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  Re: 911 flaw delayed help to attack victim
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  White Pages may fall victim of technology


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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:46:18 +0000 (UTC) From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Area code 533 assigned for personal communications services Message-ID: <hce23q$tib$1@news.albasani.net> John Stahl <aljon@stny.rr.com> wrote: >"Adam H. Kerman" wrote: >> Area code 500 is exhausted, and 533 has been assigned for personal >> communications services. I had no idea these featurs were so >> popular. > History indicates that when the FCC was first considering "Cellular" > services (back in the 1970's), they discounted the European plan > already in effect which assigned specific AC's (NPA's) to their > burgeoning Cellular service so that all NXX's (exchanges) in these > NPA's would only be for cell phones. When was caller pays introduced? That type of service warrants a non-geographical area code, but as long as incoming calls to cellular phones are distance rated, then sharing existing area codes makes sense. > Of course as we all know, instead the FCC only allowed the early > cellular service supplier's to use NXX's in the already issued > (land-line) NPA covering their specific initial service area(s) > which were the largest MSA's (starting with number 1 and licensing > each successive MSA) until all had two carriers. > Of course we all know now that the FCC had no idea how large this > service would grow and that they would have to put together new NPA > plans with over-lays, etc. to ultimately cover the demand for > telephone numbers in each NPA area until where we find ourselves > today. Had they had a crystal ball they might have better chosen the > European plan with special NPA (just like this new FCC release of AC > 533) for this growing service. I do not agree with your analysis. The problem was waste of line numbering space. If cell phone had to have rate centers so that incoming calls could be distance rated (and outgoing long distance calls in the old days), then the correct solution should have been FCC rules for fulfilling line number requests neutrally. Groups of cellular phone numbers rated to an exchange should have been treated like PBXs, which generally require a block of numbers but not an entire prefix. Yeah, this might have taken extra equipment at the switch, but the bill and keep system pretends that every cell phone company has a physical presence at every central office, so what the hell.
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:53:31 EDT From: Wesrock@aol.com To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Area code 533 assigned for personal communications services [Te. Message-ID: <c22.6d1aab6c.381c57eb@aol.com> In a message dated 10/30/2009 9:14:53 AM Central Daylight Time, ahk@chinet.com writes: > Groups of cellular phone numbers rated to an exchange should have > been treated like PBXs, which generally require a block of numbers > but not an entire prefix. I remember in the early days of cell phones two cell phone carriers in Lawton, Oklahoma, each had only part of a prefix--the same prefix. Wes Leatherock wesrock@aol.com wleathus@yahoo.com
Date: 30 Oct 2009 16:01:46 -0000 From: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Area code 533 assigned for personal communications services Message-ID: <20091030160146.9995.qmail@simone.iecc.com> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: > When was caller pays introduced? Never. There were a few experiments with it using specific NPA-NXX codes, but they all failed. Evidently the number of people who thought they were so important that people would pay extra to call them greatly exceeded the number who actually were. The few references to 500 numbers I've seen suggest that the ones in use do not cost anything to call. > Groups of cellular phone numbers rated to an exchange should have > been treated like PBXs, which generally require a block of numbers > but not an entire prefix. They were. I had a Cellular One number in Vermont in the 1980s which was in a PBX block allocated from a NET (maybe it was NYNEX then) prefix. R's, John
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:39:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph Singer <joeofseattle@yahoo.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Area code 533 assigned for personal communications services Message-ID: <592833.65730.qm@web52712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:19:55 -0400 John Stahl <aljon@stny.rr.com> wrote: > Of course we all know now that the FCC had no idea how large this > service would grow and that they would have to put together new NPA > plans with over-lays, etc. to ultimately cover the demand for > telephone numbers in each NPA area until where we find ourselves > today. No matter how many times people repeat [the claim] that the main reason for overlays was people using technology like cell phones, fax machines, 'computer' lines or teenager additional lines, [in fact] the main consumer of numbering space was the CLECs. At one point CLECs could request a whole 10,000 block of numbers even if they were only going to use several hundred. It's only now with thousands block assignments that number assignments have dwindled. Number portability also plays into it. The economy also has had an effect on numbers assigned as well.
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:57:45 +0000 (UTC) From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Area code 533 assigned for personal communications services Message-ID: <hcfcv9$s1d$6@news.albasani.net> Joseph Singer <joeofseattle@yahoo.com> wrote: >Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:19:55 -0400 John Stahl <aljon@stny.rr.com> wrote: >> Of course we all know now that the FCC had no idea how large this >> service would grow and that they would have to put together new NPA >> plans with over-lays, etc. to ultimately cover the demand for >> telephone numbers in each NPA area until where we find ourselves >> today. > No matter how many times people repeat [the claim] that the main > reason for overlays was people using technology like cell phones, > fax machines, 'computer' lines or teenager additional lines, [in > fact] the main consumer of numbering space was the CLECs. At one > point CLECs could request a whole 10,000 block of numbers even if > they were only going to use several hundred. It's only now with > thousands block assignments that number assignments have > dwindled. Number portability also plays into it. The economy also > has had an effect on numbers assigned as well. Isn't number portability actually a more efficient use of numbering space? That way, if a caller migrates from a land line to a cell phone or CLEC, then it's a number used out of the original pool, not the expanded pool of numbers assigned to that exchange on behalf of other phone companies. And then, if as much of the expanded pool is reclaimed as possible, perhaps that frees up numbering blocks for assignment elsewhere for actual increased demand for line number assignment.
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:07:54 +0000 (UTC) From: danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Area code 533 assigned for personal communications services Message-ID: <hcfdia$h3c$1@reader1.panix.com> In <592833.65730.qm@web52712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Joseph Singer <joeofseattle@yahoo.com> writes: > No matter how many times people repeat [the claim] that the main > reason for overlays was people using technology like cell phones, > fax machines, 'computer' lines or teenager additional lines, [in > fact] the main consumer of numbering space was the CLECs. True for the most part, but in some areas the locals really were running out of numbers... For example, in NYC where the "212" area code was initially all five boroughs, they had to split into "212" and "718". And when cellular service begand reaching the masses there was the addition of "917". (The later area code overlays in NYC were more due to that semi-artificial scarcity you described). -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:57:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Horne <hornetd@gmail.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: 911 flaw delayed help to attack victim Message-ID: <a1d929f4-db1c-4267-9c0e-9c2780780c5d@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> On Oct 29, 11:39 am, hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: > The following is a disturbing story.  The Newark NJ Star Ledger > reported that the victim of an attack dialed 911 for help, but > apparently the 911 center was unable to determine the location of the > call.  It was not clear whether the 911 center had the technology to > do so, or [if] there was a flaw [in] it.  Perhaps others more familiar > with modern 911 operation can elaborate. > > For full article please see: > http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/base/news-15/12567813... [Moderator snip] > > ***** Moderator's Note ***** > [Moderator snip] > > The problem is not caused by cell phones: it's caused by the > unrealistic expectations we have regarding what is and is not possible > in public-safety responses. The TV-viewing public has adopted a > fantasy where it expects a telephone to transform into a trained and > well-equiped and well-supported public safety professional in the > blink of an eye, all the while forgetting the basic imperatives of > distance and time. Municipal managers have endorsed electronics as the > "magic bullet" which cures all ills, and have placed poorly trained > call-takers in positions where experienced police officers and/or > firefighters would be more effective. The results have been > foreseeable. > > Bill Horne > Moderator Notice that at least one of the quoted law makers does understand the biggest part of the problem, which is the diversion of 911 fees to uses that have nothing to do with handling emergency telephone calls well. It is so much easier for a politician to pay for the PSAP staffing with the [911] fees then it is for them to do that out of the general fund and use the fees to pay for new equipment and software. If they do the first one they can save the library hours that people are screaming about; if they do the latter they have to bear up under the attacks from the people who wanted them to "cut the fat, not their macrame class." That last is an actual quote from a call I answered as a relief dispatcher in Davis California shortly after proposition Thirteen passed by an overwhelming margin. To that caller the closing of the recreation center for nights and weekends was a travesty and not a foreseeable result of her voting to cut the towns property tax revenue in half. -- Tom Horne
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:03:47 +0000 From: Adam Sampson <ats@offog.org> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Area code 533 assigned for personal communications services Message-ID: <y2aws2cly98.fsf@cartman.at.offog.org> Wesrock@aol.com writes: > Of course, Europe is generally caller-pays so I don't think any cell > phone number could be a viable alternative as a number someone could > use to call a local business. This is certainly not the case -- mobile numbers are now the norm for small businesses in the UK. Remember that the vast majority of people are calling from a mobile in the first place, and the majority of the calls they make (and, more likely, text messages they send) are to other mobile phones already... -- Adam Sampson <ats@offog.org> <http://offog.org/>
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:42:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph Singer <joeofseattle@yahoo.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: White Pages may fall victim of technology Message-ID: <151366.53976.qm@web52710.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Booster seats. Door stops. Fodder for papier-mache projects. It seems those thick phone books that land on most folks' doorsteps each year get used for just about everything except locating phone numbers. If some state and local lawmakers have their way, however, even those uses would go by the wayside. Under legislation they hope to take to Sacramento in January, state Sen. Leland Yee, D-San Francisco, and Millbrae Councilwoman Gina Papan would bar phone companies from producing and distributing White Pages unless people choose to receive it. "All of us know in these cost-conscious times, with growing awareness of the environment, that we need to make sure we don't waste resources," Yee said during a news conference at Millbrae City Hall on Thursday morning. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/10/29/BALL1ACEQ8.DTL&feed=rss.technology (Alternative, shorter URL) http://bit.ly/2Hvq24
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