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Volume 28 : Issue 143 : "text" Format
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ANI in real time (was: FTC builds case against telemarketers)
Re: ANI in real time (was: FTC builds case against telemarketers)
Re: ANI in real time
Re: ANI in real time (was: FTC builds case against telemarketers)
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Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:50:21 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: ANI in real time (was: FTC builds case against telemarketers)
Message-ID: <gvgagd$gkk$1@news.albasani.net>
Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>The following article from the Phila Inqr describes some outrageous
>>stuff pulled by telemarketers in violation of multiple laws and how
>>people fought back. This includes spoofing the caller ID.
>>See: http://www.philly.com/philly/business/personal_finance/45231832.html
>>Would anyone know if Call Trace (1157) works when a telemarketer
>>calls? That is, does Call Trace send the real ANI or the caller-ID to
>>the Call Trace Bureau.
>Unfortunately, ANI doesn't make it to your switch.
For the hell of it, I read the Wikipedia entry on ANI.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Number_Identification
Wikipedia entries often drive me nuts due to their lack of citations, or
citations to secondary sources that themselves cite no primary sources.
Take this quote, for instance:
Privacy
Because ANI is unrelated to caller ID, the caller's telephone
number and line type are captured by ANI equipment even if
caller ID blocking is activated. The destination telephone
company switching office can relay the originating telephone
number to ANI delivery services subscribers. Toll-free Inward
WATS number subscribers and large companies normally have access
to ANI information, either instantly via installed equipment,
or from a monthly billing statement. Residential subscribers can
obtain access to ANI information through third party companies
that charge for the service.
On my home number, I can subscribe to a third-party service that will
provide me ANI instantly? I had no idea. Due to there being no source
provided, I still don't.
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Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:39:13 +0000 (UTC)
From: ranck@vt.edu
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: ANI in real time (was: FTC builds case against telemarketers)
Message-ID: <gvh5vh$aam$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>
Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Privacy
> company switching office can relay the originating telephone
> number to ANI delivery services subscribers. Toll-free Inward
> WATS number subscribers and large companies normally have access
> to ANI information, either instantly via installed equipment,
> or from a monthly billing statement. Residential subscribers can
> obtain access to ANI information through third party companies
> that charge for the service.
> On my home number, I can subscribe to a third-party service that will
> provide me ANI instantly? I had no idea. Due to there being no source
> provided, I still don't.
Uh, well they don't say instantly for residential. I have an 800
number that I got when my kids were in college. It directs calls to
whatever local phone number I choose. My monthly bill tells me the
phone numbers that have called my 800 number. I got my 800 service
from Broadwing (now Level 3), but I would assume other providers
offer the same service.
I suppose like anything else, enough money thrown at some phone
company or another would yield real time ANI at your home. ;-)
Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.
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Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:29:34 -0700
From: Steven Lichter <diespammers@ikillspammers.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: ANI in real time
Message-ID: <AqXSl.23180$as4.12740@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>
ranck@vt.edu wrote:
> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> Take this quote [from Wikipedia] for instance:
>>
>> Privacy
>>
>> ... The destination telephone company switching office can
>> relay the originating telephone number to ANI delivery
>> services subscribers. Toll-free Inward WATS number
>> subscribers and large companies normally have access to ANI
>> information, either instantly via installed equipment, or from
>> a monthly billing statement. Residential subscribers can
>> obtain access to ANI information through third party companies
>> that charge for the service.
>>
>> On my home number, I can subscribe to a third-party service that
>> will provide me ANI instantly? I had no idea. Due to there being no
>> source provided, I still don't.
>
> Uh, well they don't say instantly for residential. I have an 800
> number that I got when my kids were in college. It directs calls to
> whatever local phone number I choose. My monthly bill tells me the
> phone numbers that have called my 800 number. I got my 800 service
> from Broadwing (now Level 3), but I would assume other providers
> offer the same service.
>
> I suppose like anything else, enough money thrown at some phone
> company or another would yield real time ANI at your home. ;-)
Years ago when I still had my BBS online; I had an 800 number for
network calls since I was the server for our net. I had a friend
build me a receiver that allowed me to see the incoming number. I
still have it now, but when I hooked it on my phone line it does not
work, I did this to be able to see blocked numbers. I have been told
by at&t the ANI is not passed onto the subscriber, having worked in
the industry since 1967 I don't understand how that could be blocked.
--
The Only Good Spammer is a Dead one!! Have you hunted one down today?
(c) 2009 I Kill Spammers, Inc. A Rot In Hell Co.
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Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:39:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: ANI in real time (was: FTC builds case against telemarketers)
Message-ID: <171abb6b-4e84-46a3-81c7-47d1de432acc@q14g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>
On May 26, 9:51 am, "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> Wikipedia entries often drive me nuts due to their lack of citations, or
> citations to secondary sources that themselves cite no primary sources.
Wikipedia is good for general background information, but it is not an
authoritative source. Many people have reported finding material
errors of fact in it, (as I did).
I think it's good source for entertainment information.
> On my home number, I can subscribe to a third-party service that will
> provide me ANI instantly? I had no idea. Due to there being no source
> provided, I still don't.
Well, an 800 number gets your ANI and I presume that company could
then forward it back to you. Why you would need this more than one
time (as in checking a line) I don't know.
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