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  Re: To Bury or Not to Bury 
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Geoffrey Welsh =========================== See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer, and other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 04:53:07 -0500 From: Jim Redelfs <> To: Subject: Re: To Bury or Not to Bury Message-ID: <> In article <>, Neal McLain <> wrote: >> Imagine a line of 20 houses, each with a driveway and >> sidewalk going from the house to the road. > Not to mention working around abandoned coal bins, bike racks, bollards, > bus stop shelters, catch basins, cable TV pedestals, culverts, drainage > ditches, fences, fire hydrants, galvanic protection monitors, gas > laterals, guy anchors, irrigation ditches, Jersey barriers, > lawn-sprinkling systems, mailboxes, manholes, newspaper vending-machine > platforms, power pedestals, power switching cabinets, power > transformers, raised planting beds, retaining walls, secondary water > laterals, signs, storm drains, streetlights, survey markers, telephone > cross-connect panels, telephone pedestals, traffic signals, trees and > tree roots, utility poles, water laterals, or xeriscaped yards. > ***** Moderator's Note ***** > Don't forget the Fire Alarm Premise or Auxiliary Loops, Steam Mains, > and POPT (Privately Owned and Placed Telegraph) circuits. As if that > weren't enough, there are also non-government rights of way, > non-registered government rights of way, and Allowances for > Non-anticipable Sovereign Change Demands. For the venerable Northwestern Bell Telephone Company, I ran a vibratory plow and boring machine for years and never considered a FRACTION of those obstacles. In that time I probably accrued ~$2-3k damage. Directional boring "came of age" in Omaha more than a few years ago. War stories upon request, including those with context including "natural gas" and "high voltage". -- :) JR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 18:39:25 -0400 From: ed <> To: Subject: Online database for ratting out Message-ID: <> > > ***** Moderator's Note ***** > > > > IANALB ISTM such databases would be sued out of existence in short order. > > What databases? There aren't any databases for the purpose of ratting > out people like that officer. has been repeatedly targeted by state and federal prosecutors for "outing" their informants and dirty cops, but so far the website operator has been able to use the First Amendment to stay online. Valuable public service or dangerous information resource? You decide. -Ed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 20:31:55 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Subject: Re: Online database for ratting out Message-ID: <> On Apr 6, 10:14 pm, ed <> wrote: >  has been repeatedly targeted by state and federal > prosecutors for "outing" their informants and dirty cops, but so far the website > operator has been able to use the First Amendment to stay online. > > Valuable public service or dangerous information resource?  You decide. I'm not familiar with that database. In general the question you ask on this particular issue is not an easy one to answer. On the one hand, informants do provide the cops with a lot of information that results in the rest of us being safer. Indeed, many authorities have 800 numbers for citizens to send in tips. Our local school board announced such a tip line for any matter regarding school safety. (Or cops pressure an arrested person to rat out others in return for a lighter sentence; that's very common.) On the other hand, such a system can be abused. I'm not sure how I feel about such anonymous tip lines. I've heard of feuding neighborhoods making nasty untrue accusations via such tip lines causing the other neighbor all sorts of grief. Let's not forget the news media makes great use of informants, too, who may not necessarily be honest or accurate. Back in the 1950s certain national columnists would finger communists or ex-communists based on confidential informants and ruin the target's life. Politicians and other public servants can have their careers ruined by such columnists. ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly to telecom- munications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to Usenet, where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occasional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. The Telecom Digest is currently being moderated by Bill Horne while Pat Townson recovers from a stroke. 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