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Volume 28 : Issue 194 : "text" Format
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Re: 660 comm panels
Re: 660 comm panels
When Texting Is Wrong
Re: When Texting Is Wrong
Re: When Texting Is Wrong
Re: When Texting Is Wrong
Re: When Texting Is Wrong
Re: When Texting Is Wrong
Re: 911 service center troubles
Re: 911 service center troubles
Re: 911 service center troubles
Re: 911 service center troubles
Re: 911 service center troubles
Re: Manual Offices (re: Community Dial Offices)
Re: Manual Offices (re: Community Dial Offices)
Re: Manual Offices (re: Community Dial Offices)
Re: 911 service center troubles
Re: 911 service center troubles
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:52:22 -0500
From: "John F. Morse" <john@example.invalid>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: 660 comm panels
Message-ID: <h3jna6$2rq$1@optima5.xanadu-bbs.net>
Andrew Carey wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> I looked around for the 660 Comm Panel drawings, but all I could find
> were the interconnect (T) drawings. The LG lead isn't spelled out, but
> does show that each line's LG lead should be brought out into the
> (amphenol) connector when multipled with other comm panels in KTU use
> (specifically for a 1A1 or 1A2 system), and not strapped together at
> each panel. I couldn't find any SD drawings to see if the LGs were
> strapped together in those within the panel.
>
> I did find the 1A2 SD drawings and while they do not breakdown the LG
> meaning either, it does show the LG leads into the 1A2 wired to ground.
>
"LG" = "Lamp Ground."
The 1A1 and later KTS specified separate LG leads for each line pickup.
Prior to this, there was one common LG lead for all lamp ground returns.
The higher current, when more than one lamp was illuminated, created
additional voltage drop, causing lamps to dim.
--
John
***** Moderator's Note *****
The question, then, is how and when the "Lamp Gain" meme crept into
the technician's world-view, and why. As I said, I don't know if it
was widespread, or limited to the Boston area; for historical
accuracy, I'd like to hear from installers and repairmen who have
first-hand knowledge.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:09:58 -0400
From: T <kd1s.nospam@cox.nospam.net>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: 660 comm panels
Message-ID: <MPG.24c81dbf6c42a0bc989ae7@news.eternal-september.org>
In article <h3jna6$2rq$1@optima5.xanadu-bbs.net>, john@example.invalid
says...
>
> Andrew Carey wrote:
> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > I looked around for the 660 Comm Panel drawings, but all I could find
> > were the interconnect (T) drawings. The LG lead isn't spelled out, but
> > does show that each line's LG lead should be brought out into the
> > (amphenol) connector when multipled with other comm panels in KTU use
> > (specifically for a 1A1 or 1A2 system), and not strapped together at
> > each panel. I couldn't find any SD drawings to see if the LGs were
> > strapped together in those within the panel.
> >
> > I did find the 1A2 SD drawings and while they do not breakdown the LG
> > meaning either, it does show the LG leads into the 1A2 wired to ground.
> >
>
> "LG" = "Lamp Ground."
>
> The 1A1 and later KTS specified separate LG leads for each line pickup.
>
> Prior to this, there was one common LG lead for all lamp ground returns.
> The higher current, when more than one lamp was illuminated, created
> additional voltage drop, causing lamps to dim.
I remember that from when I was a kid. Back in the day my mother worked
in the book keeping side for Zayre's. They had a 1A1 system there and
when more than a couple of lines were in use they'd get all get very
dim.
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:06:47 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: When Texting Is Wrong
Message-ID: <p0624080ec68313db8f3d@[10.0.1.3]>
The Moral of the Story - The Ethicist's take on the news
When Texting Is Wrong
By Randy Cohen
July 13, 2009, 11:50 pm
The Issue:
You're having dinner with your teenage kids, and they text throughout:
you hate it; they're fine with it. At the office, managers are
uncertain about texting during business meetings: many younger workers
accept it; some older workers resist. Those who defend texting regard
such encounters as the clash of two legitimate cultures, a conflict of
manners not morals. If a community - teenagers, young workers -
consents to conduct that does no harm, does that make it O.K.,
ethically speaking?
...
http://ethicist.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/13/when-texting-is-wrong
***** Moderator's Note *****
This touches on so many "hot buttons" that I'm having my asbestos
long-johns taken out of winter storage. ;-)
Let's see - just off the top of my head -
1. The "real" effectiveness of business meetings. Do younger workers
see them as a tribal ritual that requires only their presence
rather than their participation?
2. Generation gaps: are elder workers miffed that texters aren't
content to become iron-butt bureaucrats like them?
3. Genuine social change: do texters have a better grasp of the
international business climate than elders? Is texting an
acceptable practice in other, less hidebound countries?
4. Are they texting as a social differentiator that bonds them to
their peers? Is it an electronic nosing of their thumbs from a
generation which has never had to rely on its leaders for any
important decision?
5. Might it be a fad that will die out like Pet Rocks and Palm Pilots
and paper organizers?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Bill Horne
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:30:48 -0700
From: Thad Floryan <thad@thadlabs.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: When Texting Is Wrong
Message-ID: <4A5DDA08.2030701@thadlabs.com>
On 7/15/2009 6:07 AM, Monty Solomon wrote:
> The Moral of the Story - The Ethicist's take on the news
>
> When Texting Is Wrong
> [...]
> http://ethicist.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/13/when-texting-is-wrong
>
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> This touches on so many "hot buttons" that I'm having my asbestos
> long-johns taken out of winter storage. ;-)
>
> Let's see - just off the top of my head -
>
> [...]
> 5. Might it be a fad that will die out like Pet Rocks and Palm Pilots
> and paper organizers?
We can hope. :-)
> Inquiring minds want to know!
I consider it and similar things (e.g., twittering) about as useless
and time wasting as the scenario portrayed in this cartoon:
http://thadlabs.com/PIX/Bizarro_20081129.gif
I also consider people who interrupt a face-to-face conversation to
answer any random and non-important call on their cellphone to be rude
and boorish. I always turn off my ringer when I'm with people in a
social setting; the fetish people have to be "connected" 24/7 almost
seems to be an (mental) illness.
***** Moderator's Note *****
May I take it then, that you agree with my feeling that texting during
a meeting is a way to snub others and advertise that you don't feel
the thing they're talking about is important?
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:57:52 -0700
From: Steven Lichter <diespammers@killspammers.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: When Texting Is Wrong
Message-ID: <h3l1qi$sqt$1@news.eternal-september.org>
Thad Floryan wrote:
> On 7/15/2009 6:07 AM, Monty Solomon wrote:
>> The Moral of the Story - The Ethicist's take on the news
>>
>> When Texting Is Wrong
>> [...]
>> http://ethicist.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/13/when-texting-is-wrong
>>
>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>>
>> This touches on so many "hot buttons" that I'm having my asbestos
>> long-johns taken out of winter storage. ;-)
>>
>> Let's see - just off the top of my head -
>>
>> [...]
>> 5. Might it be a fad that will die out like Pet Rocks and Palm Pilots
>> and paper organizers?
>
> We can hope. :-)
>
>> Inquiring minds want to know!
>
> I consider it and similar things (e.g., twittering) about as useless
> and time wasting as the scenario portrayed in this cartoon:
>
> http://thadlabs.com/PIX/Bizarro_20081129.gif
>
> I also consider people who interrupt a face-to-face conversation to
> answer any random and non-important call on their cellphone to be rude
> and boorish. I always turn off my ringer when I'm with people in a
> social setting; the fetish people have to be "connected" 24/7 almost
> seems to be an (mental) illness.
>
>
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> May I take it then, that you agree with my feeling that texting during
> a meeting is a way to snub others and advertise that you don't feel
> the thing they're talking about is important?
I see no use in texting or tweeting, I [always] ignore and then delete text
messages, most are spammers/scammers. When I'm off of work I turn my
cell phone off, though I have been blasted for that since we are subject
to call. When I'm in the car or out, I just let it go to voice mail and
the ringer is off. I have been using a cellular phone since 1984 and to
me it is just a telephone you can carry with you. The cellular
companies are just pushing this extras to make money; just like all the
added features on landlines; of with CID and maybe call waiting, still
not sure about that.
--
The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today?
(c) 2009 I Kill Spammers, inc, A Rot in Hell. Co.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:11:04 -0700
From: Thad Floryan <thad@thadlabs.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: When Texting Is Wrong
Message-ID: <4A5E7018.6080809@thadlabs.com>
On 7/15/2009 9:42 AM, Thad Floryan wrote:
> On 7/15/2009 6:07 AM, Monty Solomon wrote:
>> The Moral of the Story - The Ethicist's take on the news
>>
>> When Texting Is Wrong
>> [...]
>
> I consider it and similar things (e.g., twittering) about as useless
> and time wasting as the scenario portrayed in this cartoon:
>
> http://thadlabs.com/PIX/Bizarro_20081129.gif
>
> I also consider people who interrupt a face-to-face conversation to
> answer any random and non-important call on their cellphone to be rude
> and boorish. I always turn off my ringer when I'm with people in a
> social setting; the fetish people have to be "connected" 24/7 almost
> seems to be an (mental) illness.
>
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> May I take it then, that you agree with my feeling that texting during
> a meeting is a way to snub others and advertise that you don't feel
> the thing they're talking about is important?
In case it wasn't obvious, definitely YES, we are in full agreement!
I'm not a Luddite:
1. I was probably one of the first to have HDTV in the USA in the mid-1990s
via gear I imported from Japan and Hong Kong using MUSE HiVision laserdiscs
(see: http://thadlabs.com/LD_info/).
2. early adopter of cellphones (1992). I also take care of my gear having had
only 3 instruments since then: Motorola MicroTAC Elite (until its batteries
were impossible to find), Nokia <something> (until its batteries became
scarce), and presently a Motorola RAZR V3 (for its tiny size, photo/movie
capability, and the fact it can display email such as overtemp/system-down
warnings from computers under my purview).
3. probably one of the first to have home computers (beginning with the MITS
Altair in the 1970s, same for home networks (AT&T StarLAN), same for home
UNIX systems (AT&T 3B1/UNIXPC/PC7300), same for home Linux systems, up to
today with nearly 50 computers at home running UNIX, Solaris, several Win
systems including Windows 7, etc. including home broadband microwave as you
can see here (http://thadlabs.com/PIX/LX200) until the FCC reallocated the
spectrum and I had to go cable (presently at DOCSIS 3.0), etc.
4. one of the first to use world-wide email in the 1960s over networks provided
by Tymshare, ITT, etc (slow, though, at 110baud on a TTY ASR33 :-)
5. on the ARPANET in 1972/1973, able to use, for example, the Rutherford High
Energy Labs' IBM 360/195 (70 miles north of London UK) from my home in
Silicon Valley
5. hi-tech hobbies (astronomy, computer/electronic design, etc.)
6. etc etc etc
Point being: technology is great and I helped create some of it, but I'm not
obsessed with it and I have a normal life and interact with people, mostly
face-to-face.
What I see happening nowadays, however, has me believing the younger folks are
pining to be in the MATRIX and they're just using everything imaginable to be
"connected" until the day brain-implanted Internet connectivity arrives, at
which point they will be totally disconnected from humanity and reality.
:-)
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:32:12 +0100
From: Peter R Cook <PCook@wisty.plus.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: When Texting Is Wrong
Message-ID: <ZOkqrBDsCiXKFwId@wisty.plus.com>
In message <p0624080ec68313db8f3d@[10.0.1.3]>, Monty Solomon
<monty@roscom.com> writes
>
>The Moral of the Story - The Ethicist's take on the news
>
>When Texting Is Wrong
>
>By Randy Cohen
>July 13, 2009, 11:50 pm
>
>The Issue:
>
>You're having dinner with your teenage kids, and they text throughout:
>you hate it; they're fine with it. At the office, managers are
>uncertain about texting during business meetings: many younger workers
>accept it; some older workers resist. Those who defend texting regard
>such encounters as the clash of two legitimate cultures, a conflict of
>manners not morals. If a community - teenagers, young workers -
>consents to conduct that does no harm, does that make it O.K.,
>ethically speaking?
>
>...
>
>http://ethicist.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/13/when-texting-is-wrong/
>
>
>***** Moderator's Note *****
>
>This touches on so many "hot buttons" that I'm having my asbestos
>long-johns taken out of winter storage. ;-)
>
>Let's see - just off the top of my head -
>
>1. The "real" effectiveness of business meetings. Do younger workers
> see them as a tribal ritual that requires only their presence
> rather than their participation?
>
>2. Generation gaps: are elder workers miffed that texters aren't
> content to become iron-butt bureaucrats like them?
>
>3. Genuine social change: do texters have a better grasp of the
> international business climate than elders? Is texting an
> acceptable practice in other, less hidebound countries?
>
>4. Are they texting as a social differentiator that bonds them to
> their peers? Is it an electronic nosing of their thumbs from a
> generation which has never had to rely on its leaders for any
> important decision?
>
>5. Might it be a fad that will die out like Pet Rocks and Palm Pilots
> and paper organizers?
>
>Inquiring minds want to know!
>
>Bill Horne
>
Texting is no different from any other form of inattention to people
with whom you are (nominally) interacting. It's perhaps easier for
(younger) subordinates to do today, but it has always happened.
Over the years I have suffered from (and done so myself at times!)
senior managers
Reading the papers for the next agenda item while I was presenting
Signing letters previously typed by their secretary
Processing mail (one manager was notorious for carrying his in-basket
into meetings and working through it during the meeting).
Sitting processing e-mails on a laptop
Taking (wired) phone calls from their family and friends
etc. etc. etc.
All of which display a lack of interest in and attention to the people
you are with at the time.
There are two ways to deal with it - depending on your level of power
and influence, and your self confidence.
1) stop the meeting until they have finished - sitting very quietly and
watching for them to finish before carrying on works well in my
experience.
2) Ask them to leave
3) Wind up the meeting as being a waste of time.
4) Leave yourself
5) Get used to it and deal with the people who are interested.
6) Learn to grab and keep people's attention so that they are really
interested in what you have to say.
When lecturing I usually use 1) first (telling the rest of the students
why I am stopping lecturing) and then apply 2) to persistent offenders -
but then as lecturer the power is with me
--
Peter R Cook
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:40:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: When Texting Is Wrong
Message-ID: <f9f79428-8a2b-401c-982a-82ec293596a5@24g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
On Jul 15, 9:07 am, Monty Solomon <mo...@roscom.com> wrote:
> You're having dinner with your teenage kids, and they text throughout:
> you hate it; they're fine with it. At the office, managers are
> uncertain about texting during business meetings: many younger workers
> accept it; some older workers resist. Those who defend texting regard
> such encounters as the clash of two legitimate cultures, a conflict of
> manners not morals. If a community - teenagers, young workers -
> consents to conduct that does no harm, does that make it O.K.,
> ethically speaking?
When I was a kid* we learned manners from both parents and school.
Most manners made sense, but some were rules to be followed because
they were rules to be followed, not that they made any sense. So it
goes.
One strict rule was that no phone calls during meal time. If a friend
called you had to tell him you were eating and would call them back
later. My parents wouldn't let me make calls between 5 pm and 7 pm
because that was dinner time and I might interrupt another family.
Dinner interruptions were not appreciated; sometimes a parent would
coldly say "we're having dinner!"
I don't see any difference between talking on the phone and texting.
If a kid is at dinner, IMHO it is rude if they are texting.
*FWIW, I think kids today are more polite to their elders than we were
back in the "don't trust anyone over 30" days.)
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
> 1. The "real" effectiveness of business meetings. Do younger workers
> see them as a tribal ritual that requires only their presence
> rather than their participation?
Irrelevent. As an oldster, I see many business meetings as a huge
waste of time (not counting, of course, the ones I lead.) <g>
But when the boss says you go to a meeting, you go and suffer through
it, that is what you're getting paid for.
> 2. Generation gaps: are elder workers miffed that texters aren't
> content to become iron-butt bureaucrats like them?
I frankly think there is much less of a generation gap today between
old and young than years ago when I was starting out. The baby boomer
generation often went out of its way to aggravate oldsters. The baby
boomers thought they knew the answer to everything while the oldsters
were uneducated backwards Archie Bunkers. It seems youth today really
respect the oldsters for their experience and are much more open
minded toward learning. (If not, they at least keep their discontent
quietly to themselves. How young people treat _each other_ is a
different subject.)
> 3. Genuine social change: do texters have a better grasp of the
> international business climate than elders? Is texting an
> acceptable practice in other, less hidebound countries?
"When in Rome . . .". I have no idea what texting manners are
elsewhere; and I do believe telephone manners are different in other
countries, always were. But in the U.S. it's rude.
> 4. Are they texting as a social differentiator that bonds them to
> their peers? Is it an electronic nosing of their thumbs from a
> generation which has never had to rely on its leaders for any
> important decision?
Not at all. If they had it when we were kids we'd [have] dived into
it. Anyway, plenty of adults text now, too.
> 5. Might it be a fad that will die out like Pet Rocks and Palm Pilots
> and paper organizers?
Who knows. Kids like to stay connected. In my elders' day they hung
around the corner candy store to be near the phone. In my day we used
the phone a lot, running up big bills, and the wealthy got their own
phone lines. It will probably stick around until something else comes
along to replace it. Kids sure seem addicted to it, though. It
amazes me how I see a group of kids walking together down the street,
but each engrossed on the cell phone.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:59:13 -0700
From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: 911 service center troubles
Message-ID: <57f7m.4184$zq1.1538@newsfe22.iad>
Wesrock@aol.com wrote:
>
>>Basic 911 goes way back when it was merrly a dial shortcut in cities
>
Until the early 1980s my town (San Clemente, CA) was in its own Pacific
Telephone exchange. 911 routed calls directly to our local police
department's dispatch desk with none of the enhancements of E911. The
northern 20% of the town was in another exchange so they were
periodically informed to dial the 7-digit emergency number.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:12:09 -0400
From: T <kd1s.nospam@cox.nospam.net>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: 911 service center troubles
Message-ID: <MPG.24c81e408b64568a989ae8@news.eternal-september.org>
In article <57f7m.4184$zq1.1538@newsfe22.iad>, sam@coldmail.com says...
>
> Wesrock@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >>Basic 911 goes way back when it was merrly a dial shortcut in cities
> >
>
>
> Until the early 1980s my town (San Clemente, CA) was in its own Pacific
> Telephone exchange. 911 routed calls directly to our local police
> department's dispatch desk with none of the enhancements of E911. The
> northern 20% of the town was in another exchange so they were
> periodically informed to dial the 7-digit emergency number.
RI has had E-911 state wide since the mid 1980's. And because of the way
they structured the E-911 system they made it easy for other carriers to
tap into the E-911 system.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:02:19 -0500 (CDT)
From: jsw <jsw@ivgate.omahug.org>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: 911 service center troubles
Message-ID: <200907152002.n6FK2JKW082436@ivgate.omahug.org>
>In the mid 1960s NYC oganized all police dispatch (let's not talk
>about fire...) into one office, using a single seven digit phone
>number.
>(Ok, you old timers, dust off those memory cells.)
{dusting off old rusty memory cells and showing my real age}
440-1234. ;-)
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:22:20 EDT
From: Wesrock@aol.com
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: 911 service center troubles
Message-ID: <ca2.51abd413.378fccbc@aol.com>
In a message dated 7/14/2009 7:08:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
> Before the 1960s person-to-person calls were very common for
> businesses. Charging did not start until the desired party came to
> the phone and the conversation began. Into the 1950s many people
> placed a call by name "get me Joe Smith in Kansas City", which meant
> the local toll operator had to first call directory, then make the
> actual call. The telephone compnay pushed "call by number" and
> later "call by area code and number".
During a strike when managers were called on to work th switchboards,
I once handled a person-to-person call collect to someone started
somewhere south along the Mississippi River and was referred again and
again to places serially north along the river (complete with
telephone number) and finally reached him at a pay phone well up the
river and he immediately accepted it on a Bell credit card.
That kind of service went with person-to-person calls. People trying
to locate someone for business reasons (and perhaps other reasons)
would call for a person by name and give several numbers in different
places to try. At some of those numbers you might find people with
further information about where to try.
I very valuable resource for people in some lines of business.
Wes Leatherock
wesrock@aol.com
wleathus@yahoo.com
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:24:33 EDT
From: Wesrock@aol.com
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: 911 service center troubles
Message-ID: <d18.4afa66d3.378fcd41@aol.com>
In a message dated 7/14/2009 7:09:47 PM Central Daylight Time,
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
> However, local rates were going up, and some claimed local service
> was cross subsidizing long distance service.
It was, for intrastate L.D. calls, and there was no secret about it.
State commissions not only were OK with it, most of them insisted on
it.
Wes Leatherock
wesrock@aol.com
wleathus@yahoo.com
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:27:59 +0000 (UTC)
From: snorwood@redballoon.net (Scott Norwood)
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Manual Offices (re: Community Dial Offices)
Message-ID: <h3klgv$890$1@reader1.panix.com>
>***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> I want to have at least _one_ Magneto telephone _somewhere_. It's
> something we have to do: like the Field Of Dreams, if we build it,
> they will come. Somewhere in North America there has to be a
> desolate outpost which still has a crank on the phone, and all we
> need to do is find it, find a switchboard that can serve it, and
> we're there.
The Telephone Museum in Ellsworth, ME. has a setup with a few
magneto telephones and a small switchboard on which calls can be
placed. It isn't connected to the PSTN, however.
(They also have a functioning #3 crossbar, a #5 crossbar under
restoration, a step-by-step exchange, and a bunch of other stuff
worth seeing.)
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:48:11 +0000 (UTC)
From: Koos van den Hout <koos+newsposting@kzdoos.xs4all.nl>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Manual Offices (re: Community Dial Offices)
Message-ID: <h3l89b$qmm$4@kzdoos.xs4all.nl>
Scott Norwood <snorwood@redballoon.net> wrote in <h3klgv$890$1@reader1.panix.com>:
>>***** Moderator's Note *****
>>
>> I want to have at least _one_ Magneto telephone _somewhere_. It's
>> something we have to do: like the Field Of Dreams, if we build it,
>> they will come. Somewhere in North America there has to be a
>> desolate outpost which still has a crank on the phone, and all we
>> need to do is find it, find a switchboard that can serve it, and
>> we're there.
> The Telephone Museum in Ellsworth, ME. has a setup with a few
> magneto telephones and a small switchboard on which calls can be
> placed. It isn't connected to the PSTN, however.
Telephone museums like this one and telecom digest readers interested in
playing with old phones might be interested in the 'Collectors Network'
(abbreviated C*Net) which tries to connect old phone equipment via modern
means (PCs with asterisk and broadband connections).
Information via http://www.ckts.info/
I'm a fan of C*Net. The biggest collection of old and new speaking clocks
to play with! ;)
Koos van den Hout
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:46:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Manual Offices (re: Community Dial Offices)
Message-ID: <cfa2d3b7-a16f-42f3-a47e-707cee922a9d@24g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
On Jul 15, 12:36 pm, snorw...@redballoon.net (Scott Norwood) wrote:
> The Telephone Museum in Ellsworth, ME. has a setup with a few
> magneto telephones and a small switchboard on which calls can be
> placed. It isn't connected to the PSTN, however.
At the Lancaster, PA, TCI phone show recently they had demos of SxS,
panel, and crossbar where you could watch your call work itself way
through. It was amazing how fast the relays worked--there was a lot
of things going on, even on step, 'behind the scenes' as you dialed.
There's a King of Prussia, PA, ATCA phone show in August, but I don't
know if the demos will be there.
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:38:23 -0500
From: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi)
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: 911 service center troubles
Message-ID: <G6ydnbPKjaCSicPXnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@posted.nuvoxcommunications>
In article <76e16dab-5980-4e1b-8a61-13b5c943d980@b14g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
<hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>On Jul 14, 1:23 pm, Wesr...@aol.com wrote:
>> > My guess is that the 911 surcharge on our phone bills replaces
>> > general tax dollars once used to pay for such services.
>>
>> There was no 911 service before the 911 tax (not a surcharge, a legally
>> binding tax.)
>
>Cities had 911 service _decades_ before it was taxed.
Really?? _ALL_ cities? Cite please.
>Before that, cities had central dispatching units to handle such
>calls.
And there were locales, into the 1970s, where outlying surban areas had a
_commercial_telephone_answering_ service answering the fire dept _emergency_
line. If somebody called the sheriff (no local police) to report a fire,
_they_ called the answering service for fire dispatch.
>> there was no charge to the caller (you think anyone would have stood
>> for having to pay for calling the police?) Regular charge for
>> whatever service and equipment the cops had, charged to the police.
>
>In a city, where the police/fire/rescue district normally coincided
>with the telephone district, dialing zero was not an issue.
>
>In 1968 most pay phones were coin first. But 911 was planned to be no
>coin required, a feature keeping pay phones active to this day as
>emergency phones.
Dialing the operator, from a pay phone, _to_this_day_, doesn't require
depositing any coins. Even on 'coin first' phones. Even on COCOTS.
Thus, 911 didn't and doesn't bring any benefit, over dialing the operator,
to preserving coin-op phone use.
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:23:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: 911 service center troubles
Message-ID: <ba12d6f7-d3e5-4c52-9a50-db4ce8a9b9f3@n11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>
On Jul 15, 2:57 pm, bon...@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
> >Cities had 911 service _decades_ before it was taxed.
>
> Really?? _ALL_ cities? Cite please.
I didn't say "all" cities. But many places had 911 service long
before they starting adding a tax for it on the phone bill.
> >In 1968 most pay phones were coin first. But 911 was planned to be no
> >coin required, a feature keeping pay phones active to this day as
> >emergency phones.
> Dialing the operator, from a pay phone, _to_this_day_, doesn't require
> depositing any coins. Even on 'coin first' phones. Even on COCOTS.
> Thus, 911 didn't and doesn't bring any benefit, over dialing the operator,
> to preserving coin-op phone use.
Allow me to clarify. In the old days, most pay phones required a coin
deposit first to make _any_ kind of call. The coin was held, and if
the line was busy or no answer the coin was returned. (Some rural pay
phones worked differently).
In the late 1960s, partly in response to urban crime, pay phones were
modified to be "dial tone first". No coin was required to dial the
operator. If 911 was available, no coin was required for that
either. The above mentioned NYT article said dial-tone-first was
going in at the same time as 911 service.
An additional benefit of dial-tone-first was that the caller up front
would know if the pay phone was broken by not getting a dial tone.
As to "keeping pay phones active to this day", here's how: Many
passenger rail carriers want to provide an emergency telephone for
people in distress at a station. There are various ways this could be
done, but the cheapest way is to arrange to have a standard pay phone
in the station (no coin is required to call 911).
Since coin collections these days are low, the carrier usually has to
pay the phoneco to have the phone, but that payment is cheaper than
providing other types of emergency phones. In addition, those
passengers who don't have a cell phone, as some today, have the
convenience of a pay phone to make calls (I do see people using them
from time to time.)
Some carriers have posted signs stating "in case of emergency use pay
phone to call 911, no coin required".
Some carriers designate some phones to be able to use coins to call
long distance, 25c a minute, $1 minimum. (This was a welcome
convenience for me before I got my cellphone).
Our municipal pool has a payphone, with a sign near it saying the same
as above. The pool office has a phone, but I guess this is a backup.
Also, it's there if any kid needs to call home and doesn't have their
cell phone with them.
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