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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 04:57:22 +0000 (UTC)
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Wikipedia vs. the Small Screen
Message-ID: <ldms3i$17si$1@grapevine.csail.mit.edu>
In article <pan.2014.02.15.01.04.16.159176@NOSPAM.yahoo.com.au>,
David Clayton <dc33box-usenet2@NOSPAM.yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 17:23:39 -0500, Barry Margolin wrote:
>
>> In article <pan.2014.02.12.22.29.10.219578@NOSPAM.yahoo.com.au>,
>> David Clayton <dc33box-usenet2@NOSPAM.yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:00:11 -0500, Monty Solomon wrote:
>>>
>>> > Wikipedia vs. the Small Screen
>>> >
>>> > By NOAM COHEN
>>> > FEB. 9, 2014
>>> >
>>> > The Internet behemoths Google and Facebook have proved they can still
>>> > attract users and advertisers as their traffic shifts from desktops
>>> > to mobile devices.
>.......
>> The question isn't about viewing articles, it's whether people will
>> create and edit articles when they're using mobile devices. People may
>> find the small screens too cumbersome for detailed work like this,
>> especially if a big portion of the screen is taken up for the virtual
>> keyboard.
>
>Same difference - the editing feature should (if it is built in the right
>way) detect what sort of device you are using and provide an appropriate
>interface to get the job done.
[...]
>Whether people want to edit/create Wikipedia articles on tiny devices with
>their inherent interface limitations is another matter,
No, that is the precise matter that we are talking about here.
-GAWollman
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 12:07:00 -0500
From: Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Wikipedia vs. the Small Screen
Message-ID: <barmar-5DF110.12070015022014@news.eternal-september.org>
In article <pan.2014.02.15.01.04.16.159176@NOSPAM.yahoo.com.au>,
David Clayton <dc33box-usenet2@NOSPAM.yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 17:23:39 -0500, Barry Margolin wrote:
>
> > In article <pan.2014.02.12.22.29.10.219578@NOSPAM.yahoo.com.au>,
> > David Clayton <dc33box-usenet2@NOSPAM.yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:00:11 -0500, Monty Solomon wrote:
> >>
> >> > Wikipedia vs. the Small Screen
> >> >
> >> > By NOAM COHEN
> >> > FEB. 9, 2014
> >> >
> >> > The Internet behemoths Google and Facebook have proved they can still
> >> > attract users and advertisers as their traffic shifts from desktops
> >> > to mobile devices.
> .......
> > The question isn't about viewing articles, it's whether people will
> > create and edit articles when they're using mobile devices. People may
> > find the small screens too cumbersome for detailed work like this,
> > especially if a big portion of the screen is taken up for the virtual
> > keyboard.
>
> Same difference - the editing feature should (if it is built in the right
> way) detect what sort of device you are using and provide an appropriate
> interface to get the job done.
The article said that Wikipedia enabled editing on mobile devices last
summer. Did you read anything beyond the initial paragraph that was
quoted in the digest?
>
> Whether people want to edit/create Wikipedia articles on tiny devices with
> their inherent interface limitations is another matter, that will be their
That was the whole point of the article -- as people migrate to mobile
devices, are they going to keep providing content for Wikipedia? It's
not about whether they can, but whether they will.
--
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 18:47:53 -0500
From: Bill Horne <bill@horneQRM.net>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Wikipedia vs. the Small Screen
Message-ID: <20140215234753.GB23903@telecom.csail.mit.edu>
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 12:07:00PM -0500, Barry Margolin wrote:
> That was the whole point of the article -- as people migrate to mobile
> devices, are they going to keep providing content for Wikipedia? It's
> not about whether they can, but whether they will.
I just inherited a phone from my sister, and I won't even write an
email on the keyboard that thing has. It drives me nuts just trying to
enter names in the address book!
I'd have to pay extra for Internet access, so that's not going to
happen, but even if it wasn't going to cost any more, and even if the
tiny slide-out QWERTY keyboard was big enough to use without a nail
set for the keys, and the screen big enough to see without a
microscope, I wouldn't be willing to peck away at it while holding it
with one hand.
Bill
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