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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 16:06:54 -0400
From: "Bob Goudreau" <BobGoudreau@nc.rr.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Uptick in do-not-call violations
Message-ID: <C25AFBD1FAC34C7F89F9671E56AE3375@meng.lab.emc.com>
Richard Bonnie wrote:
> Obtelecom (in a way): Several years ago, while reviewing my credit
> card charges online, I spotted a $25 charge for Internet service in
> Leningrad, Russia. When I reported it, Citi agreed that it had to be
> bogus, and that my card had been compromised.
I'm surprised that you even had to complain in order for Citi to deem it
fraudulent. The dodgy charge location information alone should have been
sufficient for them to spot it as bogus. The country of Russia (either the
prerevolutionary empire or the post-Soviet Russian Federation) has never
contained a city named Leningrad, a name which was applied to the city only
during (most of) the era when it was part of the Soviet Union. The city's
name was restored to St. Petersburg before the USSR dissolved.
The current Russian Federation does contain an oblast (province) still named
Leningrad, which borders but does not include the city of St. Petersburg.
However, I would be surprised to see such a nonspecific location on a credit
card bill's charge detail -- "Leningrad, Russia" is analogous to "Texas,
USA", "Manitoba, Canada" or "Bayern (Bavaria), Germany", in that it
identifies only a broad geographical area within a country instead of a
specific city in that area.
Bob Goudreau
Cary, NC
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 16:15:26 -0400
From: "Bob Goudreau" <BobGoudreau@nc.rr.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Verizon Wireless Offers iPad at Stores Nationwide on October 28
Message-ID: <D3A0E2772BCD4C9482D013A16B7F8E9C@meng.lab.emc.com>
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> For $629.99, I'd rather hire a High-School Track athlete to run my
> messages around. I'm sorry, but this leaves me with jet lag: there
> isn't a phone in the world worth that kind of dough.
Er, Bill, you do realize that the iPad is not a phone, but a tablet
computer, right? Though I am amused at the mental image of you in a store
holding a device the size of a National Geographic up to your ear, trying in
vain to get it to put your phone call through... :-)
Bob Goudreau
Cary, NC
***** Moderator's Note *****
I don't have to hold a National Geographic up to my ear to make phone
calls: a simple headset and VoIP works just fine, and I can use it
with a laptop that I get for free from the recycling bin in the town
where I live.
I'll still pick up National Geographic though: I read it for the
articles.
Bill Horne
Moderator
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 09:30:07 +0000 (UTC)
From: colin <colins@swiftdsl.com.au>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Verizon Wireless Offers iPad at Stores Nationwide on October 28
Message-ID: <64FC020E-105A-43FE-86FE-C79B3CA6AA61%colins@swiftdsl.com.au>
"Bob Goudreau" <BobGoudreau@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> Er, Bill, you do realize that the iPad is not a phone, but a tablet
> computer, right? Though I am amused at the mental image of you in a store
> holding a device the size of a National Geographic up to your ear, trying in
> vain to get it to put your phone call through... :-)
Er, Bob, the iPad works just fine as a speakerphone with Skype: you can connect
a headset too if you need privacy.
colin
***** Moderator's Note *****
If it's offered by Verizon Wireless, it is, as far as I'm concerned, a
cell phone. It might be bigger than an Iphone, or smaller than a
building, but the fundamental paradigm of charging by the microsecond
and treating customers like cattle will remain, no matter if it's data
or voice that's being transmitted.
IMNSHO, It's not worth what they're charging.
Bill Horne
Moderator
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 16:32:37 -0400
From: "Bob Goudreau" <BobGoudreau@nc.rr.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: IVR Hell
Message-ID: <1B79C31D13724BD49054D06C3E14120A@meng.lab.emc.com>
Fred Atkinson wrote
> Not quite. Though [Sirius and XM] are now both owned by the same
> company, they are still operating as separate systems.
> They intend to merge them but not as yet.
But note that they have at least realigned their channel lineups so that
many of the channels are available on both services, often at the same
channel number (e.g., "40s on 4", "50s on 5", ... "90s on 9".)
I suppose the obvious telephonic analogue of Sirius XM would be Sprint
Nextel, which is also struggling to integrate two disparate (and not
particularly synergistic) wireless communication networks (CDMA and iDEN in
their case).
Bob Goudreau
Cary, NC
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:44:26 -0500
From: Neal McLain <nmclain@annsgarden.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Bell System Technical Journal
Message-ID: <4CBBA67A.2020608@annsgarden.com>
Cross-posted from the TCI list:
Alcatel-Lucent has made the complete set of back issues of "Bell System
Technical Journal," 1922-1983, available online at
http://bstj.bell-labs.com/
Neal McLain
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:08:03 -0700
From: Thad Floryan <thad@thadlabs.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Bell System Technical Journal
Message-ID: <4CBC0E73.8080203@thadlabs.com>
On 10/17/2010 6:44 PM, Neal McLain wrote:
> Cross-posted from the TCI list:
>
> Alcatel-Lucent has made the complete set of back issues of "Bell System
> Technical Journal," 1922-1983, available online at
> http://bstj.bell-labs.com/
Fantastic! And every article is an individual PDF!
*HOWEVER*, http://bstj.bell-labs.com/ must be the endpoint of a T1 or,
perhaps, a 56K modem or even some tin cans connected by string -- something
limited to a data rate of approximately 8-14 KBytes/S meaning almost an
hour to download one article (all of which seem to be sized 30-50 MB each).
It's not my connection; I have a DOCSIS 2.0 cable connection and download
full OS ISOs (3 to 5 GB) from, say, Microsoft in about 20 minutes, and similar
speeds from Stanford U. and Hewlett-Packard as I just verified again a few
minutes ago to be sure it's not my connection that's the bottleneck.
Traceroutes (from here, Silicon Valley) are fine until *.NYC8.ALTER.NET
and then bog down incredibly at lucent-gw.customer.alter.net beyond which
is a maze of twisty little passages, all alike, with hollow echoes. :-)
Pinging bstj.bell-labs.com resolves to orion.research.bell-labs.com and
ICMP is apparently ignored (so no response to a ping request).
I suppose a scripted wget in the background is what's necessary to fetch
articles as, for example:
"Mathematical theory of laminated transmission lines", November 1952,
pages 1121-1206, 35.6 MB:
wget http://bstj.bell-labs.com/BSTJ/images/Vol31/bstj31-6-1121.pdf
Date: 17 Oct 2010 08:43:43 -0400
From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Happy anniversary cellphone!
Message-ID: <i9er1v$3cv$1@panix2.panix.com>
Lisa or Jeff <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>
>Speaking of communications and cars, my friend had to drop off the car
>for repairs at a garage. In the back was a CB radio with various
>calls for auto parts. That was kind of thing back then.
That was not a CB radio, I hope, since commercial use of CB is pretty
frowned upon.
What was common back then (and is still common) is a landline loop that
connects a bunch of auto parts suppliers with "squawk boxes." It acts
like a radio... you push the transmit button, it puts your voice out on
the loop and you shout "need a hood ornament for a '52 Humbert Super
Snipe" into the mike and it comes out of hundreds of speakers in auto
recyclers around the country, and hopefully one of them comes back with
one.
These days there are internet databases that do the same thing without
requiring constant attention on the part of someone at each shop.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
***** Moderator's Note *****
The Citizen's Band (actually, the Citizens Radio Service) is
intended for commercial use. You are probably confusing it with the
Amateur Radio Service, which forbids "pecuniary interest".
BTW, the circuit you're thinking of is called a "Hoot 'n Holler".
Bill Horne
Moderator
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 10:05:54 -0700
From: Richard <rng@richbonnie.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Happy anniversary cellphone!
Message-ID: <s9amb6djgjqkb9bn139chgfnf57s4fdvi2@4ax.com>
>***** Moderator's Note *****
>
>I think Ham Radio will regain much of the popularity it once held:
>with the Internet now little more than an advertising channel where
>even the most trivial of ftp tasks has been dumbed down to the point
>that even football jocks can have a facetube page,
>technically-inclined youth will, once again, turn to the airwaves.
>
>Bill Horne
>Moderator
I think you are correct, Bill. I am the leader of the Amateur Radio
exam team in my small town of Pahrump, NV, (35,000 population) halfway
between Las Vegas, NV and Death Valley, CA. Last spring we were
getting 10 to 13 candidates at our every-other-month exam sessions,
vs. 2 or 3 candidates in the previous years. About a third have been
young people. The Las Vegas exam team has been seeing similar
increases in numbers.
The numbers have slackened off this summer, to 2 to 4 per session. But
that's because it's so hot here in the summer (110 degres F), that
many people go north to Montana and Idaho, returning in the autumn. We
call them Snowbirds. I expect that this winter we will get large
numbers of candidates again.
Of course, we help things along with study programs, in January for
those who want an entry-level license, and in February for those who
want to upgrade to the General Class license.
Dick
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:24:05 -0600
From: "Fred Atkinson, WB4AEJ" <fred@remove-this.wb4aej.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Happy anniversary cellphone!
Message-ID: <20101018132403.79316.qmail@gal.iecc.com>
Bill,
I sincerely hope that you are right about ham radio.
I'm going to share your note and Dick's note on our local
radio club's mailing list.
73,
Fred, WB4AEJ
> >***** Moderator's Note *****
> >
> >I think Ham Radio will regain much of the popularity it once held:
> >with the Internet now little more than an advertising channel where
> >even the most trivial of ftp tasks has been dumbed down to the point
> >that even football jocks can have a facetube page,
> >technically-inclined youth will, once again, turn to the airwaves.
> >
> >Bill Horne
> >Moderator
>
>I think you are correct, Bill. I am the leader of the Amateur Radio
>exam team in my small town of Pahrump, NV, (35,000 population) halfway
>between Las Vegas, NV and Death Valley, CA. Last spring we were
>getting 10 to 13 candidates at our every-other-month exam sessions,
>vs. 2 or 3 candidates in the previous years. About a third have been
>young people. The Las Vegas exam team has been seeing similar
>increases in numbers.
>
>The numbers have slackened off this summer, to 2 to 4 per session. But
>that's because it's so hot here in the summer (110 degres F), that
>many people go north to Montana and Idaho, returning in the autumn. We
>call them Snowbirds. I expect that this winter we will get large
>numbers of candidates again.
>
>Of course, we help things along with study programs, in January for
>those who want an entry-level license, and in February for those who
>want to upgrade to the General Class license.
>
>Dick
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:17:01 +1100
From: David Clayton <dcstar@myrealbox.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: The Zombie Network: Beware 'Free Public WiFi'
Message-ID: <pan.2010.10.18.07.16.58.484616@myrealbox.com>
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 11:31:34 -0400, Monty Solomon wrote:
> The Zombie Network: Beware 'Free Public WiFi' by TRAVIS LARCHUK
>
> October 9, 2010
>
> It's in your airports, your coffee shops and your libraries: "Free Public
> WiFi."
.........
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> I STILL can't decide if it's a joke.
>
> Bill Horne
> Moderator
As far as I can ascertain, it is/was an XP "feature" that allowed
connection to this advertised network, and if your particular PC has
security holes then whoever was running this network could do naughty
things to your machine (apart from capture all of your data packets).
If people are stupid enough to casually connect their machines to any of
these "Whore" networks (do you really know how clean they are?) then they
deserve all they cop IMHO.
I wonder how many people using these "free" WiFi networks also use
unencrypted POP3 or IMAP connections on their e-mail clients? Aren't clear
text passwords wonderful......
--
Regards, David.
David Clayton
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Knowledge is a measure of how many answers you have, intelligence is a
measure of how many questions you have.
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:43:44 +1100
From: David Clayton <dcstar@myrealbox.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: iPhones for Toddlers
Message-ID: <pan.2010.10.18.05.43.41.372008@myrealbox.com>
On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:19:28 -0400, Monty Solomon wrote:
>
> Toddlers' Favorite Toy: The iPhone
>
> By HILARY STOUT
> October 15, 2010
..........
> Natasha Sykes, a mother of two in Atlanta, remembers the first time her
> daughter, Kelsey, now 3 1/2 but then barely 2 years old, held her
> husband's iPhone. "She pressed the button and it lit up. I just remember
> her eyes. It was like 'Whoa!' "
>
> The parents were charmed by their daughter's fascination. But then, said
> Ms. Sykes (herself a BlackBerry user), "She got serious about the phone."
>
> Kelsey would ask for it. Then she'd cry for it. "It was like she'd always
> want the phone," Ms. Sykes said. After a six-hour search one day, she and
> her husband found the iPhone tucked away under Kelsey's bed. They laughed.
> But they also felt vague concern. Kelsey, and her 2-year-old brother,
> Chase, have blocks, Legos, bouncing balls, toy cars and books galore.
> ("They love books," Ms. Sykes said.) But nothing compares to the iPhone.
>
So let me get this straight - in this age of Internet Nasties where
parents are paranoid about what their children might stumble upon given
their networked access to the world now parents are giving babies a
device with just as much access?
Huh?
--
Regards, David.
David Clayton
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Knowledge is a measure of how many answers you have, intelligence is a
measure of how many questions you have.
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 00:26:20 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: EPIC Alert 17.19
Message-ID: <p06240856c8e02b2fe966@[192.168.180.230]>
=======================================================================
E P I C A l e r t
=======================================================================
Volume 17.19 October 1, 2010
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Published by the
Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC)
Washington, D.C.
=======================================================================
Table of Contents
=======================================================================
[1] Virginia Court of Appeals Authorizes Warrantless GPS Tracking
[2] Groups Urgs Supreme Court to Curtail Government Secrecy
[3] EPIC Submits Comments to Council of Europe on Profiling
[4] Ninth Circuit Strips Guidelines from Fourth Amendment Opinion
[5] Tests in Italy Raise New Questions About Airport Body Scanners
[6] News in Brief
[7] EPIC Book Review: "Because it is Wrong"
[8] Upcoming Conferences and Events
...
http://www.epic.org/alert/epic_alert_1719.htmlhttp://www.epic.org/alert/epic_alert_1719.html
***** Moderator's Note *****
The URL published yesterday for EPIC Alert 17.18 isn't working,
although I confirmed that it's the same one shown on the EPIC
website. I sent an email to the postmaster.
Bill Horne
Moderator
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 08:57:32 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: What They Know: The Web's New Gold Mine: Your Secrets
Message-ID: <p0624087dc8e1ed2db357@[192.168.180.230]>
WHAT THEY KNOW
The Web's New Gold Mine: Your Secrets
A Journal investigation finds that one of the fastest-growing
businesses on the Internet is the business of spying on consumers.
First in a series.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703940904575395073512989404.html
Microsoft Quashed Bid to Boost Web Privacy
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703467304575383530439838568.html
On Web's Frontier, Anonymity in Name Only
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703294904575385532109190198.html
Stalking by Cellphone
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703467304575383522318244234.html
Google Agonizes Over Privacy
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703309704575413553851854026.html
Kids Face Intensive Tracking on Web
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703904304575497903523187146.html
'Scrapers' Dig Deep for Data on Web
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703358504575544381288117888.html
Personal Details Exposed Via Biggest U.S. Websites
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703977004575393173432219064.html
The Journal's Methodology
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703977004575393121635952084.html
How the Analysis of Children's Sites Was Conducted
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703904304575498043094612272.html
What They Know About You
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703999304575399041849931612.html
Digits: Your Questions on Digital Privacy
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2010/07/30/your-questions-on-digital-privacy/
Digits: Analyzing What You Have Typed
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2010/07/30/analyzing-what-you-have-typed/
Digits: Lawsuit Tackles Files That 'Re-Spawn' Cookies
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2010/07/30/lawsuit-tackles-files-that-re-spawn-tracking-cookies/
Full Coverage: wsj.com/WTK
http://online.wsj.com/wtk
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:44:43 +1100
From: David Clayton <dcstar@myrealbox.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Spammers Use The Human Touch To Avoid CAPTCHA
Message-ID: <pan.2010.10.18.09.44.40.901858@myrealbox.com>
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 11:31:34 -0400, Monty Solomon wrote:
>
> Spammers Use The Human Touch To Avoid CAPTCHA
>
> by NPR STAFF
> October 17, 2010
..........
> Spammers and mass-ticket purchasers have outsourced CAPTCHA solving to
> teams of low-wage workers in places like Russia and Southeast Asia. Many
> of them don't even speak English. They don't have to, according to Stefan
> Savage.
..........
Good to see some of the massive wealth of modern industrialised countries
being transferred to some of the poorer people on the planet.
Isn't this how "Globalisation" is supposed to work?
--
Regards, David.
David Clayton
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Knowledge is a measure of how many answers you have, intelligence is a
measure of how many questions you have.
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 05:54:30 -0500
From: rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock)
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Spammers Use The Human Touch To Avoid CAPTCHA
Message-ID: <S8ydnbYmQoP7uiHRnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>
+---------------
| ***** Moderator's Note *****
....
| I TOLD YOU SO!
| THIS is what "One laptop per child" leads to: the electronic version
| of wetback labor. Cheap, disposable, inexhaustible supplies of froggy
| litttle native children waiting to do the bidding of the Great White
| Hunter who gives away free candy, free firearms, and free computers.
|
| There is, of course, a catch: the dentist isn't free, the ammunition
| isn't free, and the network isn't free. Nothing, in the final
| analysis, is free when the Great White Hunter tosses it off the back
| of the coffee truck.
+---------------
You might want to read Cory Doctorow's "For The Win":
http://craphound.com/ftw/about/
...
At any hour of the day or night, millions of people around the globe
are engrossed in multiplayer online games, questing and battling to
win virtual "gold," jewels, and precious artifacts. Meanwhile, others
seek to exploit this vast shadow economy, running electronic sweatshops
in the world's poorest countries, where countless "gold farmers," bound
to their work by abusive contracts and physical threats, harvest virtual
treasure for their employers to sell to First World gamers who are
willing to spend real money to skip straight to higher-level gameplay.
...
And then what happens when the underaged gold farmers try to unionize...
+---------------
| Someone once said that any sufficiently advanced technology is
| indistinguishable from magic.
+---------------
Arthur C. Clarke:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_Third_Law
-Rob
Rob Warnock <rpw3@rpw3.org>
627 26th Avenue <URL:http://rpw3.org/>
San Mateo, CA 94403 (650)572-2607
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:57:24 -0500
From: Neal McLain <nmclain@annsgarden.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: XM Radio and Sirius merger
Message-ID: <4CBC4434.6010803@annsgarden.com>
Bill Horne wrote:
> XM and Sirius have combined? What did they do
> with the spare satellites?
Garrett Wollman wrote:
> There's nothing spare about them. Both of the XM
> satellites are required to operate the "XM" service, and
> all of the Sirius satellites (there are more of them as
> they are in a non-geosynchronous orbit) ...
Ah, but they are geosynchronous -- they're just not geostationary.
There's an infinite number of geosynchronous orbits, but only one of
them is geostationary.
GEOSYNCHRONOUS: A satellite whose period equals one sidereal day, or
about 23h 57m 4s.
http://www.sbe24.org/techdocs/Geosat/satgeom1.asp
GEOSTATIONARY: A satellite which meets three criteria:
- Is geosynchronous
- Is circular.
- Lies in the Earth's equatorial plane.
Sirius uses three active satellites in a highly elliptical Tundra orbit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tundra_orbit
The Tundra orbit does not lie in the equatorial plane; it is inclined at
approximately 63.4 degrees with respect to the equatorial plane. That
figure results from an analysis of "secular variations" in the forces
acting on the satellite. These forces cancel each other at 63.4
degrees. The aforementioned Wikipedia article includes a brief
explanation; a detailed analysis is available (for a fee) at:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/g75051758284q760/
Bill Horne wrote:
> I didn't know that Sirius was using Low Earth Orbit
> satellites: how many birds do they have in their
> constellation?
The Tundra orbit is not low-earth; at apogee, it is even farther from
earth than the geostationary orbit.
> And, why did XM decide that the Clarke Belt was
> "close enough"?
XM satellites in geostationary orbit (aka Clarke Belt) are actually
closer to the earth than Sirius's. Sirius chose the Tundra orbit
because it results in a higher elevation angle (closer to the zenith)
with respect to locations in North America.
"David" <someone@somewhere.com wrote:
> For Sirius, they have three. Look up 'Tundra orbit' for
> details. As to your second question, I have no idea, but
> the Clarke Belt is a long haul and I do not know how they
> get enough signal from there for it to work with the tiny
> receive antennas they use.
The Tundra Orbit is an even longer haul. Which means that a Sirius
satellite, when over North America, is farther from earth than an XM
satellite. But, as I noted above, the elevation angle is higher which
reduces potential signal blockage from mountains and tall buildings.
Neal McLain
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