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Volume 28 : Issue 249 : "text" Format
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Re: Dr. James Marsters, TTY deaf service developer
Re: Dr. James Marsters, TTY deaf service developer
Re: Dr. James Marsters, TTY deaf service developer
Re: Dr. James Marsters, TTY deaf service developer
Re: Dr. James Marsters, TTY deaf service developer
Re: Where Have You Gone, Bell Labs?
Re: Dr. James Marsters, TTY deaf service developer
Re: Heavy Data Use Puts a Strain on AT&T Service
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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 11:21:19 -0500
From: pv+usenet@pobox.com (PV)
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Dr. James Marsters, TTY deaf service developer
Message-ID: <gMqdndCF1pDiGTvXnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@supernews.com>
>Bill Horne <bill@horneQRM.net> wrote:
>Ward Christensen probably remembers me to this day: I kept pestering
>him to turn off the echo on the connections so that I wouldn't see
>every character I typed showing up twice. When I finally got my H-89
>built and dialed into CBBS with a "real" computer running 300 Baud, he
>broke in and typed "Hey, Speedy!". ;-)
Ward (and Randy Suess) had a long history of randomly breaking into CBBS
sessions with comments (and not nice ones if it was Randy and you were
doing something he didn't like). They were/are interesting guys. *
--
* PV Something like badgers, something like lizards, and something
like corkscrews.
***** Moderator's Note *****
It's a shame that the World Wide Wait pushed bulletin boards aside:
IMNSHO, it was better to have small machines that dealt with a local
audience and had someone to mind them.
The Internet, or at least the Web, has turned into an advertising
vehicle, and if you're not buying, the commercial site owners aren't
interested in helping you. Yes, there are exceptions, but they're not
the rule.
Bill Horne
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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 11:26:24 -0700
From: Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Dr. James Marsters, TTY deaf service developer
Message-ID: <h867kl$dos$1@news.eternal-september.org>
PV wrote:
>> Bill Horne <bill@horneQRM.net> wrote:
>> Ward Christensen probably remembers me to this day: I kept pestering
>> him to turn off the echo on the connections so that I wouldn't see
>> every character I typed showing up twice. When I finally got my H-89
>> built and dialed into CBBS with a "real" computer running 300 Baud, he
>> broke in and typed "Hey, Speedy!". ;-)
>
> Ward (and Randy Suess) had a long history of randomly breaking into CBBS
> sessions with comments (and not nice ones if it was Randy and you were
> doing something he didn't like). They were/are interesting guys. *
> --
> * PV Something like badgers, something like lizards, and something
> like corkscrews.
>
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> It's a shame that the World Wide Wait pushed bulletin boards aside:
> IMNSHO, it was better to have small machines that dealt with a local
> audience and had someone to mind them.
>
> The Internet, or at least the Web, has turned into an advertising
> vehicle, and if you're not buying, the commercial site owners aren't
> interested in helping you. Yes, there are exceptions, but they're not
> the rule.
>
> Bill Horne
I fired up my Apple II with my GBBS, I'll be off until next year so I'll
have time to work on it and getting it online again.
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The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today?
(c) 2009 I Kill Spammers, inc, A Rot in Hell. Co.
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 02:43:40 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Dr. James Marsters, TTY deaf service developer
Message-ID: <h874os$a7c$1@news.albasani.net>
PV <pv+usenet@pobox.com> wrote:
> Ward (and Randy Suess) had a long history of randomly breaking into
> CBBS sessions with comments (and not nice ones if it was Randy and
> you were >doing something he didn't like). They were/are interesting
> guys.
When were you on CBBS?
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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 11:41:30 -0500
From: pv+usenet@pobox.com (PV)
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Dr. James Marsters, TTY deaf service developer
Message-ID: <sZqdnVt78pmnFDvXnZ2dnUVZ_oFi4p2d@supernews.com>
bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) writes:
>When the hobby market developed, *then* things got seriously messy.
>If a computer was connected to a modem, it needed to look like DTE,
>because the modem was DCE. If it was connected to a terminal (or a
>printer, or, ....) it needed to look like DCE, because that 'other
>device' was hard-wired as DTE.
And you had computers that didn't set some of the lines right, so you might
use carefully-spliced cables (or a gadget from radio shack with jumpers and
opposite-gender connectors on both ends) to duplicate signals. And null
modem adapters. And gender changers. And then they added 9 pin serial...
I used to have a kit of cables and dongles to cover every possibility so I
could later go back and make a proper cable, and it was NOT a small kit. *
--
* PV Something like badgers, something like lizards, and something
like corkscrews.
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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:01:12 -0500
From: Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Dr. James Marsters, TTY deaf service developer
Message-ID: <TIudnURAuIZvcjvXnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@posted.visi>
PV wrote:
> bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) writes:
>> When the hobby market developed, *then* things got seriously messy.
>> If a computer was connected to a modem, it needed to look like DTE,
>> because the modem was DCE. If it was connected to a terminal (or a
>> printer, or, ....) it needed to look like DCE, because that 'other
>> device' was hard-wired as DTE.
>
> And you had computers that didn't set some of the lines right, so you might
> use carefully-spliced cables (or a gadget from radio shack with jumpers and
> opposite-gender connectors on both ends) to duplicate signals. And null
> modem adapters. And gender changers. And then they added 9 pin serial...
I once let the magic smoke out of a $1000 printer because it never
occurred to me that a product designer would have wired a power source
into a RS232 connector. The printer wasn't working, then I noticed a
wisp of smoke literally coming out of it. I think the offending
instrument was a Morrow MD-2 computer, which had two female DB25
outputs connectors, one DCE and the other DTE (a terminal connected to
one, and your choice of modem, printer, or A-B switch connected to the
other).
> I used to have a kit of cables and dongles to cover every possibility so I
> could later go back and make a proper cable, and it was NOT a small kit. *
Gosh, I haven't used my "christmas tree" or little jumper box in
years. I don't miss it at all.
Dave
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Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 01:00:50 GMT
From: "Tony Toews \[MVP\]" <ttoews@telusplanet.net>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Where Have You Gone, Bell Labs?
Message-ID: <0dvda555cs3ob7s8m5eunl0jbkn6oh2j25@4ax.com>
T <kd1s.nospam@cox.nospam.net> wrote:
>And the antenna is about six feet high - too big to use in a car!
Some radio amateurs are indeed using seven foot tall antennas atlhough admittedly on
minivans.
"The SG-307 is a 7 foot marine and mobile whip antenna for operation from 1.8 to
60MHz. An automatic antenna coupler, such as an SGC Smartuner is required for
operation. The antenna is supplied with an optional 4-way stainless steel swivel
ratchet mount and reinforced base spring. Loaded frequencies are 8 and 25 MHz and
maximum output power is 150W PEP or CW. When ordered with the mount, kit includes 3
feet of high voltage wire, a wall feed-thru bushing and a 3 foot ground strap for
coupler grounding. "
http://www.sgcworld.com/whipantProductPage.html
Gotta watch out for trees or gas stations though.
Tony
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Tony's Main MS Access pages - http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 10:31:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Dr. James Marsters, TTY deaf service developer
Message-ID: <a8e13ebc-9437-4cba-8de4-f19088b7e28b@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com>
On Sep 8, 12:40 am, "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> Hah! You date things from CBBS! Traditionally, we celebrate the
> anniversary of February 16, 1978, although it probably went live a week
> or two earlier.
Would anyone know what platform this BBS used?
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> Ward Christensen probably remembers me to this day: I kept pestering
> him to turn off the echo on the connections so that I wouldn't see
> every character I typed showing up twice. When I finally got my H-89
> built and dialed into CBBS with a "real" computer running 300 Baud, he
> broke in and typed "Hey, Speedy!". ;-)
Sounds like you should've been transmitting in full duplex. Most
modems and terminals had a switch somewhere to set the duplex, though
sometimes the switch was tiny and hard to find.
Regarding the possibility of your Teletype machine being multi-use
(able to do TWX tones and dial-up tones), it was not uncommon in the
Bell System for the "under the hood" components to be upgraded even if
the unit remained the same on the outside. The last models of the 500
set were very different than the first models for that reason*, though
they looked nearly the same.
I'm speculating here, but given the time frame--late 1970s--perhaps
the TTY in the toll office was upgraded so that it could do double-
duty, indeed, given the growing data traffic of that time, it's likely
it would be a very useful function. (Of course, maybe the TWX/dial-up
tones were the same all along.)
* In their 25 year lifespan, the dial, network, ringer, transmitter,
and receiver were all redesigned and improved.
***** Moderator's Note *****
Given that it was a company machine and was in daily use for other
things, I didn't feel it would be a good idea to alter its settings:
there was no switch (I looked), so I had to eenndduurree.
I really doubt that components used in the machine were upgraded: it
was a TWX machine in all but name, and it even had a card dialer. I
used it to test TWX lines on a couple of occasions - it never occurred
to the WU techs that anyone could do that, so it was a very good tool
for proving troubles back to them when they claimed a fault was in our
network.
In addition to Ward Christensen's CBBS, I also used it to connect to
the Heath User Group BBS in Massachusetts. The modem worked on both
BBS and TWX connections, without any noticeable change in tone during
the setup handshake.
Long story short, I don't think there was ever a different tone set
for machines used on TWX vs. those used on the PSTN. If there ever was
a different tone set, I'd like to hear from those who can clear up the
mystery.
Bill Horne
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Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 00:55:59 GMT
From: "Tony Toews \[MVP\]" <ttoews@telusplanet.net>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Heavy Data Use Puts a Strain on AT&T Service
Message-ID: <j2vda51k3k6j3ogjagidg70nfb5kv2a1lp@4ax.com>
Jim Haynes <jhaynes@cavern.uark.edu> wrote:
> So history repeats itself...back in the early days of computer time
> sharing the phone companies complained because the holding times on
> data calls were so much longer than was typical for voice calls.
> This required additional trunks and switches in the central offices
> to maintain service quality.
In 1979 I was a summer student doing programming. We would spent
hours on the phone telling customers exactly what to punch character
by character as we made changes via voice. If there were too many
changes then we'd courier the 8" floppy. We would regularly hit this
2 hour limitation when talking from Winnipeg to Thunder Bay.
Now that I think about it Thunder Bay was/is it's own telco. Most of
our other customers were in Manitoba so that may account for the
difference.
(Side note: When I mentioned to my mother that I might have to make a
business trip to Thurnder Bay she said, in a dreamy sort of voice,
"You were conceived in Thunder Bay.". Dad was a drywaller then and
they spent the first year they were married there.)
Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Tony's Main MS Access pages - http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
Granite Fleet Manager http://www.granitefleet.com/
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