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  Re: The Officer Who Posted Too Much on MySpace 
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We must fight spam for the same reason we fight crime: not because we are naive enough to believe that we will ever stamp it out, but because we do not want the kind of world that results when no one stands against crime. Geoffrey Welsh =========================== See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer, and other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 09:37:06 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Subject: Re: The Officer Who Posted Too Much on MySpace Message-ID: <> On Apr 1, 1:09 am, MC <> wrote: > When I was doing computer security work, I dubbed this the > "small-circle-of-friends illusion."  Some people imagine that when they > post something for the entire public to see on the Web, it's still > perfectly private and no "real" people (employers, authorities, etc.) > are to be allowed to see it! There are many entities, both public and private sector, that want to exploit that "small circle of friends" illusion in order to collect personal information. It seems most people worry about "big brother" being the government, but much data collection is conducted by and for private sector interests and it is done secretly. For example, if a person is a troublemaker, odds are they show up on a private database of troublemakers, which is subscribed to by businesses seeking to avoid dealing with such people. At one time if an individual or family had a variety of problems but then moved (fully legally) to a new town to make a fresh start, he or she could do so, that is, make a fresh start with the old baggage (eg a bad reputation, unresolved disputes) left far behind. But today all those troubles are cataloged in some database, and the contents are (1) easily searchable and accessed and (2) easily transmitted anywhere. So, that dispute you had with your Long Island, NY landlord will haunt you when you seek an apartment in Palo Alto, Calif. This was forseen back in the 1970s and a US Government task force then recommended that the Social Security number be only allowed to be used for SSA and IRS purposes, nothing else. As we know, that recommendation got nowhere. In a discussion of this issue on the roads newsgroup, several people, apparently journalists, were all for this sort of information sharing. They claimed it was "public" years ago and "public" today and computerization is irrelevent. I disagree. Years ago adverse information would lay in the bottom of a single filing cabinet, hard to find, hard to access, and hard to transmit. Computers have changed all that and that MUST be considered in public policy and privacy today. ***** Moderator's Note ***** IANALB ISTM such databases would be sued out of existence in short order. Any attorneys want to weigh in? Bill Bill Horne Temporary Moderator ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 13:54:52 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Subject: Re: The Officer Who Posted Too Much on MySpace Message-ID: <> > ***** Moderator's Note ***** > > IANALB ISTM such databases would be sued out of existence in short order. What does IANALB and ISTM mean? >> I Am Not A Lawyer, But >> It Seems To Me In any event, I am not a lawyer. But I suspect under the circumstances such databases are perfectly legal because consumers agreed to it or the law allows it. When one visits a doctor, one usually must sign a form indicating the doctor and insurance company may release or obtain medical and other records as necessary. In essence the patient has given consent to release of information. Likewise, when a patient sends in or uses health insurance, an information release is required as well. When someone rents an apt or otherwise does business with any kind of registration, there usually is a form to fill out noting credit checks and credit references and credit sharing. I suspect credit and business interests have lobbied congress to pass laws allowing the sharing of such information, even without consent. For example, I never consented to the phone company sharing my payment history, I never filled out any paperwork ever (I called over the phone to order phone service and got it). But the phone company states it reports payment history. AFAIK there's nothing I can do about it if I want a landline phone. Lastly, unless the law explicitly mandates privacy in a transaction, I believe (remember I'm not a lawyer) there is no expectation of privacy. In other words, if you and I have a business deal that you assume is private but I share the details with the world, that's my right. Your only recourse is if I libel or slander you, but if I tell the truth I'm ok. Business and consumers share information all the time. (Medical records are legally private but one can sign away that right). > Any attorneys want to weigh in? Now obviously someone who wants to pay cash or make special arrangements can protect their privacy. But trying to buck the system is costly, cumbersome, and sometimes not even succesful. And yes, in some cases a consumer may very well have the right to sue and a good case. But lawsuits cost a lot of money. Businesses usually have deeper pockets to fight and appeal a lawsuit than a consumer has. (If a business is broke a victory will be meaningless). ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly to telecom- munications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to Usenet, where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. 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