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Message Digest Volume 28 : Issue 300 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Area code 533 assigned for personal communications services Re: White Pages may fall victim of technology Re: White Pages may fall victim of technology Re: White Pages may fall victim of technology Re: White Pages may fall victim of technology Re: White Pages may fall victim of technology Re: White Pages may fall victim of technology Re: White Pages may fall victim of technology Re: White Pages may fall victim of technology In the US and Canada it's time to "fall" back Re: In the US and Canada it's time to "fall" back Re: In the US and Canada it's time to "fall" back Re: In the US and Canada it's time to "fall" back Re: In the US and Canada it's time to "fall" back number exhaustion and portability, was Re: Area code 533 Re: number exhaustion and portability IETF Draft Memo on legacy networks Re: IETF Draft Memo on legacy networks Re: IETF Draft Memo on legacy networks Re: Comcast seeks NBC-U (continued) ====== 28 years of TELECOM Digest -- Founded August 21, 1981 ====== Telecom and VOIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) Digest for the Internet. 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Geoffrey Welsh =========================== See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer, and other stuff of interest. Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:15:54 -0500 From: rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Area code 533 assigned for personal communications services Message-ID: <3aSdnQwcEvR3NnbXnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote: +--------------- | But there are certainly disadvantages to go all wireless, too: | | Can one get broadband computer services from a teleco or cable company | if they don't have voice service? That is, can you get DSL without an | associated voice line? +--------------- Yes, at least in certain areas with certain vendors. E.g., my DSL service is through Speakeasy (actually provisioned by Covad) and that line is a separate pair to the CO and does not have any voice service on the line. +--------------- | I wonder how many traditional landlines are being permanently lost | to wireless, as opposed to being lost to alternative carriers, like | cableTV providers. +--------------- LOTS!! Recent estimates are that 25% have droppped landlines entirely, and that the switch from wireline to cell has hit the tipping point: http://www.economist.com/businessfinance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=14214847 Cutting the cord America loses its landlines Aug 13th 2009 | SAN FRANCISCO From The Economist print edition Ever greater numbers of Americans are disconnecting their home telephones, with momentous consequences ... Telecoms operators are seeing customers abandon landlines at a rate of 700,000 per month. Some analysts now estimate that 25% of households in America rely entirely on mobile phones (or cellphones, as Americans call them) -- a share that could double within the next three years. If the decline of the landline continues at its current rate, the last cord will be cut sometime in 2025. -Rob Rob Warnock <rpw3@rpw3.org> 627 26th Avenue <http://rpw3.org/> San Mateo, CA 94403 (650)572-2607 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 06:23:23 +0000 (UTC) From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: White Pages may fall victim of technology Message-ID: <hcgl4r$jue$9@news.albasani.net> > Booster seats. Door stops. Fodder for papier-mache projects. It > seems those thick phone books that land on most folks' doorsteps > each year get used for just about everything except locating phone > numbers. >If some state and local lawmakers have their way, however, even those >uses would go by the wayside. > Under legislation they hope to take to Sacramento in January, state > Sen. Leland Yee, D-San Francisco, and Millbrae Councilwoman Gina > Papan would bar phone companies from producing and distributing > White Pages unless people choose to receive it. > "All of us know in these cost-conscious times, with growing > awareness of the environment, that we need to make sure we don't > waste resources," Yee said during a news conference at Millbrae City > Hall on Thursday morning. >http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/10/29/BALL1ACEQ8.DTL&feed=rss.technology Really? Legislators can outlaw printed matter by declaring it garbage? Shudder I have complained about the indexing of on line directories before, which is designed to throw the maximum amount of advertising in my face and NOT to fulfill my search request exactly as I typed in the parameters. There is no current on line directory service as useful as a printed phone directory. The useful ones aren't on line any more. Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 07:39:07 -0700 From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: White Pages may fall victim of technology Message-ID: <f_XGm.1529$X77.920@newsfe24.iad> Adam H. Kerman wrote: > Really? Legislators can outlaw printed matter by declaring it > garbage? Shudder > > I have complained about the indexing of on line directories before, > which is designed to throw the maximum amount of advertising in my > face and NOT to fulfill my search request exactly as I typed in the > parameters. > > There is no current on line directory service as useful as a printed > phone directory. The useful ones aren't on line any more. Legislating the the LEC cannot distribute the directory except to those subscribers who request it is hardly outlawing printed matter. Let's face it, in this case it's the LECs who are the culprits, not the nanny legislator. The LEC knows putting a viable, searchable directory on-line will cut into their overpriced 411 directory service. Those white page directories are a horrible waste of paper and resources for the vast majority of subscribers. The LECs don't want to admit the existence of the Internet. ;-) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:19:46 +0000 (UTC) From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: White Pages may fall victim of technology Message-ID: <hci2ki$s2v$2@news.albasani.net> Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com> wrote: >Adam H. Kerman wrote: >> Really? Legislators can outlaw printed matter by declaring it >> garbage? Shudder >> I have complained about the indexing of on line directories before, >> which is designed to throw the maximum amount of advertising in my >> face and NOT to fulfill my search request exactly as I typed in the >> parameters. >> There is no current on line directory service as useful as a >> printed phone directory. The useful ones aren't on line any more. > Legislating the the LEC cannot distribute the directory except to > those subscribers who request it is hardly outlawing printed matter. Distribution is part of publishing. Yes, that's exactly what it means. > Let's face it, in this case it's the LECs who are the culprits, not > the nanny legislator. The LEC knows putting a viable, searchable > directory on-line will cut into their overpriced 411 directory > service. It's overpriced, so I won't use it. I like phone books. > Those white page directories are a horrible waste of paper and > resources for the vast majority of subscribers. No, they are not. They are a decently organized and therefore useful resource for which there are currently only inferior on line replacements. > The LECs don't want to admit the existence of the Internet. ;-) Till about two years ago, there were a number of very good white pages and yellow pages equivalent on line databases, based not on current billing records but possibly out of date phone directory lists. They got out of the business. Anyway, the Subject header on this message is wrong and doesn't describe the situation we are discussing. This smacks of prior restraint. Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:19:46 -0700 From: Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: White Pages may fall victim of technology Message-ID: <hchrjm$ga5$1@news.eternal-september.org> Adam H. Kerman wrote: > Joseph Singer <joeofseat...@yahoo.com> wrote; >> Booster seats. Door stops. Fodder for papier-mache projects. It >> seems those thick phone books that land on most folks' doorsteps >> each year get used for just about everything except locating phone >> numbers. > >> If some state and local lawmakers have their way, however, even >> those uses would go by the wayside. > >> Under legislation they hope to take to Sacramento in January, state >> Sen. Leland Yee, D-San Francisco, and Millbrae Councilwoman Gina >> Papan would bar phone companies from producing and distributing >> White Pages unless people choose to receive it. > >> "All of us know in these cost-conscious times, with growing >> awareness of the environment, that we need to make sure we don't >> waste resources," Yee said during a news conference at Millbrae >> City Hall on Thursday morning. > >> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/10/29/BALL1ACEQ8.DTL&feed=rss.technology > > Really? Legislators can outlaw printed matter by declaring it > garbage? Shudder. > > I have complained about the indexing of on line directories before, > which is designed to throw the maximum amount of advertising in my > face and NOT to fulfill my search request exactly as I typed in the > parameters. > > There is no current on line directory service as useful as a printed > phone directory. The useful ones aren't on line any more. > AT&T has digital versions of their printed ones and [they] are showen like the printed ones. http://www.realpageslive.com/guide -- The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today? (c) 2009 I Kill Spammers, Inc., A Rot in Hell. Co. Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 04:20:09 +0000 (UTC) From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: White Pages may fall victim of technology Message-ID: <hcj29p$jg7$3@news.albasani.net> Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com> wrote: >Adam H. Kerman wrote: >> There is no current on line directory service as useful as a >> printed phone directory. The useful ones aren't on line any more. > AT&T has digital versions of their printed ones and [they] are > showen like the printed ones. > http://www.realpageslive.com/guide I know about that. For historic reasons, it doesn't include directories in my area. RH Donnelley was the first publisher of a classified telephone directory although he didn't coin the term Yellow Pages or think to color the newsprint yellow. Traditionally, the Chicago classified business directory was the Red Book, not that I'm old enough to have seen one with a red cover. RHD has its own Web site which I despise, although some of the Dex television ads are kind of cute. Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:19:16 -0700 (PDT) From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: White Pages may fall victim of technology Message-ID: <acfe3d39-18a2-447d-a6b9-b0d80eacab84@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> On Oct 31, 2:23 am, "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote: > Really? Legislators can outlaw printed matter by declaring it garbage? > Shudder You're right, that is very disconcerting. As much as I believe in recycling and control of wasted paper* IMHO it is unconstitutional for the govt to tell someone what they may or may not print and distribute** But in the case of local telephone service, which is regulated, it may be a matter of saying the cost of the white pages would not be covered under the rate base; that would discourage the companies from printing it. In any event, I'm surprised it's not the telephone companies themselves pushing to end white pages. Years ago the directory made economic sense as it encouraged calling and discouraged DAB calls, but today that's no longer relevant. It used to be common for libraries to have directory collections, a larger library would have a massive shelf of many cities and towns. No more. Likewise, at large banks of pay phones there'd be a directory stand with numerous books, again, no more pay phone banks and it's rare to see a directory next to a pay phone these days (though I have.) > I have complained about the indexing of on line directories before, > which is designed to throw the maximum amount of advertising in my > face and NOT to fulfill my search request exactly as I typed in the > parameters. An online directory showed a long disconnected (5 years) line for me and not my current number. Then it had me living in a distant town. So what good is that? The online directories today are more interested in displaying ads than real information. Indeed, even when one is looking for ad stuff, e.g., a pizza place, the information is wildly inaccurate or unfocused. In a developed area, people will not drive 50-75 miles for a pizza, but those are the listings you get. * Our society, especially with computers, wastes an enormous amount of paper. My phone bill used to be one slip of paper, now it is so thick it requires extra postage. Electric bills used to be sent out on postcards. ** Certain types of porn are illegal. Actually how they get away with that I don't know; they claim it's harmful. But a newspaper story could be harmful, too. Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:50:57 -0700 From: Thad Floryan <thad@thadlabs.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: White Pages may fall victim of technology Message-ID: <4AEC8711.8030103@thadlabs.com> On 10/30/2009 11:23 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > Joseph Singer <joeofseat...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Under legislation they hope to take to Sacramento in January, state >> Sen. Leland Yee, D-San Francisco, and Millbrae Councilwoman Gina >> Papan would bar phone companies from producing and distributing >> White Pages unless people choose to receive it. I used to receive one copy of the local phone book (white+yellow pages) for each line I had (4); circa late 1990s, PacBell only delivered one phone book per house. > [...] > > I have complained about the indexing of on line directories before, > which is designed to throw the maximum amount of advertising in my > face and NOT to fulfill my search request exactly as I typed in the > parameters. Ain't that the truth?! > There is no current on line directory service as useful as a printed > phone directory. The useful ones aren't on line any more. Very true. I abandoned all land-lines in late 2002, becoming cellphone only. The funny thing is, I still receive the (one) phone book from Pac Bell (now "AT&tT") each year, delivered right to my front door even though I don't have any "AT&tT" service. The printed directory is far more useful than online lookups, especially the yellow pages per several lookups I did recently. Google's lookups have really deteriorated, too, becoming almost useless. Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:41:37 -0700 From: Thad Floryan <thad@thadlabs.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: White Pages may fall victim of technology Message-ID: <4AECAF11.4030401@thadlabs.com> On 10/31/2009 11:50 AM, Thad Floryan wrote: > [...] > Very true. I abandoned all land-lines in late 2002, becoming cellphone > only. The funny thing is, I still receive the (one) phone book from > Pac Bell (now "AT&tT") each year, delivered right to my front door even > though I don't have any "AT&tT" service. > [...] Friendly note to moderator: Bill, my use of "ATat&tT" (instead of "AT&T") is correct; the "new" (not real (not the company that brought us Bells Labs, Western Electric, etc.)) ATat&tT lowercases its name as can be seen in these 2 examples: http://thadlabs.com/PIX/at+t_div_check.jpg dividend check earlier this month http://thadlabs.com/PIX/at+t_phone_book.jpg upper corner Nov. 2009 phone book ***** Moderator's Note ***** Well, your original post had "ATat&tT", and I thought that was a copy paster and /or spellcheck error. My bad. Bill Horne Moderator Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:35:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph Singer <joeofseattle@yahoo.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: In the US and Canada it's time to "fall" back Message-ID: <321536.52775.qm@web52708.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This Sunday November 1 the US and Canada will revert to standard time. At 02:00 time will be adjusted to one hour earlier. Some various recorded time announcements: WWV: +1 303 499 7111 WWVH (Hawaii) +1 808 335 4363 US Naval Observatory (DC) +1 202 762 1401 Appleton Wisconsin: +1 920 734 0123 Baltimore +1 410 844 1234 Boston +1 617 637 1234 (you can also call 617-NERVOUS) Chattanooga +1 423 265 1411 DC +1 202 844 1234 Houston +1 713 755 7171 Oklahoma City +1 405 599 1234 Orlando +1 407 646 3131 Portland, Maine +1 207 775 4321 You may also get time by going to http://www.timeanddate.com and http://www.time.gov Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:33:40 -0700 From: Thad Floryan <thad@thadlabs.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: In the US and Canada it's time to "fall" back Message-ID: <4AEC8304.3000401@thadlabs.com> On 10/30/2009 6:35 PM, Joseph Singer wrote: > This Sunday November 1 the US and Canada will revert to standard time. > At 02:00 time will be adjusted to one hour earlier. > > Some various recorded time announcements: > > * WWV: | +1 303 499 7111 > [...] "Spring Forward, Fall Back". :-) Here (Silicon Valley (Calif.)) we used to have a special number one could dial, POPCORN, that provided the current time of day. I believe Pac Bell discontinued that service over 10 years ago. I used to run the free BATS (Bay Area Time Service) that people could call from their computers (via modem) to sync time using multiple time standards; the antenna for my WWV (now NIST) receiver went down during the Loma Prieta Earthquake (Oct. 17, 1989) and, given the then ubiquity of NTP (Network Time Protocol), I didn't re-erect the (original) antenna and discontinued BATS. Such is life. Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:08:23 -0400 From: tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: In the US and Canada it's time to "fall" back Message-ID: <hcicg6$66j$1@news.eternal-september.org> Joseph Singer wrote: > This Sunday November 1 the US and Canada will revert to standard time. > At 02:00 time will be adjusted to one hour earlier. > > Some various recorded time announcements: > YARTA (Yet Another Recorded Time Announcement): Southern CT | +1 203 777 4647 (203-SPRINGS) Cheers, -- tlvp Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:01:01 -0700 (PDT) From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: In the US and Canada it's time to "fall" back Message-ID: <3ddac0f5-efbc-4df1-80f2-2e01894f2ce4@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> On Oct 30, 9:35 pm, Joseph Singer <joeofseat...@yahoo.com> wrote: > This Sunday November 1 the US and Canada will revert to standard time. > At 02:00 time will be adjusted to one hour earlier. > > Some various recorded time announcements: > Is this list up to date? The Philadelphia time and weather numbers were discontinued a while back (covered here.) ***** Moderator's Note ***** You're right: I just check the Philadelphia number, and it's wired IO. I deleted it. Bill Horne Moderator Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 01:14:55 +0000 (UTC) From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: In the US and Canada it's time to "fall" back Message-ID: <hcinef$1t8n$1@grapevine.csail.mit.edu> In article <321536.52775.qm@web52708.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, Joseph Singer <joeofseattle@yahoo.com> wrote: >This Sunday November 1 the US and Canada will revert to standard time. >At 02:00 time will be adjusted to one hour earlier. Isn't it a bit ridiculous to call it "standard time" when it's only observed for five months out of twelve? I think "winter time" would be a more appropriate name. [...] >You may also get time by going to http://www.timeanddate.com and >http://www.time.gov You may also get the time by tuning your HF radio to 2.5, 3.330, 5, 10, or 15 MHz, or by looking at your CDMA phone. If you want accurate time, EndRun Technologies sells a number of devices which can derive an accurate UTC timebase from the CDMA network. (My NTP stratum-1 at the office is driven by an EndRun Praecis Ct, since discontinued, which works quite nicely despite being in the middle of the fourth floor of a nine-story building.) There are numerous public NTP servers which provide ~100 ms accuracy over the network. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft wollman@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993 ***** Moderator's Note ***** While it's true that WWV and CHU will tell you the correct Universal time, they can't tell you how to adjust your clock: some areas of the U.S. don't observe DST. What's worse, I have a Scott "automatic" alarm clock is equipped to automatically adjust for Daylight Saving Time - but on the old dates, not the current ones. My wife was an hour late for work last Sunday. Bill Horne Moderator Date: 31 Oct 2009 02:43:56 -0000 From: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: number exhaustion and portability, was Re: Area code 533 Message-ID: <20091031024356.14698.qmail@simone.iecc.com> "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote: > Joseph Singer <joeofseat...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> [In fact] the main consumer of numbering space was the CLECs. At >> one point CLECs could request a whole 10,000 block of numbers even >> if they were only going to use several hundred. It's only now with >> thousands block assignments that number assignments have >> dwindled. Number portability also plays into it. > Isn't number portability actually a more efficient use of numbering > space? That way, if a caller migrates from a land line to a cell > phone or CLEC, then it's a number used out of the original pool, not > the expanded pool of numbers assigned to that exchange on behalf of > other phone companies. And then, if as much of the expanded pool is > reclaimed as possible, perhaps that frees up numbering blocks for > assignment elsewhere for actual increased demand for line number > assignment. That's certainly the idea. One question to which I've never gotten a good answer is whether it's possible to port a number to a switch if the switch doesn't have any numbers of its own in the number's rate center. Around here we have lots of smallish rate centers, and every rate center has at least one ILEC switch. Without exception, the CLEC and mobile carriers' switches are all in Syracuse, close to the tandem switch, even they have local prefixes in many but not all of the rate centers. I don't see any technical bar to porting to such a switch. For every number there's the dialed number (DN) and the routing number (RN). If the number hasn't been ported, the two numbers are the same, if it has been ported, the RN is a number assigned to the switch, used to route the call. All numbers ported to a particular switch typically have the same RN. There's no evident technical reason why the DN and RN would have to be in the same rate center, but I haven't been able to tell whether there are policies requiring that they are. If the DN and RN don't have to be in the same rate center, CLECs et all would only have to get one thousands group assigned, so their switch would have a RN, and could then port everything from anywhere in the LATA. That would be about as efficient use of number space as you could imagine. R's, John Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:13:16 +0000 (UTC) From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: number exhaustion and portability Message-ID: <hci28c$s2v$1@news.albasani.net> John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote: > One question to which I've never gotten a good answer is whether > it's possible to port a number to a switch if the switch doesn't > have any numbers of its own in the number's rate center. No, it's not possible, for that would mean true customer service. I had the same land line number for 20 years. I tried to use reason and logic to explain to Illinois Bell/Ameritech/SBC/AT&T that the number portability database is a translation table that does not care if the number points to a loop on a competitor's switch, a cell phone, or a loop on a foreign switch in AT&T's network. It fell on deaf ears. If the federal regulation for number portability is on a rate center basis, well, we all know that some locations in the rate center's polygon may have a different wire center, so the concept of "foreign switch" already exists in the logic of the translation table. They used to have a nice service that allowed the number to ring at two different locations both served by the same switch if someone is relocating locally. The period of overlap was a month or two. You could pay for a much longer period of overlaps, a few bucks extra a month. They don't do that any more. They no longer offer residential foreign exchange service, somewhat expensive. I assume business foreign exchange service is still offered, but I gave up at that point and had the number ported to a cell phone. > I don't see any technical bar to porting to such a switch. As a friend of mine points out, finding the practical solution with engineering is the easy part. The difficult part is changing the nature of the social situation, the custom, or the politics that retains the status quo. Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:04:14 -0400 From: Telecom digest moderator <telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom.csail.mit.edu> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: IETF Draft Memo on legacy networks Message-ID: <20091031160414.GA19197@telecom.csail.mit.edu> The Internet Engineering Task Force is considering interactions between VoIP and the PSTN: Mass-Calling Events and autodialers figure prominently in a new Internet-Draft memo. In the context of this draft, the PSTN is a legacy network. (NOW how old do you feel? ;-) ) Abstract The IETF PCN Working Group has continued its work investigating pre- congestion and admission control mechanisms. This work has progressed under the current charter, but has not yet considered related legacy PSTN interactions or the need for ubiquitous connectivity between users on dissimilar networks. The PCN charter could be improved by a strong positive statement to the effect committing to future work addressing legacy networks. In that light, please consider the questions below which include differential PCN treatment based on traffic types, security, and PSTN interoperability concerns. It seems helpful to have a touchstone of some concerns relative to the PSTN network and IP network Gateway in order to confirm that they will be addressed in future work. This attempt is motivated by a desire to avoid the accidental omission of a topic that may be hard to "retrofit" in later. http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-goldman-pcn-pstn-scope-07.txt -- Bill Horne Moderator Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:32:48 GMT From: Stephen <stephen_hope@xyzworld.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: IETF Draft Memo on legacy networks Message-ID: <94bpe5lj3g9sjbl0p8d1df8uao6rjchs5g@4ax.com> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:04:14 -0400, Telecom digest moderator <telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom.csail.mit.edu> wrote: > The Internet Engineering Task Force is considering interactions > between VoIP and the PSTN: Mass-Calling Events and autodialers figure > prominently in a new Internet-Draft memo. > > In the context of this draft, the PSTN is a legacy network. > (NOW how old do you feel? ;-) ) definition of a legacy network reliable, well understood, working, predictable....... -- Regards stephen_hope@xyzworld.com - replace xyz with ntl Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:08:09 +1100 From: David Clayton <dcstar@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: IETF Draft Memo on legacy networks Message-ID: <pan.2009.11.01.05.08.08.314476@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:32:48 +0000, Stephen wrote: > On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:04:14 -0400, Telecom digest moderator > <telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom.csail.mit.edu> > wrote: > >> The Internet Engineering Task Force is considering interactions between >> VoIP and the PSTN: Mass-Calling Events and autodialers figure >> prominently in a new Internet-Draft memo. >> >> In the context of this draft, the PSTN is a legacy network. (NOW how >> old do you feel? ;-) ) > > definition of a legacy network > > reliable, well understood, working, predictable....... 10-BASE2, Token Ring? ;-) -- Regards, David. David Clayton Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Knowledge is a measure of how many answers you have, intelligence is a measure of how many questions you have. Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:18:06 -0700 From: Richard <rng@richbonnie.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Comcast seeks NBC-U (continued) Message-ID: <f2soe5t7tn9s6rbkqeqf8ukdi5rfu28rl8@4ax.com> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:21:37 -0700, "John Meissen" <john@meissen.org> wrote: > All prime-time slots are now at least 1/3 commercials (i.e., 20 > minutes of commercials in a one-hour slot). All the more reason to time-shift your TV programs. I record on my DVR everything I want to watch. Then later I fast-forward through the commercials. My "skip ahead 30 seconds" button gets a good workout. ***** Moderator's Note ***** My local "CW" station has started running ads as overlays on the screen while programs are running. Next, it'll be "Blipverts" like they had in 'Max Headroom'. Bill Horne Moderator TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly to telecom- munications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to Usenet, where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Bill Horne. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occasional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. The Telecom Digest is moderated by Bill Horne. 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