or not give away the calls, which is their position. >Why doesn't Google Voice charge a toll to those changes? > >Even if it determined that they are a phone company, there is no law >that says that free service has to be given to all customers for all >calls. Not true. If they were a phone company, which they aren't, then there is a rule that says that the retail price for domestic toll calls of a given class must, in fact, be the same, regardless of the terminating carrier. This "rate averaging" rule is why you don't get a special bill from your normal phone company for calling these rural areas. Wholesale rates are, of course, a different question. The rate paid by a bulk user to a wholesale IXC reflects cost, including access charges. So the big carriers have lengthy rate decks for their wholesale customers. Google's willing to eat the fraction of a cent it costs to call most numbers, but not the multiple cents it takes to call some rural carriers who host conference bridges and similar services. Since they're not a carrier, but an application provider reselling another carrier's services, they have more flexibility than a carrier.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:50:22 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Lanciani <ddl@danlan.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Google Voice and Reciprocal Compensation on NPR Message-ID: <200911072150.QAA20918@ss10.danlan.com> fgoldstein.SeeSigSpambait@wn2.wn.net (Fred Goldstein) wrote: > Not true. If they were a phone company, which they aren't, then > there is a rule that says that the retail price for domestic toll > calls of a given class must, in fact, be the same, regardless of the > terminating carrier. This "rate averaging" rule is why you don't > get a special bill from your normal phone company for calling these > rural areas. Is that different from the kind of surcharge discussed here? http://groups.google.com/group/comp.dcom.telecom/browse_thread/thread/a2847c430f429be9/cb14bd1552e9ff54 Dan Lanciani ddl@danlan.*com
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:37:57 +0000 (UTC) From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Ported number database (was: Area code 533 assigned for personal communications services) Message-ID: <hd34k5$jeh$1@news.albasani.net> Joseph Singer <joeofseattle@yahoo.com> wrote: >Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:44:03 -0800 Richard <rng@richbonnie.com> wrote: >> In the USA, there is no way to tell whether a particular number in >> your area code is a cell phone, especially considering number >> portability, where you can have your land-line number re-assigned >> to a cell phone. > Actually, there is a way to tell if a number is a mobile number or > a regular number. Go to > https://www.wirelessamberalerts.org/index.jsp and input a 10-digit > number. The result will either give the name of the mobile > operating company or you'll get an error message that the number you > have input is not a wireless number. > If you wish to see who that area code and CO prefix holds that > numbering space go to http://www.telcodata.us/ . It even lists down > to 'thousands' block in the numbering. It's still possible that the > number could have been ported to another entity e.g. it was held by > the ILEC and then transferred to the CLEC or vice versa. So, is there a publicly accessible database of ported numbers? I know the unsolicited call centers are required to purge their calling lists of known numbers ported to cell phones, but has anyone made the database available for single lookups? And does the database include numbers ported from cell phone to land lines?
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:46:42 +0000 (UTC) From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Overlay area code 872 to open, Chicago Message-ID: <hd354i$jeh$2@news.albasani.net> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: > Easy to remember test number, available between October 14 and > December 7: 872 872-1872 > I wasn't following the area code exhaust list till a postcard from > Comcast showed up in today's mail announcing the dialing plan > change. Humorously, I can dial the test number from my cell phone > but not from Comcast Digital Voice. I didn't notice that Comcast made it possible to reach the test number till the day before the mandatory dial date. Whoa! Comcast isn't making us dial the 1 dialing prefix! Actually, it never occurred to me to try to FNPA dialing without the dialing prefix before.
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:01:23 -0500 From: Steve Stone <n2ubp@hotmail.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Shrinking directories Message-ID: <hd4clr$v4l$1@news.eternal-september.org> When I moved to my first home in a small city (pop 30,000) we received a single phone book that only covered that non baby bell territory. I think at that time it was called Continental Telephone Co. of Upper New York. You were SOL if you needed to look up a number in a county location covered by one of 3 other local phone companies. Today we annually receive about 6 different phone books. Some try to cross territories, but the data in many is old and inaccurate. The result is people refuse to retrieve the phone books from where they are dropped by the delivery people on their driveway or in the gutter, where they rot and decompose unused. The other phone companies serving my county in 1982 were Highland Telco, Warwick Valley, New York Tel, GTE. After consolidations we are down to 3 companies, Frontier, Verizon, and Warwick Valley.
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:04:57 -0500 From: Steve Stone <n2ubp@hotmail.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Caller ID Device Message-ID: <hd4csg$v4l$2@news.eternal-september.org> Steven wrote: > A while back I asked about a device that allows blocking numbers using > CID, much like the old Radio Shack CID did. I lost the site address. If you add your own voice modem and windows computer a program called Phone Tray Free will do the job.. It will handle multiple lines and you can customize the response based on CID number or name. I use it from a home file server that is always on, very little overhead.
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:24:46 -0800 From: Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Caller ID Device Message-ID: <hd4l2e$hs$1@news.eternal-september.org> Steve Stone wrote: > Steven wrote: >> A while back I asked about a device that allows blocking numbers >> using CID, much like the old Radio Shack CID did. I lost the site >> address. > > If you add your own voice modem and windows computer a program > called Phone Tray Free will do the job.. It will handle multiple > lines and you can customize the response based on CID number or > name. I use it from a home file server that is always on, [so there > is] very little overhead. I did find the site. -- The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today? (c) 2009 I Kill Spammers, Inc., A Rot in Hell. Co.
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