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  Re: Any user reviews of the Magic Jack? 
  Re: Any user reviews of the Magic Jack? 
  Re: President Obama keeps his Blackberry 
  Re: President Obama keeps his Blackberry 
   Foreign Listings Again
  Re: Presidential telephones  was Re: Why Obama's phone calls   will always  go through 
  Re: Staff Finds White House in the Technological Dark Ages 
  Re: Staff Finds White House in the Technological Dark Ages 

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 02:16:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Stephen <>
Subject: Re: Any user reviews of the Magic Jack? 
Message-ID: <>

On Jan 21, 6:10 am, "" <>
> On Jan 20, 12:35 am, Stephen <> wrote:
> > On Jan 19, 9:22 am, "" <>
> > wrote:
> > > On Jan 17, 10:43 am, Stephen <> wrote:
> > > > Actually,Onesuiteprepaid calling card rates via local access numbers
> > > > across the US [are] only 2.5 cents per minute [when] calling a US
> > > > number and only 1.9 cpm to Canada. The .5 cents and 1.1 cents
> > > > difference (versus the 3 cents you mentioned) adds up if you make [a
> > > > lot of] calls.
> > > I usually use the toll free number forOneSuiteaccess as local access
> > > calls here in NYC are billed at 11¢ with tax.
> > > If I were to know that myOneSuiteLDX call would [were to?] be long
> > > talk-length I would use local access # and then get the 2.5CPM.
> > > Otherwise it is cheaper to pay 2.9CPM for =<3 minutes.
> > > I usually useOneSuitefor my LOCAL calls here in NYC unless I am
> > > calling totally free [of cost] via
> > Oh I didn't knowOnesuitelocal access access in NYC are billed by
> > your local phone provider. Are you using this NYC numbers
> > ->6463529215,6462173791
> > Anyhow if thats the case then you are doing a good job of maximizing
> > your savings.
> I don't know what number I'm using, but all local calls
> are billed at 9¢ plus tax or c. 11¢- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -

Wait a minute, 9 cents for all local calls? Or for all Onesuite local


Date: 24 Jan 2009 20:47:45 -0000
From: John Levine <>
Subject: Re: Any user reviews of the Magic Jack? 
Message-ID: <>

>> I don't know what number I'm using, but all local calls
>> are billed at 9¢ plus tax or c. 11¢

>Wait a minute, 9 cents for all local calls? Or for all Onesuite local

In most of NYC (except Staten Island) local service uses message
units.  Unless you have a calling bundle, all local calls are one
message unit, which is about 9 cents.

Before you complain about what a ripoff it is, the alternative is to
build the price of an average number of calls into the price.  For
people who make relatively few local calls, it's a good deal.  For
people who make a whole lot of local calls, there are in-state



Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:16:23 -0500
From: "Geoffrey Welsh" <reply@newsgroup.please>
Subject: Re: President Obama keeps his Blackberry 
Message-ID: <f02d4$497b5b09$d1b705a6$31072@PRIMUS.CA>

David Clayton wrote:
> Wouldn't less "insulation" from the outside world make a leader more
> effective?

Have you ever dialled the wrong speed dial or emailed the wrong person?  I've 
even had people leave messages for someone else on my answering machine even 
though my greeting stated my name clearly.  And, from the message, it was 
clear to me that the mistake was not enabled by a linguistic barrier.

The POTUS' confidentiality requirements are much higher than mine; I think it 
would be a good idea if his communications tools had extra precautions 
built-in against messages being misdirected.  I'm not certain that any 
existing device has such a feature, but it would be A Good Thing.

Geoffrey Welsh <Geoffrey [dot] Welsh [at] bigfoot [dot] com> 


Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:39:10 -0800
From: AES <>
Subject: Re: President Obama keeps his Blackberry 
Message-ID: <>

> ***** Moderator's Note *****
> Any leader, whether in politics or industry or charity, knows that
> he must seek out and use the _MOST_ accurate information possible,
> from those _MOST_ competent to give it.    
>              [MUCH SNIPPED]
> The best advice on this subject is what I was tought in the leadership
> courses given by the Army: "If you want the low-down, you've got to go
> low down". 

Hewlett and Packard (telecom people, yet!) both practiced this, and also 
put it in four words, right?

         "Management by walking around . . . "


Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:31:19 -0500
From: Fred Goldstein <>
Subject:  Foreign Listings Again
Message-ID: <>

On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:26:22 -0700, "Fred Atkinson" 
<> wrote,
>Subject:  Foreign Listings Again
>Message-ID: <002a01c97ddb$e98cd300$c800000a@mishmash>
>     In response to the earlier question, Carolina Net says my number is
>currently ported by Level 3 but they are getting me changed over to Verizon
>Business to resolve it.
>     Any suggestions?

Carolina Net can now request that VZB use the LSR process to enter 
your number into the Qwest database.  They may not need LSR:  There 
may be a "bonding" between the VZB system and Qwest's, and there may 
be a "bonding" between Carolina Net's and VZBs.  Of course Level 3 
could do this too, but they may not be as well equipped as 
VZB.  Since VZB has the assets of MCI, which used to be in the retail 
(UNE-Platform) dial tone business, they probably have very good OSS 
(operational support system) tools.  Level 3's business is more 
wholesale-focused and (I'm guessing) they might have fewer experts at 
this process.

  Fred Goldstein    k1io  fgoldstein "at"
  ionary Consulting


Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:16:44 -0600
From: "Kenneth P. Stox" <>
Subject: Re: Presidential telephones  was Re: Why Obama's phone calls   will always  go through 
Message-ID: <grMel.19328$>

> ***** Moderator's Note *****
> Shrub's office: a Mickey Mouse phone, with the cord cut.

Now that was funny! Thanks for making my day.

***** Moderator's Note *****

Actually, it's inaccurate: nobody ever cut the cord on Shrub.

Bill Horne
Temporary Moderator


Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:24:51 -0500
From: "Geoffrey Welsh" <reply@newsgroup.please>
Subject: Re: Staff Finds White House in the Technological Dark Ages 
Message-ID: <3afd3$497b5d05$d1b705a6$32392@PRIMUS.CA>

Monty Solomon wrote:
> What does that mean in 21st-century terms? No Facebook to communicate
> with supporters.

 ... and waste copious amounts of time sifting through trivial crud.  Does 
President Obama or his staff really need to know that "Janet Smith is going 
to work now" and "Joe Green is glad to be back home at last"?

> "It is kind of like going from an Xbox to an Atari," Obama spokesman
> Bill Burton said of his new digs.

I certainly hope Mr. Burton is more in touch with productivity than that 
quote suggests.

Geoffrey Welsh <Geoffrey [dot] Welsh [at] bigfoot [dot] com> 


Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:39:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Staff Finds White House in the Technological Dark Ages 
Message-ID: <>

On Jan 22, 10:49 pm, Monty Solomon <> wrote:
> If the Obama campaign represented a sleek, new iPhone kind of future,
> the first day of the Obama administration looked more like the
> rotary-dial past.

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration.

> Two years after launching the most technologically savvy presidential
> campaign in history, Obama officials ran smack into the constraints
> of the federal bureaucracy yesterday, encountering a jumble of
> disconnected phone lines, old computer software, and security
> regulations forbidding outside e-mail accounts.

Another poster correctly described this as the difference between
getting elected and governing.  So true.   A campaign does not have to
answer to anyone.  A president is subject to many laws and procedures
to (1) protect his personal security, (2) protect national security,
and (3) keep an eye on him (some of this dates back to Watergate).
IMHO, the 'oversight' (the "Records Act") goes overboard and creates
unnecessary problems and hinderances.

> In many ways, the move into the White House resembled a first day at
> school: Advisers wandered the halls, looking for their offices. Aides
> spent hours in orientation, learning such things as government ethics
> rules as well as how their paychecks will be delivered. And everyone
> filled out a seemingly endless pile of paperwork.

If memory serves, an article such as this appears every time a new
Administration takes office going back into history.  FDR's
administration was a big shake up over Hoover's, Truman shook up FDR,
and so on.

One thing that HAS changed is that the White House "staff" has
exploded in size over the years.  Hoover and his predecessors were
relatively small.  FDR, with his new activist government, added staff,
and subsequent presidents kept adding more and more.  Nixon's staff,
for all his and Haldeman's efforts at strict control, discipline, and
organization, was actually out of control and that led to Watergate.


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