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Message Digest
Volume 28 : Issue 190 : "text" Format
Messages in this Issue:
Re: Farewell?
Re: Farewell?
Re: Farewell?
Re: Farewell?
Re: Farewell?
Re: Farewell?
Re: Farewell?
Re: Farewell?
Re: Community Dial Offices today ???
Re: Community Dial Offices today ???
Re: BBC reports widespread invasion of privacy
Re: BBC reports widespread invasion of privacy
Re: Q.: 10-button deskset w/ 50-conductor line-cord
Re: Q.: 10-button deskset w/ 50-conductor line-cord
Re: Q.: 10-button deskset w/ 50-conductor line-cord
Re: Community Dial Offices today ???
Re: Community Dial Offices today ???
Re: Community Dial Offices today ???
Re: Community Dial Offices today ???
Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Re: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Re: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Re: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Re: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Re: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Re: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Re: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Re: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Tweeting From the Operating Room
U.S. Wiretapping of Limited Value, Officials Report
660 comm panels
Re: Cable TV Broadcast Retransmission Consent Feuds "Ease Up"
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:16:57 -0400
From: MC <for.address.look@www.ai.uga.edu.slash.mc>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Farewell?
Message-ID: <9rT5m.65906$b9.4335@bignews6.bellsouth.net>
Steven Lichter wrote:
> Here is the one I switched to, works like the at&t groups.
>
> news.eternal-september.org
>
> www.news.eternal-september.org
That looks very useful. Any idea why they call it Eternal September?
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:05:55 -0500
From: pv+usenet@pobox.com (PV)
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Farewell?
Message-ID: <o7ydnY6gJokeScXXnZ2dnUVZ_oxi4p2d@supernews.com>
MC <for.address.look@www.ai.uga.edu.slash.mc> writes:
>> www.news.eternal-september.org
>
>That looks very useful. Any idea why they call it Eternal September?
Usenet, for decades, had a "September effect" - new people encountered usenet
on their first days in college, made asses of themselves, and then either
assimilated into the culture or left shortly afterwards.
And then came 1993, when AOL opened up usenet to their subscribers - and
September never ended. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:24:06 -0700
From: Steven Lichter <diespammers@killspammers.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Farewell?
Message-ID: <h3avto$beo$1@news.eternal-september.org>
PV wrote:
> MC <for.address.look@www.ai.uga.edu.slash.mc> writes:
>>> www.news.eternal-september.org
>> That looks very useful. Any idea why they call it Eternal September?
>
> Usenet, for decades, had a "September effect" - new people encountered usenet
> on their first days in college, made asses of themselves, and then either
> assimilated into the culture or left shortly afterwards.
>
> And then came 1993, when AOL opened up usenet to their subscribers - and
> September never ended. *
It has been longer then that. Come Christmas morning all those kids
that got their brand new Apple II computer and 300 baud modem would
then call [into] the local BBS; I know [because] I ran a BBS for 10
plus years; they would, once they got access, D/L every file they
could get and post dozens of "no meaning" posts. I removed 300 Baud
from my system when I updated to a 9600 baud modem, allowing only 1200
and above: this was back in 1987.
--
The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today?
(c) 2009 I Kill Spammers, inc, A Rot in Hell. Co.
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:55:41 -0700
From: Steven Lichter <diespammers@killspammers.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Farewell?
Message-ID: <h3au8d$3pm$1@news.eternal-september.org>
MC wrote:
> Steven Lichter wrote:
>
>> Here is the one I switched to, works like the at&t groups.
>>
>> news.eternal-september.org
>>
>> www.news.eternal-september.org
>
> That looks very useful. Any idea why they call it Eternal September?
I have no idea the reason behind the name, a few weeks ago when I set it
up they had another name, shortly after that they informed the users to
make the server name change and set up a new account and not just rename
it, I explained the reason it the first reply.
--
The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today?
(c) 2009 I Kill Spammers, inc, A Rot in Hell. Co.
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:32:15 -0700
From: Thad Floryan <thad@thadlabs.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Farewell?
Message-ID: <4A5904DF.9020106@thadlabs.com>
On 7/11/2009 3:46 AM, MC wrote:
> Steven Lichter wrote:
>
>> Here is the one I switched to, works like the at&t groups.
>>
>> news.eternal-september.org
>>
>> www.news.eternal-september.org
>
> That looks very useful. Any idea why they call it Eternal September?
Two good explanations are here:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/S/September-that-never-ended.html
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September
BTW, "catb.org" is Eric S. Raymond's site which also hosts his treatise
entitled "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" (in many languages):
http://catb.org/esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/
***** Moderator's Note *****
ESR's site is also the home of The Jargon File, from which the printed
version, called "The Hacker Dictionary", is drawn.
Bill
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:47:24 -0400
From: tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Farewell?
Message-ID: <op.uwv7xadfo63xbg@acer250.gateway.2wire.net>
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:55:52 -0400, Who Me? <hitchhiker@dont.panic> wrote:
> MC wrote:
> (Suggestions of how to get another news server are
>> welcome.)
>
> Before the light goes out........look here:
>
> sbcglobal.help.tech.newsgroups
>
> Some suggestions for other servers/services have been made......as have
> suggestions for keeping in touch with other "family members".
Alas, that sbcglobal NG is accessible only through the sbcglobal
(and allied at&t-run) NNTP servers. That said, and the content of
at least one of those suggestion-posts being pretty darn helpful,
I take the liberty of reproducing here (if our esteemed moderator
doesn't find that a copyright infringement :-) ) something similar:
--- [begin copy/paste] ---
---- Forwarded Usenet-message ----
From: "Robert Miles" <MUNGED@teranews.com>
Newsgroups: bellsouth.net.support.news-service
Subject: Re: AT&T Usenet Netnews Service Shutting Down
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 20:05:03 -0400
URL: news://<JOe%l.4761$9Z.3042@newsfe08.iad>
"Angelo Campanella" <MUNGED@att.net> wrote in message
news:Tb9_l.74594$d36.8160@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
news-admin@worldnet.att.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.
Distribution: AT&T Worldnet Usenet Netnews Servers
The end of something!
Hopefully, it's not out of line to discuss the availble vendors for such a
service. Does All/BellSouth/Yahoo have such?
On Googling it, the first hit was "Razor"
Suggestions?
Freebees?
Angelo Campanella
Nearly all the freebies I know about are known for being unreliable except
for a few that only carry newsgroups related to products of the company
that runs them. However, if you want to try them anyway, they are:
http://news.aioe.org/
http://www.readfreenews.com/
http://www.eternal-september.org/
(Formerly known as motzarella.org)
http://www.x-privat.org/index.php
http://albasani.net/index.html.en
http://news.ett.com.ua/
http://news.solani.org/
http://news.tornevall.net/?do=unused
http://www.usenet4all.se/
Some lists of free servers:
http://freenews.maxbaud.net/
http://www.disenter.com/
http://freefreenews.50webs.com/
http://www.sforum.nl/nntp/show.php?l=en
If you want one that's free, offers web viewing instead of
NNTP like most of the others, and is so infested with
spammers that posts entered there are often deleted
unread, there's:
http://groups.google.com/
If you want one that's cheap, reliable, and filters out most
of the spam, there's:
http://www.news.individual.net/
If you want one that's cheap and not very reliable, but
offers binaries, try the limited volume or block accounts
at:
http://www.teranews.com/
http://usenet-news.net/?ref=103974
However, note that both of these have recently added a
large number of newsgroups to their lists without actually
making access to these newsgroups available.
If you're willing to pay more for a reliable server with a
good selection of newsgroups, here are some:
http://www.giganews.com/
http://www.newsfeeds.com/
Lists of more of the ones that mostly charge more:
http://www.newsgroupservers.net/
http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Usenet/Public_News_Servers/
http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=faqs:news_providers
http://www.newsgroupreviews.com/usenet-providers.html
http://www.newsreaders.com/newsfeeds/
http://www.geeks.org/~ed/Usenet_Servers.html
http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm
http://www.newsadmin.com/
http://www.newzbot.com/
http://news.anthologeek.net/
Robert Miles
--- [end copy/paste] ---
HTH. Cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:18:46 -0400
From: MC <for.address.look@www.ai.uga.edu.slash.mc>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Farewell?
Message-ID: <SsT5m.65908$b9.49957@bignews6.bellsouth.net>
Found a probable explanation for the name (although I'm ashamed of my
ignorance not having heard it before).
At universities, September each year is when the newbies get on the net.
Since 1993, there has been a constant influx of Usenet newbies from
commercial ISPs, and there is no limit to their newbieness -- hence,
Eternal September.
***** Moderator's Note *****
Why don't they call it "Freshmen Flocking"?
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:33:08 GMT
From: "wdag" <wgeary@verizon.net>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Farewell?
Message-ID: <8E%5m.1992$P5.1384@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>
"MC" <for.address.look@www.ai.uga.edu.slash.mc> wrote in message
news:SsT5m.65908$b9.49957@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> Found a probable explanation for the name (although I'm ashamed of my
> ignorance not having heard it before).
>
> At universities, September each year is when the newbies get on the net.
> Since 1993, there has been a constant influx of Usenet newbies from
> commercial ISPs, and there is no limit to their newbieness -- hence,
> Eternal September.
>
>
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> Why don't they call it "Freshmen Flocking"?
>
Too much chance of confusion with Sex Ed 101?
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:07:19 +0000 (UTC)
From: David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Community Dial Offices today ???
Message-ID: <h3935n$7f5$1@reader1.panix.com>
John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> writes:
>I gather the difference between a small switch and a remote switch is
>mostly (perhaps entirely) software, and it can be a lot cheaper to
>configure a bunch of little switches as one parent and the rest as
>remotes than to make them all separate switches.
There are two common approaches for tiny burgs around here:
a) SLC's of some ilk. These are just a mux; POTS in, fiber out. (Older
ones were DS1 out.) Run the fiber 5 miles or 55 to a CO.
b) ORM - Optically Coupled Remote Module. Most of an ESS except the
management stuph. It can be ?100 miles? from the 5ESS that hosts it.
An ORM actually switches calls internally; while if you call from one
SLC number to another, it goes all the way to the switch and back.
The ORM's I know are bigger [2 prefixes] than SLC size but the major
difference is: if you cut off the fiber to each [the way the aliens
always do when they arrive from Gamma Globulin's moons]; the SLC lines
are all dead, where as the ORM will still make internal calls, such as to
the Sheriff.
--
A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:17:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Kaye <sfdavidkaye2@yahoo.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Community Dial Offices today ???
Message-ID: <acbdb616-17d5-472b-9db0-1e327df308d7@p29g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>
On Jul 10, 12:58 pm, hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> P.S. Trivia--in 1970 the Bell System had 11 (eleven) manual offices
> left. I know one was Santa Catalina Island, off of California, and it
> was the last to be automated, using a compact ESS described above. I
> was wondering what the other ten were.
I'm not exactly sure what a "manual office" was by your definition.
What I do know was that the community of San Gregorio (about 20 miles
south of Half Moon Bay, CA, was a toll station until the mid to late
1980s. The phone booth was "San Gregorio #2" and the general store
was "San Gregorio #4". You picked up the phone and hoped that the
international operator in Oakland would pick up and know how to patch
a call. The trouble on the outgoing side was the operators ignoring
the ringing because they might not know how to handle a toll
station.
On the incoming side, a caller from outside the community had to know
to call their local operator and ask for the international operator
and then try to convince her that San Gregorio was a community within
the United States, and was in fact in California. It was most helpful
to let her know that the call was handled through Oakland.
Oh, and the rate was a call to Oakland, not a call to Half Moon Bay.
I used to phone the store from time to time during the summer to find
out the beach weather conditions, since the weather there was often
very different from that in SF.
So, I think San Gregorio qualifies as a manual office, even though it
was actually a kluge to satisfy about 10 phones.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:22:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Kaye <sfdavidkaye2@yahoo.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: BBC reports widespread invasion of privacy
Message-ID: <a220090a-7786-465a-bab7-09fd03d279a4@h8g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
On Jul 9, 2:31 pm, Telecom digest moderator
<redac...@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu> wrote:
> How was it possible? It seems that very few cellphone users ever
> bother to change the "security" code assigned to them when they get
> their phone.
On the old Centigram voicemail systems, a new account defaulted to a
0000 passcode, which was the same as no passcode at all. People
called in for v/m and the system never asked them for their passcode;
it just asked them to press "P" to play messages. Lots of people,
maybe 25%, just never bothered to set up a passcode, even though the
first time through, they were walked through via spoken prompts.
***** Moderator's Note *****
For the average user, it's a reasonable choice: the only risk
associated with someone listening to *my* voicemail is the chance
they'll die of boredom. The system I use, however, demanded a password
when I set it up, so the SA was more clueful than most.
Bill
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:41:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: BBC reports widespread invasion of privacy
Message-ID: <79009e45-4cbf-4f4e-ad1f-b8cb5344a23e@n4g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> For the average user, it's a reasonable choice: the only risk
> associated with someone listening to *my* voicemail is the chance
> they'll die of boredom. The system I use, however, demanded a password
> when I set it up, so the SA was more clueful than most.
The voicemail at work requires us to periodically change our password.
This means I can't set up an auto-dial string at home to check my
messages since the password changes. I had a string, with the
appropriate pauses built in, to dial the voicemail number, enter my
number and PIN, then request message playback.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:46:12 -0700
From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Q.: 10-button deskset w/ 50-conductor line-cord
Message-ID: <pl36m.70508$S16.31631@newsfe23.iad>
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
>
> * The Bell System for years was trying to dump mechanical ringers for
> electronic tone ringers to avoid shooting the high voltage ringing
> current through ESS circuits, but it wasn't until the 1970s that they
> could come up with a suitable workable substitute. Tone ringer sets
> were tried in Morris.
>
But, 99.9% of the subcribers served by an ESS don't have key sets.
Standard ringing voltage has to be sent from the ESS to them, even today.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:38:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Q.: 10-button deskset w/ 50-conductor line-cord
Message-ID: <63c88070-06f7-43f9-b9f1-0ae3e058eae4@k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>
On Jul 11, 2:12 pm, Sam Spade <s...@coldmail.com> wrote:
> hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
> > * The Bell System for years was trying to dump mechanical ringers for
> > electronic tone ringers to avoid shooting the high voltage ringing
> > current through ESS circuits, but it wasn't until the 1970s that they
> > could come up with a suitable workable substitute. Tone ringer sets
> > were tried in Morris.
>
> But, 99.9% of the subcribers served by an ESS don't have key sets.
> Standard ringing voltage has to be sent from the ESS to them, even today.
Electronic computer circuits, such as within an ESS, do not do well
with the voltages for voice and ringing, so the switches had to work
around it. As mentioned, one attempted solution was using low power
ringers, but that didn't work. Ironically today most telephone set
ringers are lower power than the traditional 500 set mechanical bell.
I am hazy on the details, but certain keysets and ESS didn't mix
well. To handle switching, battery would be cut out for a fraction of
a second so that power wouldn't live when the switching occurred. But
this battery cutoff fooled certain key systems into thinking the line
was dead and they'd drop out.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:37:44 -0700
From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Q.: 10-button deskset w/ 50-conductor line-cord
Message-ID: <cn96m.89864$K24.48218@newsfe19.iad>
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Jul 11, 2:12 pm, Sam Spade <s...@coldmail.com> wrote:
>
>>hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>* The Bell System for years was trying to dump mechanical ringers for
>>>electronic tone ringers to avoid shooting the high voltage ringing
>>>current through ESS circuits, but it wasn't until the 1970s that they
>>>could come up with a suitable workable substitute. Tone ringer sets
>>>were tried in Morris.
>>
>>But, 99.9% of the subcribers served by an ESS don't have key sets.
>>Standard ringing voltage has to be sent from the ESS to them, even today.
>
>
> Electronic computer circuits, such as within an ESS, do not do well
> with the voltages for voice and ringing, so the switches had to work
> around it. As mentioned, one attempted solution was using low power
> ringers, but that didn't work. Ironically today most telephone set
> ringers are lower power than the traditional 500 set mechanical bell.
Yes, but, the LEC can't assume there are no longer 500 sets or similar
out there.
>
> I am hazy on the details, but certain keysets and ESS didn't mix
> well. To handle switching, battery would be cut out for a fraction of
> a second so that power wouldn't live when the switching occurred. But
> this battery cutoff fooled certain key systems into thinking the line
> was dead and they'd drop out.
>
I remember it well. It was the 1 and 1A ESS machines that had an open
battery interval as the connection was dropped and battery was
transferred from "clean" voltage to lesser quality voltage. But, that
would drop a held line on a KTS, which was good. The "bad" came in with
three-way calling and call waiting. There was also an open battery
interval with those two features when transfer was made from two-way to
three-way porting or the other way. If a KTS line was on hold and had
call waiting, a call waiting coming in would drop the hold, thus
dropping the call.
There was a fix, though, by changing out the line card to a modified
card that would not drop a call on open battery interval. In my area
Pacific Bell only fixed this issue upon complaint.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:57:45 -0700
From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Community Dial Offices today ???
Message-ID: <dw36m.1083$nU7.1065@newsfe20.iad>
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> The talk about rate centers reminded me of a question about how rural
> telephone service is handled today.
>
> Until the 1970s, the local loop to a subscriber was limited to a
> finite distance; otherwise expensive repeaters were required. Given
> that, a small community would its own central office to accomodate
> calls within the 'community of interest'. In a sense, that office
> acted as a 'concentrator' to connect the community to other places.
> Instead of running expensive long loops for each of several hundred
> subscribers, only some trunks were provided.
>
> The Bell System developed "community dial offices" which were designed
> for only a few hundred lines. These were unattended. Due to the high
> fixed cost of common control, step by step remained the switch of
> choice but eventually compact ESS became economical for such offices.
>
> But that was then. Do they still bother with community dial offices
> today or have some sort of modern concentrator/transmission line that
> takes a community's local loops and economically sends it to a larger
> office?
>
> Any comments on how rural phone service is offered today would be
> appreciated. Thanks!
>
> P.S. Trivia--in 1970 the Bell System had 11 (eleven) manual offices
> left. I know one was Santa Catalina Island, off of California, and it
> was the last to be automated, using a compact ESS described above. I
> was wondering what the other ten were. This does not include manual
> offices of Independents. (People in such offices, or those without
> DDD still got the benefit of discounted direct dial long distance
> rates.)
>
The preferred method is a host/remote via a fiber optics link. The
remote is designed to still provide dial tone and local service if the
link is broken (such as by a backhoe ;-) ) Both DMS-100s and 5ESSes have
remotes made to work with them. I don't know about the DMS-100 remote
but I do know that the 5ESS remote's calling features are handled by the
host.
As to Catalina Island I believe that was a No 3 ESS or something like
that. It was analog like the 1 and 1A. It has since been replaced by a
digital remote probably hosted by the nearest Pacific Bell mainland host
(San Pedro would be my guess)
***** Moderator's Note *****
I wish there were still a manual exchange there: I think we need at
least _one_ place that stays as it was in Gray's day.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:48:24 -0400
From: T <kd1s.nospam@cox.nospam.net>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Community Dial Offices today ???
Message-ID: <MPG.24c2a87e78adf280989ad3@news.eternal-september.org>
In article <dw36m.1083$nU7.1065@newsfe20.iad>, sam@coldmail.com says...
> The preferred method is a host/remote via a fiber optics link. The
> remote is designed to still provide dial tone and local service if the
> link is broken (such as by a backhoe ;-) ) Both DMS-100s and 5ESSes have
> remotes made to work with them. I don't know about the DMS-100 remote
> but I do know that the 5ESS remote's calling features are handled by the
> host.
>
> As to Catalina Island I believe that was a No 3 ESS or something like
> that. It was analog like the 1 and 1A. It has since been replaced by a
> digital remote probably hosted by the nearest Pacific Bell mainland host
> (San Pedro would be my guess)
>
>
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> I wish there were still a manual exchange there: I think we need at
> least _one_ place that stays as it was in Gray's day.
It makes sense - even we VoIP users have little boxes in our homes where
dialtone, DTMF decoding et al take place in a device smaller than a deck
of cards in some cases.
Here in RI there are quite a few remotes in the suburban and rural
communities.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:34:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Community Dial Offices today ???
Message-ID: <0be7e181-0cde-4d2d-a430-a159c3335afa@d34g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> I wish there were still a manual exchange there: I think we need at
> least _one_ place that stays as it was in Gray's day.
Telephone operators today who had worked on cord switchboards miss
them. Those who worked only on consoles do not.
Per the question as to "what is a manual office?", it is a telephone
exchange in which calls are switched by a human telephone operator,
not by machine. You lifted the handset and gave the operator the
number you desired and she connected you.
In big cities there were two operators involved, an "A" and "B". "A"
operators took the request and plugged into the desired exchange. She
then passed on the last 4 digits to a "B" operator who handled that
exchange.
The described function of a remote switch sounds like the switchboard
in my town before we went dial. We had about 300 phones. Any and all
calls that were not within our own exchange were immediately passed to
the next town; we essentially were a satellite of that exchange. The
operator also kept track on where the town doctor and policeman were.
When the town went dial the operators got jobs in a nearby city.
Working on a city switchboard was very different, far more regimented.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:08:21 -0700
From: Steven Lichter <diespammers@killspammers.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Community Dial Offices today ???
Message-ID: <h3av05$824$1@news.eternal-september.org>
Sam Spade wrote:
> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
>> The talk about rate centers reminded me of a question about how rural
>> telephone service is handled today.
>>
>> Until the 1970s, the local loop to a subscriber was limited to a
>> finite distance; otherwise expensive repeaters were required. Given
>> that, a small community would its own central office to accomodate
>> calls within the 'community of interest'. In a sense, that office
>> acted as a 'concentrator' to connect the community to other places.
>> Instead of running expensive long loops for each of several hundred
>> subscribers, only some trunks were provided.
>>
>> The Bell System developed "community dial offices" which were designed
>> for only a few hundred lines. These were unattended. Due to the high
>> fixed cost of common control, step by step remained the switch of
>> choice but eventually compact ESS became economical for such offices.
>>
>> But that was then. Do they still bother with community dial offices
>> today or have some sort of modern concentrator/transmission line that
>> takes a community's local loops and economically sends it to a larger
>> office?
>>
>> Any comments on how rural phone service is offered today would be
>> appreciated. Thanks!
>>
>> P.S. Trivia--in 1970 the Bell System had 11 (eleven) manual offices
>> left. I know one was Santa Catalina Island, off of California, and it
>> was the last to be automated, using a compact ESS described above. I
>> was wondering what the other ten were. This does not include manual
>> offices of Independents. (People in such offices, or those without
>> DDD still got the benefit of discounted direct dial long distance
>> rates.)
>>
>
> The preferred method is a host/remote via a fiber optics link. The
> remote is designed to still provide dial tone and local service if the
> link is broken (such as by a backhoe ;-) ) Both DMS-100s and 5ESSes have
> remotes made to work with them. I don't know about the DMS-100 remote
> but I do know that the 5ESS remote's calling features are handled by the
> host.
>
> As to Catalina Island I believe that was a No 3 ESS or something like
> that. It was analog like the 1 and 1A. It has since been replaced by a
> digital remote probably hosted by the nearest Pacific Bell mainland host
> (San Pedro would be my guess)
>
>
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> I wish there were still a manual exchange there: I think we need at
> least _one_ place that stays as it was in Gray's day.
I know the old GTE offices were set up to operate local and 911 if the
link to the base was broken, the reason was they were once full
operating switches; SXS, the new remotes would only supple 911 service
if the lost the base. These offices are located with in the San
Bernardino National Forrest, those are the areas I worked in, I'm sure
others areas were like these; the offices were GTD5, and DMS 100
switches. My house up in the mountains does not have a landline, just
Cellular with a link to a FIOS link. I have 2 Cell towers on my
property and right no my attorney is working to get the leases for the
next 10 to 20 years worked out, the really can't move and I'm not
going to give it to them like the last time.
--
The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today?
(c) 2009 I Kill Spammers, inc, A Rot in Hell. Co.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:33:23 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Message-ID: <p06240802c67eb3af6f39@[10.0.1.3]>
Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
By TODD LEWAN, AP National Writer
Saturday, July 11, 2009
(07-11) 12:38 PDT (AP) --
Climbing into his Volvo, outfitted with a Matrics antenna and a
Motorola reader he'd bought on eBay for $190, Chris Paget cruised the
streets of San Francisco with this objective: To read the identity
cards of strangers, wirelessly, without ever leaving his car.
It took him 20 minutes to strike hacker's gold.
Zipping past Fisherman's Wharf, his scanner detected, then downloaded
to his laptop, the unique serial numbers of two pedestrians'
electronic U.S. passport cards embedded with radio frequency
identification, or RFID, tags. Within an hour, he'd "skimmed" the
identifiers of four more of the new, microchipped PASS cards from a
distance of 20 feet.
Embedding identity documents - passports, drivers licenses, and the
like - with RFID chips is a no-brainer to government officials.
Increasingly, they are promoting it as a 21st century application of
technology that will help speed border crossings, safeguard
credentials against counterfeiters, and keep terrorists from sneaking
into the country.
But Paget's February experiment demonstrated something privacy
advocates had feared for years: That RFID, coupled with other
technologies, could make people trackable without their knowledge or
consent.
He filmed his drive-by heist, and soon his video went viral on the
Web, intensifying a debate over a push by government, federal and
state, to put tracking technologies in identity documents and over
their potential to erode privacy.
Putting a traceable RFID in every pocket has the potential to make
everybody a blip on someone's radar screen, critics say, and to
redefine Orwellian government snooping for the digital age.
...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/07/11/financial/f113535D07.DTL
***** Moderator's Note *****
A technology which may be disabled by a sheet of aluminum foil is
hardly a threat to our rights. When they start injecting chips under
the skin of newborn babies, _that's_ when we have lost the battle.
Bill
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:49:05 +1000
From: David Clayton <dcstar@myrealbox.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Message-ID: <pan.2009.07.11.23.49.04.287946@myrealbox.com>
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:24:26 -0400, Monty Solomon wrote:
>
> Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
>
> By TODD LEWAN, AP National Writer
> Saturday, July 11, 2009
>
> (07-11) 12:38 PDT (AP) --
>
> Climbing into his Volvo, outfitted with a Matrics antenna and a Motorola
> reader he'd bought on eBay for $190, Chris Paget cruised the streets of
> San Francisco with this objective: To read the identity cards of
> strangers, wirelessly, without ever leaving his car.
.........
> A technology which may be disabled by a sheet of aluminum foil is hardly a
> threat to our rights. When they start injecting chips under the skin of
> newborn babies, _that's_ when we have lost the battle.
>
Assuming you *know* where *all* the RFID chips are on your person, you
might be able to shield them.
How do you know that the clothing you wear doesn't have an active chip
still embedded in it?, or your shoes, or anything you just purchased at a
shop, or your watch, or your mobile phone or or or or or .......
And the potential for someone to "bug" you for a nefarious purpose also
raises its head.
--
Regards, David.
David Clayton
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Knowledge is a measure of how many answers you have, intelligence is a
measure of how many questions you have.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:31:38 -0700
From: Steven Lichter <diespammers@killspammers.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Message-ID: <h3bhub$8fo$1@news.eternal-september.org>
David Clayton wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:24:26 -0400, Monty Solomon wrote:
>
>> Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
>>
>> By TODD LEWAN, AP National Writer
>> Saturday, July 11, 2009
>>
>> (07-11) 12:38 PDT (AP) --
>>
>> Climbing into his Volvo, outfitted with a Matrics antenna and a Motorola
>> reader he'd bought on eBay for $190, Chris Paget cruised the streets of
>> San Francisco with this objective: To read the identity cards of
>> strangers, wirelessly, without ever leaving his car.
> .........
>> A technology which may be disabled by a sheet of aluminum foil is hardly a
>> threat to our rights. When they start injecting chips under the skin of
>> newborn babies, _that's_ when we have lost the battle.
>>
> Assuming you *know* where *all* the RFID chips are on your person, you
> might be able to shield them.
>
> How do you know that the clothing you wear doesn't have an active chip
> still embedded in it?, or your shoes, or anything you just purchased at a
> shop, or your watch, or your mobile phone or or or or or .......
>
> And the potential for someone to "bug" you for a nefarious purpose also
Several years ago I bought a pair of shoes from K-Mart, every time I
went in to to a Walmart the alarm would go off as I entered the store,
finally a manager put my shoes through one of their scanners and sure
enough my shoe had an anti-theft RFID Chip in it, he just scratched his
head and deactivated it.
--
The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today?
(c) 2009 I Kill Spammers, inc, A Rot in Hell. Co.
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 02:59:21 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Message-ID: <h3bji9$lep$2@news.albasani.net>
David Clayton <dcstar@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>Assuming you *know* where *all* the RFID chips are on your person, you
>might be able to shield them.
>How do you know that the clothing you wear doesn't have an active chip
>still embedded in it?, or your shoes, or anything you just purchased at a
>shop, or your watch, or your mobile phone or or or or or .......
>And the potential for someone to "bug" you for a nefarious purpose also
>raises its head.
In "Enemy of the State", all of the protagonist's clothes and shoes and
watch and pen were replaced with RFID chipped copies.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:56:38 -0700
From: Thad Floryan <thad@thadlabs.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Message-ID: <4A5926B6.100@thadlabs.com>
On 7/11/2009 3:24 PM, Monty Solomon wrote:
> Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
> [...]
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/07/11/financial/f113535D07.DTL
A related article is here:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/07/11/financial/f113716D08.DTL
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> A technology which may be disabled by a sheet of aluminum foil is
> hardly a threat to our rights. When they start injecting chips under
> the skin of newborn babies, _that's_ when we have lost the battle.
>
> Bill
The related article claims the supplied sleeves can be compromised; seems to me
an aluminum foil solution would be easy, inexpensive and effective -- no need
to wear an aluminum foil hat and lead-lined underwear. :-)
IIRC, the under-the-skin RFID chip was pioneered 10+ years ago in San Mateo CA
and mostly used for pets and recovery thereof. I write "mostly" because I seem
to recall the technology is already being used for newborns in some countries.
Searching SFGate's articles finds these related article (e.g., chipping
workers (yes, it's being done), etc.):
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/08/25/EDGFREC5O71.DTL
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/08/12/EDG00REOHJ1.DTL
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2003/04/10/cfp.DTL
but not the specific article I was seeking. Googling "RFID chips in babies"
is an eye-opener, read while sitting down.
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:08:37 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Message-ID: <h3b9i5$ajh$1@news.albasani.net>
>***** Moderator's Note *****
>A technology which may be disabled by a sheet of aluminum foil is
>hardly a threat to our rights. When they start injecting chips under
>the skin of newborn babies, _that's_ when we have lost the battle.
In "The President's Analyst", The Phone Company proposed to put the chip
directly in the brain of the, er, telephone subscriber.
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:00:36 -0500
From: "Kenneth P. Stox" <stox@yahoo.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Message-ID: <h3bqlm$ujb$1@news.eternal-september.org>
Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
>> A technology which may be disabled by a sheet of aluminum foil is
>> hardly a threat to our rights. When they start injecting chips under
>> the skin of newborn babies, _that's_ when we have lost the battle.
>
> In "The President's Analyst", The Phone Company proposed to put the chip
> directly in the brain of the, er, telephone subscriber.
The "Presidents Analyst" was remarkably prescient. So was "The Prisoner."
***** Moderator's Note *****
Ah, but he never got to _really_ meet Number One, did he? Did that
mean he could never know who his leaders were, or was it intended to
portray the ambiguity of Number Six'es motivation in refusing to
accept what he always was?
Bill
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:09:06 -0700
From: Steven Lichter <diespammers@killspammers.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Message-ID: <h3bd3i$r7i$1@news.eternal-september.org>
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> A technology which may be disabled by a sheet of aluminum foil is
> hardly a threat to our rights. When they start injecting chips under
> the skin of newborn babies, _that's_ when we have lost the battle.
>
> Bill
Maybe they already did, are your sure that Flu shot had nothing else it it?
--
The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today?
(c) 2009 I Kill Spammers, inc, A Rot in Hell. Co.
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:05:49 -0400
From: T <kd1s.nospam@cox.nospam.net>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Message-ID: <MPG.24c32b2771728bdc989ad5@news.eternal-september.org>
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> A technology which may be disabled by a sheet of aluminum foil is
> hardly a threat to our rights. When they start injecting chips under
> the skin of newborn babies, _that's_ when we have lost the battle.
>
> Bill
Heh - yeah. If they could get the passport RFID's they could read them
on the credit cards too.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:12:51 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Tweeting From the Operating Room
Message-ID: <p06240808c67ecc8a4280@[10.0.1.3]>
Tweeting From the Operating Room
By Tara Parker-Pope
July 9, 2009, 2:48 pm
When a loved one undergoes surgery, family members often pace the
waiting room or nervously await a phone call, hoping for updates from
hospital staff. This week, a Missouri children's hospital used
Twitter to update family members near and far about a child's surgery.
On Tuesday, surgeons at Children's Mercy Hospital in Kansas City,
Mo., operated on 10-year-old Anand Erdenebulgan of Ulaanbaatar,
Mongolia, who suffered severe neck burns in a fireworks accident six
months ago. The burns had caused his skin to contract, and surgery
was needed to place skin expanders so the neck tissue could continue
to grow, giving the boy a normal range of motion. He was accompanied
on the trip by his mother and younger sister, but the child's father
and other family members had to stay in Mongolia. The surgery was
performed in mid-afternoon in Kansas City, which was around 4 a.m.
Mongolia time.
While the hospital's chief of plastic surgery, Dr. Viirender Singhal,
operated, the public information officer, Sherry D. Gibbs, posted
live updates on Twitter from the operating room. The "tweets" were
visible to anyone following the hospitals Twitter feed, and the
family gave permission for all the updates to be made public. Here
are some of the tweets sent from the operating room:
...
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/tweeting-from-the-operating-room/
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:31:50 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: U.S. Wiretapping of Limited Value, Officials Report
Message-ID: <p0624080ac67ed11e5537@[10.0.1.3]>
U.S. Wiretapping of Limited Value, Officials Report
By ERIC LICHTBLAU and JAMES RISEN
The New York Times
July 11, 2009
WASHINGTON - While the Bush administration had defended its program
of wiretapping without warrants as a vital tool that saved lives, a
new government review released Friday said the program's
effectiveness in fighting terrorism was unclear.
The report, mandated by Congress last year and produced by the
inspectors general of five federal agencies, found that other
intelligence tools used in assessing security threats posed by
terrorists provided more timely and detailed information.
Most intelligence officials interviewed "had difficulty citing
specific instances" when the National Security Agency's wiretapping
program contributed to successes against terrorists, the report said.
While the program obtained information that "had value in some
counterterrorism investigations, it generally played a limited role
in the F.B.I.'s overall counterterrorism efforts," the report
concluded. The Central Intelligence Agency and other intelligence
branches also viewed the program, which allowed eavesdropping without
warrants on the international communications of Americans, as a
useful tool but could not link it directly to counterterrorism
successes, presumably arrests or thwarted plots.
The report also hinted at political pressure in preparing the
so-called threat assessments that helped form the legal basis for
continuing the classified program, whose disclosure in 2005 provoked
fierce debate about its legality. The initial authorization of the
wiretapping program came after a senior C.I.A. official took a threat
evaluation, prepared by analysts who knew nothing of the program, and
inserted a paragraph provided by a senior White House official that
spoke of the prospect of future attacks against the United States.
These threat assessments, which provided the justification for
President George W. Bush's reauthorization of the wiretapping program
every 45 days, became known among intelligence officials as the
"scary memos," the report said. Intelligence analysts involved in the
process eventually realized that "if a threat assessment identified a
threat against the United States," the wiretapping and related
surveillance programs were "likely to be renewed," the report added.
The report found that the secrecy surrounding the program may have
limited its effectiveness. At the C.I.A., it said, so few
working-level officers were allowed to know about the program that
the agency often did not make full use of the leads the wiretapping
generated, and intelligence leads that came from the wiretapping
operation were often "vague or without context," the report said.
...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/11/us/11nsa.html
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:38:55 -0700
From: Andrew Carey <carey.removethis@this-too.ar-ballbat.org>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: 660 comm panels
Message-ID: <EB006742-6E0B-4D3E-9DE1-DC3E12FB1772@ar-ballbat.org>
Hi Bill,
I looked around for the 660 Comm Panel drawings, but all I could find
were the interconnect (T) drawings. The LG lead isn't spelled out,
but does show that each line's LG lead should be brought out into the
(amphenol) connector when multipled with other comm panels in KTU use
(specifically for a 1A1 or 1A2 system), and not strapped together at
each panel. I couldn't find any SD drawings to see if the LGs were
strapped together in those within the panel.
I did find the 1A2 SD drawings and while they do not breakdown the LG
meaning either, it does show the LG leads into the 1A2 wired to ground.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:51:20 -0500
From: Neal McLain <nmclain@annsgarden.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Cable TV Broadcast Retransmission Consent Feuds "Ease Up"
Message-ID: <4A595DB8.1090004@annsgarden.com>
Adam Kerman wrote:
> CATV systems literally erected antennas in the best location to
> receive a signal, then sold the signal to subscribers who lacked line
> of sight to the transmission tower.
Indeed they did. And they still do today, half a century after the term
"CATV" morphed into "cable TV."
I have posted several photos of cable TV receive sites at
http://theoldcatvequipmentmuseum.org/120/121/1214/index.html
Neal McLain
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:54:33 -0500
From: "Kenneth P. Stox" <stox@yahoo.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Cable TV Broadcast Retransmission Consent Feuds "Ease Up"
Message-ID: <h3bqju$jnc$2@news.eternal-september.org>
Neal McLain wrote:
> Adam Kerman wrote:
>
> > CATV systems literally erected antennas in the best location to
> > receive a signal, then sold the signal to subscribers who lacked line
> > of sight to the transmission tower.
>
> Indeed they did. And they still do today, half a century after the term
> "CATV" morphed into "cable TV."
>
> I have posted several photos of cable TV receive sites at
> http://theoldcatvequipmentmuseum.org/120/121/1214/index.html
>
> Neal McLain
>
Didn't those used to be referred to as MATV ( Master Antenna Television)
Systems?
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