The Telecom Digest for December 06, 2010
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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 09:13:03 -0500
From: "Gary" <bogus-email@hotmail.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: US may disable all in-car mobile phones
Message-ID: <idg6ln$160$1@news.eternal-september.org>
I think the solution this problem is a simple, market based system.
Simply allow auto and medical insurance companies to deny coverage to
drivers involved in accidents when the evidence shows they were using their
phone. Make drivers fully liable for all property damage, medical damage
costs and legal costs while driving and talking, and that would go a long
way to resolving the issue without any fancy technical solutions. About all
that would be needed is to grant law enforcement the authority to review
cell phone records of everyone involved in a crash. Add to that criminal
penalties that could result in lose of life accidents, and I think this
would be a significant deterrent.
By the way, I think this should be done for seat belt usage and motorcycle
helmets(*) as well.
In short, if people want to behave in risky behaviors we shouldn't ban it,
but should let them bear the full costs of the results.
Just my $0.02.
-Gary
Date: 5 Dec 2010 22:17:55 -0000
From: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: US may disable all in-car mobile phones
Message-ID: <20101205221755.90075.qmail@joyce.lan>
In article <idg6ln$160$1@news.eternal-september.org> you write:
>I think the solution this problem is a simple, market based system.
>
>Simply allow auto and medical insurance companies to deny coverage to
>drivers involved in accidents when the evidence shows they were using their
>phone. ...
It's already illegal to talk while driving in many states, and I would
expect that insurance is already less likely to pay when you are at
fault.
The problem is that people aren't thinking about the consequences,
they want to take a call or send a text RIGHT NOW. The trick is
adjusting the mental wiring so people think I want to take that call
so I will PULL OVER FIRST.
R's,
John
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 18:00:53 -0800
From: Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: US may disable all in-car mobile phones
Message-ID: <idhg4o$ekj$1@news.eternal-september.org>
On 12/5/10 2:17 PM, John Levine wrote:
> In article<idg6ln$160$1@news.eternal-september.org> you write:
>> I think the solution this problem is a simple, market based system.
>>
>> Simply allow auto and medical insurance companies to deny coverage to
>> drivers involved in accidents when the evidence shows they were using their
>> phone. ...
>
> It's already illegal to talk while driving in many states, and I would
> expect that insurance is already less likely to pay when you are at
> fault.
>
> The problem is that people aren't thinking about the consequences,
> they want to take a call or send a text RIGHT NOW. The trick is
> adjusting the mental wiring so people think I want to take that call
> so I will PULL OVER FIRST.
>
> R's,
> John
>
Several years ago someone here in Riverside, Ca was talking on their
Cell Phone and rear ended a van with a whole family, I believe there was
only one person who survived the accident, that is other then the moron
who caused it. The Riverside DA charged him with murder; he wanted to
make a point. The driver was convicted and will be spending at least the
next 25 years in Prison. What has to be done is anyone in an accident
while using a Cell Phone will be charged with a major Felony, with
prison, not with a slap on the wrist and a year in a local jail.
--
The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today?
(c) 2010 I Kill Spammers, Inc. A Rot in Hell Co.
Date: 6 Dec 2010 02:44:36 -0000
From: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: US may disable all in-car mobile phones
Message-ID: <20101206024436.95094.qmail@joyce.lan>
>Several years ago someone here in Riverside, Ca was talking on their
>Cell Phone and rear ended a van with a whole family, I believe there
>was only one person who survived the accident, that is other then the
>moron who caused it. The Riverside DA charged him with murder; he
>wanted to make a point. The driver was convicted and will be spending
>at least the next 25 years in Prison.
Indeed. How much lower do you think the number of people talking and
driving is in Riverside now than in the rest of California?
If threats of dire but unlikely punishment made any difference, a wide
variety of problems wouldn't exist.
That's why we need to change the mindset, not crank up threats that
people won't think apply to them.
R's,
John
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 14:34:26 +1100
From: David Clayton <dcstar@myrealbox.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: US may disable all in-car mobile phones
Message-ID: <pan.2010.12.06.03.34.22.156154@myrealbox.com>
On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 22:17:55 +0000, John Levine wrote:
........
> The problem is that people aren't thinking about the consequences, they
> want to take a call or send a text RIGHT NOW. The trick is adjusting the
> mental wiring so people think I want to take that call so I will PULL OVER
> FIRST.
>
Any reaction to a ringing phone can be dangerous, people immediately
pulling off the road because of an incoming call can also be a big problem
on busy multi-laned roads.
I don't bother to try to answer calls now when I am driving, I will try
and find a safe place to stop and check my voicemail ASAP but that may
mean waiting 5 or 10 minutes after the call rings out.
I just refuse to allow a ringing phone to force a Pavlovian response from
me any longer, it will get attended to when I decide not when it
demands.
It can be tough to fight the brainwashing of always answering a ringing
phone, but it can be done and you feel a lot less stressed once you free
yourself of the compulsion.
--
Regards, David.
David Clayton
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Knowledge is a measure of how many answers you have, intelligence is a
measure of how many questions you have.
***** Moderator's Note *****
I suggest we all change our cellular ringtones to the song
"I'll wait for you"...
Bill Horne
Moderator
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 21:52:33 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: As Bullies Go Digital, Parents Play Catch-Up
Message-ID: <p062408d8c921afbc3386@[10.0.1.2]>
As Bullies Go Digital, Parents Play Catch-Up
By JAN HOFFMAN
December 4, 2010
Ninth grade was supposed to be a fresh start for Marie's son: new
school, new children. Yet by last October, he had become withdrawn.
Marie prodded. And prodded again. Finally, he told her.
"The kids say I'm saying all these nasty things about them on
Facebook," he said. "They don't believe me when I tell them I'm not
on Facebook."
But apparently, he was.
Marie, a medical technologist and single mother who lives in
Newburyport, Mass., searched Facebook. There she found what seemed to
be her son's page: his name, a photo of him grinning while running -
and, on his public wall, sneering comments about teenagers he
scarcely knew.
Someone had forged his identity online and was bullying others
in his name.
Students began to shun him. Furious and frightened, Marie contacted
school officials. After expressing their concern, they told her they
could do nothing. It was an off-campus matter.
...
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/05/us/05bully.html
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 13:53:21 +1100
From: David Clayton <dcstar@myrealbox.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Man taken to hospital after Motorola Droid smartphone explodes
Message-ID: <pan.2010.12.06.02.53.20.421537@myrealbox.com>
From
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyle/the-other-side/man-taken-to-hospital-after-motorola-droid-smartphone-explodes/story-e6frfhk6-1225966412820
Man taken to hospital after Motorola Droid smartphone explodes
* Daily Telegraph
* From: NewsCore
* December 06, 2010 1:27PM
A MAN talking on his mobile phone ended his call - and then ended up in
hospital.
Aron Embry, who was in Cedar Hill, Texas, said he had just finished a call
when he said he heard a loud "pop."
He then felt something trickling down his face - it was blood.
His ear was bleeding profusely, and he was immediately taken to the
emergency room at Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas. He received four
stitches, but said there was no hearing loss.
The glass on the face of the Motorola Droid smartphone shattered. He said
he had bought it just two days earlier.
"Once I got to the mirror and saw it, it was only then I kind of looked at
my phone and realised that the screen had appeared to burst outward," he
said.
The phone still appeared to be functioning with its battery intact.
Motorola issued the following statement:
"Motorola's priority is, and always has been the safety of our customers,
and all Motorola products are designed, manufactured and tested to meet or
exceed international and local standards for consumer safety. We will
reach out to the consumer and investigate this thoroughly."
An exploding phone is rare, it is not unique.
An Indian man was killed when the Nokia cell phone he was using exploded
in his face in August.
Gopal Gujjar, 23, was found dead with burns to his left ear, neck and
shoulders, near a farm in Bandha village close to the city of Kota in the
northern Indian state of Rajasthan, The Times of India reported.
Mr Gujjar had apparently gone to the forest to graze cattle about noon and
was believed to be talking on the phone when it exploded.
Police found pieces of the Nokia 1209 handset, a basic model released in
August 2008, scattered nearby.
In January this year, a 27-year-old housewife in Andhra Pradesh, on the
southeastern coast of India, was killed while talking to her husband on a
charging phone.
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