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The Telecom Digest for January 28, 2013
Volume 32 : Issue 25 : "text" Format
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Cisco to sell Linksys to Belkin, will exit home networking market (Monty Solomon)
German court rules users can be compensated for Internet outages (Monty Solomon)
Macmillan will sell e-books to libraries in pilot program at $25 per title (Monty Solomon)
Re: Macmillan will sell e-books to libraries in pilot program at $25 per title (Bill Horne)
Grammar badness makes cracking harder the long password (Monty Solomon)
Re: Idaho lawmakers look at throwing away the "Do Not Call List" (Scott Dorsey)
Re: Idaho lawmakers look at throwing away the "Do Not Call List" (Garrett Wollman)
Re: Idaho lawmakers look at throwing away the "Do Not Call List" (John David Galt)
Re: Idaho lawmakers look at throwing away the "Do Not Call List" (Pete Cresswell)
Appeals court to activists: Nope, you can't see what else the Feds have on you (Monty Solomon)
Re: Idaho lawmakers look at throwing away the "Do Not Call List" (Pete Cresswell)
Re: Unlocking new cell phones to become illegal on Saturday (Bill Horne)
Re: Idaho lawmakers look at throwing away the "Do Not Call List" (Steven)
Re: Idaho lawmakers look at throwing away the "Do Not Call List" (Robert Bonomi)
Re: Idaho lawmakers look at throwing away the "Do Not Call List" (Robert Bonomi)
Re: Idaho lawmakers look at throwing away the "Do Not Call List" (John Levine)

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Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 15:18:49 -0500 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Cisco to sell Linksys to Belkin, will exit home networking market Message-ID: <p06240825cd29ea75121c@[10.0.1.2]> Cisco to sell Linksys to Belkin, will exit home networking market After 10 years of owning Linksys, Cisco will get rid of home router business. by Jon Brodkin Jan 24 2013 Ars Technica Belkin has struck a deal to buy Linksys from Cisco, bringing Cisco's 10-year dalliance with the consumer networking market closer to an end. Cisco's Linksys division sells routers and wireless access points to consumers, which is in line with Cisco's overall focus on networking gear but diverges from the company's core focus on selling to big businesses rather than home users. Cisco has been gradually stepping out of the consumer business-for example, by killing off the Flip camera line and Umi home videoconferencing. ... http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/01/cisco-to-sell-linksys-to-belkin-will-exit-home-networking-market/
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 15:08:14 -0500 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: German court rules users can be compensated for Internet outages Message-ID: <p06240822cd29e7fc7dc0@[10.0.1.2]> German court rules users can be compensated for Internet outages But the plaintiff demanded to be paid back at $67/day, which he likely won't get. by Cyrus Farivar Jan 25 2013 Ars Technica A German high court has ruled that the loss of Internet access is comparable to losing a car and is therefore "essential." As such, users can now claim compensation from their ISP after extended outages. On Thursday, the Federal Court of Justice in Karlsruhe ruled in the case of a German man who was unable to use his home DSL connection (as well as his phone and fax line), for two months between late 2008 and early 2009. As Reuters reports, "Under German law the loss of use of essential material items can be compensated." Specifically, plaintiffs can seek compensation for a loss that "significantly affects the material basis of living." Such a compensation claim is normally made for a big-ticket item, like the loss of a home or a car. ... http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/01/german-court-rules-users-can-be-compensated-for-internet-outages/
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 15:10:05 -0500 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Macmillan will sell e-books to libraries in pilot program at $25 per title Message-ID: <p06240823cd29e85592a6@[10.0.1.2]> Macmillan will sell e-books to libraries in pilot program at $25 per title But licenses to its titles will expire after two years or 52 check-outs. by Cyrus Farivar Jan 25 2013 Ars Technica While the e-book market has certainly skyrocketed in recent years, it's still not always easy to get digital books from your local library. Yet unlike physical books, which obviously degrade over time-digital books won't. So publishers have figured out that they need to start selling a license to the book, rather than the book itself, to our venerable institutions of public learning. Back in 2011, HarperCollins caused quite a stir when it said it would impose an arbitrary limit of 26 rentals before an e-book's license would expire and the library would have to pay for it again. Now Macmillan, another one of the "Big Six" publishers, announced Thursday its new plan for selling e-books to American public libraries. Macmillan now says its titles will cost $25 (by comparison, some of its same bestselling titles in the Kindle store go for $8 to $12)-and once acquired by a library, each will be available for two years or 52 check-outs, whichever comes first. ... http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/01/macmillan-will-sell-e-books-to-libraries-in-pilot-program-at-25-per-title/
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:23:41 -0500 From: Bill Horne <bill@horneQRM.net> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Macmillan will sell e-books to libraries in pilot program at $25 per title Message-ID: <20130127172341.GB26949@telecom.csail.mit.edu> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 03:10:05PM -0500, Monty Solomon wrote: > Now Macmillan, another one of the "Big Six" publishers, announced > Thursday its new plan for selling e-books to American public > libraries. Macmillan now says its titles will cost $25 (by > comparison, some of its same bestselling titles in the Kindle store > go for $8 to $12)-and once acquired by a library, each will be > available for two years or 52 check-outs, whichever comes first. My father used to say that "Every society in the history of the world has destroyed itself by graft and corruption". I didn't realize how right he was until now: the thought that my grandson might have to pay a fee to check out Tom Swift and His Electric Runabout from a library is proof of how myopic and vicious the publishing industry has become. Of course, the bookbinders are swinging a double edged page-trimmer: as with the record labels that Steve Jobs put out of business, the printers are likely to find that "their" authors will soon discover that distributing manuscripts in electronic format pays better than relying on the typesetters who are sitting on top of a choke point in the distribution network. In essance, limited-function readers are intended to enforce (at their owner's expense) the chokehold that the publishers have on connecting authors and readers, which the distributors have, up to this point, been able to sell by frightening new talents with folk tales of poor, forgotten scribes starving in the dark because they didn't sign over their works to the industry. However, it won't last: copyright protection is a phantasm that the kindlenook purveyors waive around to scare the young and impressionable, but (as with music), they know that it's a toothless boogeyman. Copying has always been a marginal cost to publishers, and it always will be. What they really want is to get a royalty every time anyone reads a book, no matter what the delivery mechanism, from the instant it is written until the heat death of the universe. -- Bill Horne (Remove QRM from my address to write to me directly)
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 15:27:32 -0500 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Grammar badness makes cracking harder the long password Message-ID: <p06240826cd29ec2f79cb@[10.0.1.2]> Grammar badness makes cracking harder the long password Password crackers get an English lesson. by Dan Goodin Jan 24 2013 Ars Technica When it comes to long phrases used to defeat recent advances in password cracking, bigger isn't necessarily better, particularly when the phrases adhere to grammatical rules. A team of Ph.D. and grad students at Carnegie Mellon University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology have developed an algorithm that targets passcodes with a minimum number of 16 characters and built it into the freely available John the Ripper cracking program. The result: it was much more efficient at cracking passphrases such as "abiggerbetter password" or "thecommunistfairy" because they followed commonly used grammatical rules-in this case, ordering parts of speech in the sequence "determiner, adjective, noun." When tested against 1,434 passwords containing 16 or more characters, the grammar-aware cracker surpassed other state-of-the-art password crackers when the passcodes had grammatical structures, with 10 percent of the dataset cracked exclusively by the team's algorithm. The approach is significant because it comes as security experts are revising password policies to combat the growing sophistication of modern cracking techniques which make the average password weaker than ever before. A key strategy in making passwords more resilient is to use phrases that result in longer passcodes. Still, passphrases must remain memorable to the end user, so people often pick phrases or sentences. It turns out that grammatical structures dramatically narrow the possible combinations and sequences of words crackers must guess. One surprising outcome of the research is that the passphrase "Th3r3 can only b3 #1!" (with spaces removed) is one order of magnitude weaker than "Hammered asinine requirements" even though it contains more words. Better still is "My passw0rd is $uper str0ng!" because it requires significantly more tries to correctly guess. ... http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/01/grammar-badness-makes-cracking-harder-the-long-password/
Date: 26 Jan 2013 22:05:53 -0500 From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Idaho lawmakers look at throwing away the "Do Not Call List" Message-ID: <ke25ih$pb9$1@panix2.panix.com> Pete Cresswell <PeteCress@invalid.telecom-digest.org> wrote: > >The Do-Not-Call lists are effective dead because the perpetrators >have: > > - Moved offshore > > - Use VOIP, sometimes with multiple skips (whatever > that is...) Not at all. With the DNC list in place, legitimate companies who have some interest in not offending potential customers have basically stopped telemarketing people who don't like it. This means the only calls you get (should you opt in) are fraudulent ones. The fraudulent ones are a tiny fraction of the total number of calls. Before the DNC list, I was getting hundreds of unwanted calls a week, now I get fewer than a dozen. >I have a small folder full of lame-ass letters from the >Pennsylvania Attorney General's office in response to the >complaints I've registered - before I gave up. > >Essentially they cite the items above and add that it's too much >trouble to prosecute. Time to start sending the complaints to the governor, then. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:22:45 +0000 (UTC) From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Idaho lawmakers look at throwing away the "Do Not Call List" Message-ID: <ke3r9l$24a9$1@grapevine.csail.mit.edu> In article <ke25ih$pb9$1@panix2.panix.com>, Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote: >Not at all. With the DNC list in place, legitimate companies who have >some interest in not offending potential customers have basically stopped >telemarketing people who don't like it. This means the only calls you >get (should you opt in) are fraudulent ones. The only calls I get are from those exempted from the federal DNC regulations: charities, pollsters (or those pretending to be pollsters) and politicians. All just as unwelcome as the guy with the southern accent who wants to sell me vinyl siding. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft wollman@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 17:36:04 -0800 From: John David Galt <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Idaho lawmakers look at throwing away the "Do Not Call List" Message-ID: <ke4km6$p2o$2@blue-new.rahul.net> On 2013-01-27 10:22, Garrett Wollman wrote: > The only calls I get are from those exempted from the federal DNC > regulations: charities, pollsters (or those pretending to be > pollsters) and politicians. All just as unwelcome as the guy with the > southern accent who wants to sell me vinyl siding. Perhaps we all should start "outing" the heads of organizations (both for-profit and not) who place these calls, and start publicizing their home phone numbers. I know of one such outfit near here: they tried to defraud me into going to work for them. ***** Moderator's Note ***** How about the name, address, and phone number of the business that placed the call, and the contact info for the state official(s) responsible for taking complaints? Bill Horne Moderator
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 17:58:23 -0500 From: Pete Cresswell <PeteCress@invalid.telecom-digest.org> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Idaho lawmakers look at throwing away the "Do Not Call List" Message-ID: <jdbbg8hhta2f5a3oicmimdimq9auup18lc@4ax.com> Per Scott Dorsey: >Before the DNC list, I was getting hundreds of unwanted calls a week, now >I get fewer than a dozen. Count your blessings. After we got on the federal and Penna state DNC lists, calls stopped totally...completely. We even got a check for about thirty bucks once as our share of a class action suite that the state won against a telemarketer. That was then... Now we get at least a half-dozen telemarketer calls *per day* on our land line and the likes of Rachel calls my cell phone several times per week. This is in Pennsylvania. I suspect YYMV depending on how aggressive the state is in pursuing telephone solicitors. Based on the afore-mentioned stack of lame letters from the Pennsylvania Attorney General's office, my money is on some sort of challenge-response mechanism. - Somebody calls - Phone does not ring yet - "Hello, press 1 for John, press 2 for Mary, press 3 for Sue...... where "99" is the only one that does anything. - Caller presses the right number, phone rings. - Experienced callers know to just press the magic number as soon as they hear the connection made. - Caller presses the wrong number, phone owner gets to program the action - such as dropping into voicemail, just hanging up, ringing the phone with a distinctive ring tone... and so-forth. Alternatively, automated screening based on caller ID. For instance: - Phone owner is able to upload their iPHone or Android phone's phonebook - When somebody whose number matches a phonebook entry calls, the phone rings - Of the number doesn't match, phone owner gets to program the response as above... Right now I'm torn between doing what seems to be the responsible thing: take one for the team and actually talk to the solicitor, stringing them along as long as possible or just saying "Just a moment, I'll find (the person being called) and just putting the phone down and giving the short answer. Seems like taking one for the team could conceivably get one on a validation list of people who, when called, are approachable - kind of like those junk mail mailings where they ask people to remove a sticker and place it over some other area on the mailing and send it back to their "free prize"... -- Pete Cresswell
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 14:00:07 -0500 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Appeals court to activists: Nope, you can't see what else the Feds have on you Message-ID: <p06240812cd29d7e9b959@[10.0.1.2]> Appeals court to activists: Nope, you can't see what else the Feds have on you Fourth Circuit says additional "2703(d) orders" need not be disclosed. by Cyrus Farivar Jan 25 2013 Ars Technica On Friday, a federal appeals court in Virginia ruled (PDF) that three activists involved in a WikiLeaks investigation have no right to find out what companies the government sought information from other than Twitter. In November 2011, a district court judge found that prosecutors could compel Twitter to give up specific information on the three accounts, including IP addresses, direct messages, and other data. ... http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/01/appeals-court-to-activists-nope-you-cant-see-what-else-the-feds-have-on-you/ http://www.aclu.org/files/assets/4th_cir._twitter_order.pdf http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/11/judge-rules-feds-can-have-wikileaks-associates-twitter-data/
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 10:36:29 -0500 From: Pete Cresswell <PeteCress@invalid.telecom-digest.org> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Idaho lawmakers look at throwing away the "Do Not Call List" Message-ID: <39iag8tl09vvcmm06ljt8lou539iig0sh8@4ax.com> Per John Levine: >I'm inclined to put a petition on the White House web site for a >consitutional amendment to make telemarketing punishable by death, >with a private right of action. What do you think? I'd settle for trial by jury followed by welding a cage around them and hoisting it up in some public place. -- Pete Cresswell ***** Moderator's Note ***** What, no Harpy to snatch the food from their mouths? Bill Horne Moderator
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 11:52:37 -0500 From: Bill Horne <bill@horneQRM.net> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Unlocking new cell phones to become illegal on Saturday Message-ID: <20130127165236.GA26949@telecom.csail.mit.edu> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 03:06:47PM -0500, Monty Solomon wrote: > > An edict from the Library of Congress is about to make phone > unlocking illegal for the first time in 6 years. The decision, issued > in October, is part of a triennial process whereby the Librarian of > Congress hands out exemptions from the Digital Millennium Copyright > Act. The cellular industry would like to set an example for all the other monopolies in the world: the industry craves total control over the choices it's customers need to make just because they use cell phones. Next up: the automobile makers, who will forbid their customers from "unlocking" the digital outputs of their cars' diagnostic computers, so as to extract tribute from local mechanics, and Microsoft, which will forbid its customers from "unlocking" the proprietary formats it uses to extract tribute from third-party software vendors such as Mozilla. The captains of industry crave a world where the machines we own and the expertise we depend on to run our lives are useless without software they control. Just wait until the combine harvesters are halted in mid-row, because their software licenses have expired mid-harvest, and when the airline manufacturers get to revoke the software license needed to run an airliner, in order to prevent it being sold to a third-world airline that they want to sell new planes to. In short order, HMO's are going to have to ante up for a higher percentage of the gross receipts they generate by using proprietary software to create and store medical information, because the software vendors know it's too expensive to retrain doctors for other versions. Even if it weren't, the data will be locked in proprietary file formats that it's illegal to open without writing a check. You heard it here first: a lock on cellphone software is just a drop of water on the tip of the iceberg. Bill Horne (Remove QRM from my address to write to me directly)
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 09:01:07 -0800 From: Steven <diespammers@ikillspammers.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Idaho lawmakers look at throwing away the "Do Not Call List" Message-ID: <ke3mge$kmg$1@dont-email.me> On 1/26/13 3:40 PM, John Levine wrote: >>> So is this proposal throwing away the DNC list entirely, or just >>> exempting telephone companies from it? >> >> I dunno. But any Idaho legislative action is irrelevant to the federal >> telemarketing rules and federal DNC list. > > If you'd read the original article, you'd have seen that it's about an > Idaho law that prohibits telephone companies from telemarketing to > their own customers. The federal DNC list is about telemarketing to > non-customers. > > I'm inclined to put a petition on the White House web site for a > consitutional amendment to make telemarketing punishable by death, > with a private right of action. What do you think? I always thought it should have been a capital crime, with the execution being done on TV during prime time. - - The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today? (c) 2013 I Kill Spammers, Inc. A Rot in Hell Co. ***** Moderator's Note ***** No, no: that's too easy. Dead is, well, dead: Rachel and her kin should be sentenced to man suicide-prevention lines. Bill Horne Moderator
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 14:01:19 -0600 From: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Idaho lawmakers look at throwing away the "Do Not Call List" Message-ID: <boKdna_D3MESGpjMnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@posted.nuvoxcommunications> In article <ke3mge$kmg$1@dont-email.me>, Steven <diespammers@ikillspammers.com> wrote: >On 1/26/13 3:40 PM, John Levine wrote: >>>> So is this proposal throwing away the DNC list entirely, or just >>>> exempting telephone companies from it? >>> >>> I dunno. But any Idaho legislative action is irrelevant to the federal >>> telemarketing rules and federal DNC list. >> >> If you'd read the original article, you'd have seen that it's about an >> Idaho law that prohibits telephone companies from telemarketing to >> their own customers. The federal DNC list is about telemarketing to >> non-customers. >> >> I'm inclined to put a petition on the White House web site for a >> consitutional amendment to make telemarketing punishable by death, >> with a private right of action. What do you think? > >I always thought it should have been a capital crime, with the execution >being done on TV during prime time. > >***** Moderator's Note ***** > >No, no: that's too easy. Dead is, well, dead: Rachel and her kin >should be sentenced to man suicide-prevention lines. > Better idea, give them gainful employment at classic track-and-field events.. as javelin catchers GRIN
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:53:32 -0600 From: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Idaho lawmakers look at throwing away the "Do Not Call List" Message-ID: <seOdnWO00Z4hGJjMnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@posted.nuvoxcommunications> In article <20130126234030.81501.qmail@joyce.lan>, John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote: [ attributions reinstated, for accuracy ] > Robert Bonomi <bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com> wrote: >>Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: >>>So is this proposal throwing away the DNC list entirely, or just >>>exempting telephone companies from it? >> >>I dunno. But any Idaho legislative action is irrelevant to the federal >>telemarketing rules and federal DNC list. > >If you'd read the original article, you'd have seen that it's about an >Idaho law that prohibits telephone companies from telemarketing to >their own customers. If Mr. Levine had bothered to read the rest of what I wrote, he'd have found that I explicitly addressed that possible situation -- material he "couldn't be bothered" to include. It would also have been 'obvious to the meanest intelligence' that I had 'read the original article' since I quoted from it. Further, mentioning that the federal rules were unchanged was appropriate, because the prior poster (as well as several others) seemed to be confused on that point. The KIVI TV web-page did not include a cite to either the bill ID or to the statute it purportedly will repeal, thus without more research effort than I was willing to put in there was only the questionable- accuracy reporting of FOX 9. Given only that, one can only speculate as to exactly who is prohibited from performing exactly what actions, or precisely what the proposed changes will allow. If Mr. Levine has a cite to the full text of the Idaho bill, he is cordially invited to share it. If the existing Idaho law is repealed, then (for someone on the federal DNC list), one preemptive call to each telco of which they are a customer requesting addition to the company-maintained (per federal requirement) DNC list (which trumps any 'existing relationship' exemption), will prevent any marketing calls from the telcos. This is probably only one call, and _highly_unlikely to require more than three calls. I say again, the Idaho action is of 'tempest in a teapot' magnitude.
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 22:19:01 +0000 (UTC) From: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Idaho lawmakers look at throwing away the "Do Not Call List" Message-ID: <ke494l$mp0$1@leila.iecc.com> >The KIVI TV web-page did not include a cite to either the bill ID or >to the statute it purportedly will repeal, thus without more research >effort than I was willing to put in there was only the questionable- >accuracy reporting of FOX 9. Given only that, one can only speculate >as to exactly who is prohibited from performing exactly what actions, >or precisely what the proposed changes will allow. If Mr. Levine has >a cite to the full text of the Idaho bill, he is cordially invited to >share it. It took about a minute to find the bill, H55. Here's a copy. http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2013/H0055.pdf As you can see, the bill deletes the part of the existing law that makes the DNC list apply to telephone companies soliciting their existing customers, and replaces it with a provision saying that every customer has to opt out indivually. Since the Federal DNC has an exception for companies annoying existing customers, this would allow a whole lot of legal junk calling by the telcos. R's, John -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
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