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Volume 28 : Issue 301 : "text" Format
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Re: In the US and Canada it's time to "fall" back
Re: In the US and Canada it's time to "fall" back
Re: In the US and Canada it's time to "fall" back
Re: White Pages may fall victim of technology
Re: White Pages may fall victim of technology
Re: In the US and Canada it's time to "fall" back
Shrinking directories
Re: Shrinking directories
Re: White Pages may fall victim of technology
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Date: 1 Nov 2009 08:42:36 -0500
From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: In the US and Canada it's time to "fall" back
Message-ID: <hck38c$1l8$1@panix2.panix.com>
Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org> wrote:
>
> You may also get the time by tuning your HF radio to 2.5, 3.330, 5,
> 10, or 15 MHz, or by looking at your CDMA phone. If you want
> accurate time, EndRun Technologies sells a number of devices which
> can derive an accurate UTC timebase from the CDMA network. (My NTP
> stratum-1 at the office is driven by an EndRun Praecis Ct, since
> discontinued, which works quite nicely despite being in the middle
> of the fourth floor of a nine-story building.)
These all give you GMT time, which you have to convert to local time
using some algorithm.
Unfortunately that algorithm changed a few years ago; my parents have
a couple appliances which automatically reset their time to adjust for
daylight savings, but they do so on the old dates and not the
current ones.
I commend everyone to listen to Grandpa Jones' song on the subject.
"I twisted my old clock around 'till it ain't worth a dime. I just
don't understand this daylight savings time."
--scott
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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:07:41 +0000 (UTC)
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: In the US and Canada it's time to "fall" back
Message-ID: <hcktat$2lsb$2@grapevine.csail.mit.edu>
In article <hck38c$1l8$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
>These all give you GMT time, which you have to convert to local time
>using some algorithm.
No, actually, they give you UTC. GMT is only used in the United
Kingdom (and even there most sources which claim to report GMT are
actually reporting UTC).
-GAWollman
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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:06:10 -0500
From: T <kd1s.nospam@cox.nospam.net>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: In the US and Canada it's time to "fall" back
Message-ID: <MPG.2557ec72aa29f466989bda@news.eternal-september.org>
In article <hck38c$1l8$1@panix2.panix.com>, kludge@panix.com says...
>
> Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org> wrote:
> >
> > You may also get the time by tuning your HF radio to 2.5, 3.330, 5,
> > 10, or 15 MHz, or by looking at your CDMA phone. If you want
> > accurate time, EndRun Technologies sells a number of devices which
> > can derive an accurate UTC timebase from the CDMA network. (My NTP
> > stratum-1 at the office is driven by an EndRun Praecis Ct, since
> > discontinued, which works quite nicely despite being in the middle
> > of the fourth floor of a nine-story building.)
>
> These all give you GMT time, which you have to convert to local time
> using some algorithm.
>
> Unfortunately that algorithm changed a few years ago; my parents have
> a couple appliances which automatically reset their time to adjust for
> daylight savings, but they do so on the old dates and not the
> current ones.
>
> I commend everyone to listen to Grandpa Jones' song on the subject.
> "I twisted my old clock around 'till it ain't worth a dime. I just
> don't understand this daylight savings time."
>
> --scott
Yes I remember when the change was made. I was working at the RI
Secretary of State's office and we had to run around and patch all the
Windows boxes so they'd know the correct dates. Another example of
political bovine effluent costing real money.
One of the two phone systems (Had a Definity Prologix G3iV11 and a
Dimension G3iV6 system) the Prologix had a nice little calendar
feature where you could specify the dates for daylight saving time
occurence. I guess this was because at the time Avaya wanted to market
the switch to the world. I know it supported Italian E1 signalling
too.
The G3iV6 on the other hand had be manually reset. And the Audix
system used a similar calendaring application to set the time change.
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 10:50:31 EST
From: Wesrock@aol.com
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: White Pages may fall victim of technology
Message-ID: <cd1.5e2ff8ec.381f0847@aol.com>
In a message dated 10/31/2009 1:54:44 PM Central Standard Time,
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
> It used to be common for libraries to have directory collections, a
> larger library would have a massive shelf of many cities and towns.
> No more.
I once looked up my distant realtives in the phone book from Bern,
Switzerland, which had a great collection of phone books from around
the world. As you say, no more.
It was sometimes interesting the browse some phone books. The ones (5
volumes, I believe) from London, England, had a YP classificaiton for
"motor enginers". After reading some of the ads, it seems that was
the cusage for what we call auto repair shops.
Wes Leatherock
wesrock@aol.com
wleathus@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 10:56:07 EST
From: Wesrock@aol.com
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: White Pages may fall victim of technology
Message-ID: <d3e.4dd31c96.381f0997@aol.com>
In a message dated 10/31/2009 9:46:14 AM Central Standard Time,
sam@coldmail.com writes:
Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>> Really? Legislators can outlaw printed matter by declaring it
>> garbage? Shudder
>>
>> I have complained about the indexing of on line directories before,
>> which is designed to throw the maximum amount of advertising in my
>> face and NOT to fulfill my search request exactly as I typed in the
>> parameters.
>>
>> There is no current on line directory service as useful as a printed
>> phone directory. The useful ones aren't on line any more.
>
> Legislating the the LEC cannot distribute the directory except to
> those subscribers who request it is hardly outlawing printed matter.
>
> Let's face it, in this case it's the LECs who are the culprits, not
> the nanny legislator. The LEC knows putting a viable, searchable
> directory on-line will cut into their overpriced 411 directory
> service.
>
> Those white page directories are a horrible waste of paper and
> resources for the vast majority of subscribers.
>
> The LECs don't want to admit the existence of the Internet. ;-)
AT&T in Oklahoma City and several other cities have made white
(residential) pages available only on request, and in fact they make
it difficult to make such a request (the request must be made by
telephone only, not by e-mail or U.S. mail, and presumably you have to
wait in queue to make such a request. And they will not accept such a
reuqest until the delivery of the Yellow Pages in that exchange is
complete).
Wes Leatherock
wesrock@aol.com
wleathus@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:18:18 GMT
From: "Tony Toews \[MVP\]" <ttoews@telusplanet.net>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: In the US and Canada it's time to "fall" back
Message-ID: <442se5phcs6v9eib49uo15aj1cfjpega16@4ax.com>
wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) wrote:
> Isn't it a bit ridiculous to call it "standard time" when it's only
> observed for five months out of twelve? I think "winter time" would
> be a more appropriate name.
(Dunno if the moderator thinks this posting is excessively off topic but here you go
anyhow.) (You're allowed - BH. {Apologies to he-who-greps})
A literary appreciation of the Olson/Zoneinfo/tz database
http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/10/23/a-literary-appreciation-of-the-olsonzoneinfotz-database/
"What I didn't appreciate, ... is the historical scholarship scribbled
in the margins of this remarkable database, or document, or hybrid of
the two. "
....
"But look at the rules for Feb 9 1942 and Aug 14 1945. The letters are W and P
instead of D and S. And the comments tell us that during that period there were
timezones like Eastern War Time (EWT) and Eastern Peace Time (EPT). Arthur David
Olson elaborates: "
Tony
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:20:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Joseph Singer <joeofseattle@yahoo.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Shrinking directories
Message-ID: <317834.45656.qm@web52701.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
I just noticed when "Dex" was left in my apartment building entrance
that Dex yellow pages seem to be about the same size - ~2.5 inches
thick - but the white pages continues to get smaller. My 2009-2010
white pages are a third the size of the same book issued in the fall
of 2007: it's only about an inch thick.
When I arrived in Seattle back in 1993 the size of the white pages was
about the same size as the yellow pages ([as I said], ~2.5") I'm
guessing this is due to people forgoing their wire line phones and
going wireless. I haven't had wire line service for 7.5 years.
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:39:14 -0800
From: Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Shrinking directories
Message-ID: <hcld82$5nj$1@news.eternal-september.org>
Joseph Singer wrote:
> I just noticed when "Dex" was left in my apartment building entrance
> that Dex yellow pages seem to be about the same size - ~2.5 inches
> thick - but the white pages continues to get smaller. My 2009-2010
> white pages are a third the size of the same book issued in the fall
> of 2007: it's only about an inch thick.
>
> When I arrived in Seattle back in 1993 the size of the white pages was
> about the same size as the yellow pages ([as I said], ~2.5") I'm
> guessing this is due to people forgoing their wire line phones and
> going wireless. I haven't had wire line service for 7.5 years.
There are more listings per page then in the past.
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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:33:10 -0500
From: tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: White Pages may fall victim of technology
Message-ID: <op.u2qxdkqho63xbg@acer250.gateway.2wire.net>
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:19:46 -0400, Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com>
wrote:
> ...
> AT&T has digital versions of their printed ones and [they] are showen
> like the printed ones.
>
> http://www.realpageslive.com/guide
That seems to be a Yellow Pages counterpart.
For the White Pages, a substitute might be AT&T's
http://www.anywho.com,
which also has Reverse Lookup and Yellow Pages functionality.
Cheers, -- tlvp
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