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Volume 28 : Issue 268 : "text" Format
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Re: What if People Don't Take the Bait to Go Paperless?
Re: What if People Don't Take the Bait to Go Paperless?
Re: What if People Don't Take the Bait to Go Paperless?
Re: What if People Don't Take the Bait to Go Paperless?
Re: Guess What Texting Costs Your Wireless Provider?
Re: What if People Don't Take the Bait to Go Paperless?
Re: Prepaid Data SIM for GSM/GPRS/EDGE/UMTS/HSPA Croatia?
Re: Prepaid Data SIM for GSM/GPRS/EDGE/UMTS/HSPA Croatia?
Re: Guess What Texting Costs Your Wireless Provider?
Re: What if People Don't Take the Bait to Go Paperless?
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:51:39 -0800
From: John David Galt <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: What if People Don't Take the Bait to Go Paperless?
Message-ID: <h9s3nu$eot$1@blue.rahul.net>
> John David Galt wrote:
>> Anyone who sends out files in proprietary formats to the
>> public -- including owners of web sites -- should be using
>> old versions, since it's their job, and not each viewer's, to
>> anticipate such problems.
Sam Spade wrote:
> But, the Adobe Reader is free. There are features that require
> keeping the reader current.
There are also situations that make it impossible for some people. In
my case, both at home and work, perfectly good but old computers on
which Windows XP and Vista (and therefore the newest versions of
Acrobat) refuse to install.
> PDF is virtually the de facto standard for keeping documents in
their > original format across platforms.
Granted. I can't wait until a version of Ghostscript/Ghostview as
robust as Adobe's product is available.
***** Moderator's Note *****
Now, you see, if the files were in HTML format, nobody would have a
problem reading them. ;-)
But seriously, Adobe's strategy has been successfull to this point:
creating a "portable" document format has kept their brand name and
products in front of the public, and the company has continued to
create or acquire the software needed to make it the preeminent
graphics tool-provider in the WinTel sector. I doubt they like
everyone else being able to create PDF files, but you can't win 'em
all: Adobe leveraged it's exclusive position in the PDF-creation
market while it lasted, and now is moving on to a more gengeralized
position as toolmaker.
Ghostview and Ghostscript are good programs, but not widely known
outside the open-source world, so they're out on the end on the
graph. Adobe, OTOH, has carved out a niche that will keep it in
business no matter which OS eventually predominates: after all,
Adobe's "Reader" software works fine on Linux.
Bill Horne
Moderator
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:03:22 -0500
From: Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: What if People Don't Take the Bait to Go Paperless?
Message-ID: <PPGdnY2Vd6rBsl_XnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@posted.visi>
John David Galt wrote:
> Sam Spade wrote:
>> But, the Adobe Reader is free. There are features that require keeping
>> the reader current.
>
> There are also situations that make it impossible for some people. In
> my case, both at home and work, perfectly good but old computers on
> which Windows XP and Vista (and therefore the newest versions of
> Acrobat) refuse to install.
But FoxIt http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader/ will install on
W2K, at least. It's far faster and less bloated than AR, and not
subject to the same exploits (which is not to say it isn't subject to
any exploits, but I'm not aware of any). And it's free too.
>> PDF is virtually the de facto standard for keeping documents
>> in their original format across platforms.
>
> Granted. I can't wait until a version of Ghostscript/Ghostview as
> robust as Adobe's product is available.
Dave
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:20:00 +1000
From: David Clayton <dcstar@myrealbox.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: What if People Don't Take the Bait to Go Paperless?
Message-ID: <pan.2009.09.29.07.20.00.159690@myrealbox.com>
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:57:50 -0400, Sam Spade wrote:
......
> But, the Adobe Reader is free. There are features that require keeping
> the reader current.
Like sending info back to Adobe on what you are reading, perhaps?
> PDF is virtually the de facto standard for keeping documents in their
> original format across platforms.
And can usually be read with freeware equivalents, not just Adobe's
products.
--
Regards, David.
David Clayton
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Knowledge is a measure of how many answers you have, intelligence is a
measure of how many questions you have.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:41:31 -0700
From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: What if People Don't Take the Bait to Go Paperless?
Message-ID: <FUpwm.13624$kC.7339@newsfe11.iad>
David Clayton wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:57:50 -0400, Sam Spade wrote:
> ......
>
>>But, the Adobe Reader is free. There are features that require keeping
>>the reader current.
>>
>
> Like sending info back to Adobe on what you are reading, perhaps?
>
>
>>PDF is virtually the de facto standard for keeping documents in their
>>original format across platforms.
>
>
> And can usually be read with freeware equivalents, not just Adobe's
> products.
>
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:28:49 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Guess What Texting Costs Your Wireless Provider?
Message-ID: <h9t22g$isk$11@news.albasani.net>
John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
>>>Fido with the reminder that it's $1.45/minute to roam in the US.
>>[That is] ridiculous. AFAIK you can purchase a new prepaid US phone
>>for $10 with a $10 air time included.
>Indeed, but it doesn't have your phone number that everyone knows.
>That's always the tradeoff with getting a local SIM.
One's domestic number will go to voice mail, upon which one would record
the temporary number one is using, emphasizing that it's for calls that
cannot wait till such and such a date when one will return from the
business trip.
What's the big deal? "Everyone" doesn't have to reach one immediately
while out of the country. One especially doesn't want to hear from
people who refuse to appreciate the time zone difference and when one is
likely to be awake.
***** Moderator's Note *****
Kudos to "The Deathstar": AT&T Long Distance has been warning callers
about time-zone differences for a while, and it has saved me from some
embarassing calls.
Bill Horne
Moderator
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:39:57 -0700
From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: What if People Don't Take the Bait to Go Paperless?
Message-ID: <bTpwm.13623$kC.13416@newsfe11.iad>
Thad Floryan wrote:
>
> Win7 down to Win2K-SP4 will run the latest Adobe Reader 9.
I use Acrobat Professional 9.0 in my work. The output is readable by
Acrobat Readers 5.0 and forward.
>
> This is the 21st Century. :-)
>
Yep, but some folks still long for DOS and a 110 baud modem.
***** Moderator's Note *****
I long for CP/M and an EBCD printer! Hell, I long for Telegraph
Sounders and Athern repeaters!
Bill Horne
Moderator
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:56:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joseph Singer <joeofseattle@yahoo.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Prepaid Data SIM for GSM/GPRS/EDGE/UMTS/HSPA Croatia?
Message-ID: <794345.31967.qm@web52709.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:09:53 -0400 tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:
> I'd welcome pointers to cellular providers in the former Yugoslavia
> offering prepaid data SIMs for use with a netbook and USB-based
> Sierra Wireless GSM/GPRS/EDGE/UMTS/HSPA data modem.
Go to this URL: http://www.prepaidgsm.net/en/croatia.html which
details all the prepaid offerings in .cr.
From looking at the offerings T-Mobile appears to be the only one
with data offerings for prepaid though it may just be that this
information was not available when the website checked rates.
The T-Mobile link:
http://www.prepaidgsm.net/en/croazia/tmo.html
It does look rather expensive at .81 Euro per 100 kb but that's not
uncommon for prepaids to charge dearly for data access (if at all
available.)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:39:20 -0400
From: tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Prepaid Data SIM for GSM/GPRS/EDGE/UMTS/HSPA Croatia?
Message-ID: <op.u01tnuv2o63xbg@acer250.gateway.2wire.net>
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:04:35 -0400, Joseph Singer <joeofseattle@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:09:53 -0400 tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:
>
>> I'd welcome pointers to cellular providers in the former
>> Yugoslavia offering prepaid data SIMs for use with a netbook
>> and USB-based Sierra Wireless GSM/GPRS/EDGE/UMTS/HSPA data
>> modem.
>
> Go to this URL: http://www.prepaidgsm.net/en/croatia.html
> which details all the prepaid offerings in .cr.
>
> From looking at the offerings T-Mobile appears to be the only one
> with data offerings for prepaid though it may just be that this
> information was not available when the website checked rates.
>
> The T-Mobile link:
>
> http://www.prepaidgsm.net/en/croazia/tmo.html
>
> It does look rather expensive at .81 Euro per 100 kb but that's not
> uncommon for prepaids to charge dearly for data access (if at all
> available.)
Thanks, Joseph: useful link, I'll bookmark it :-) .
Actually, the VodaPhone offering (under the Vip-me Broadband
heading) seems better than the T-Mo offering, with prepaid data
at circa 10 MB/$ (in lots of 200 or 500 MB) -- which is about
100x more cost-effective than T-Mo's ... .
So: thanks again! Cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:45:41 GMT
From: "Tony Toews \[MVP\]" <ttoews@telusplanet.net>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Guess What Texting Costs Your Wireless Provider?
Message-ID: <pnv4c5torjqrg74clood7iccvgbic715lg@4ax.com>
John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
>>>Fido with the reminder that it's $1.45/minute to roam in the US.
>>
>>[That is] ridiculous. AFAIK you can purchase a new prepaid US phone
>>for $10 with a $10 air time included.
>
>Indeed, but it doesn't have your phone number that everyone knows.
>That's always the tradeoff with getting a local SIM.
You are correct. In my own mind I have figured things out but
neglected to communicate those thoughts.
In my situation I only use my cell call for family and emergencies.
Most of my clients communicate with me through email or initiate
contact via email. And I do not give them my cell number, with one or
two exceptions, as business applications problems are not emergencies.
Thus once I purchase and activate the US cell phone I email two or
three key family members with my US cell phone number. And they'll
pretty much only call if there is a death or severe medical problem in
the family.
Tony
--
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:58:25 EDT
From: Wesrock@aol.com
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: What if People Don't Take the Bait to Go Paperless?
Message-ID: <bef.50958d17.37f3f921@aol.com>
In a message dated 9/29/2009 11:53:49 AM Central Daylight Time,
sam@coldmail.com writes:
> Yep, but some folks still long for DOS and a 110 baud modem
I still pine for DOS, where there are a lot of things that are simply
easier. Many programs now have so many options they're hard to learn,
hard to use.
Wes Leatherock
wesrock@aol.com
wleathus@yahoo.com
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