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The Telecom Digest for January 24, 2012
Volume 31 : Issue 24 : "text" Format
Messages in this Issue:
Re: Diabetic Tester That Talks to iPhones and (Robert Bonomi)
Re: How U.S. Lost Out on iPhone Work (T)
Re: Some unanswered questions from January 2011 (Fred Goldstein)
Re: Some unanswered questions from January 2011 (Garrett Wollman)
Re: Diabetic Tester That Talks to iPhones and doctors (Wes Leatherock)
Authentic sound of telephone ringers (Curt Bramblett)
Re: Authentic sound of telephone ringers (Robert Bonomi)
Re: Authentic sound of telephone ringers (HAncock4)
Re: A stake in the ground for IPv6 (John Levine)
AT&T Archives (John Meissen)
Who Should Have Access to Student Records? (Monty Solomon)
Justices Say GPS Tracker Violated Privacy Rights (Monty Solomon)
GOP Presidential Hopefuls Experiment With Mobile Ads in Early Contests (Monty Solomon)
Cloud-based PBX service (tmetro+telecomdigest)

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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 01:08:13 -0600 From: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Diabetic Tester That Talks to iPhones and Message-ID: <b9GdnSo9AvbAmoDSnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@posted.nuvoxcommunications> In article <yd7at.A.MCH.aDGHPB@telecom>, Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> wrote: > >Personal Technology >Diabetic Tester That Talks to iPhones and Doctors > >by Walt Mossberg >January 4, 2012 > >While consumer technology advances by leaps and bounds, the devices >patients use to manage diseases often seem stuck in the past. A >glaring example is the glucometer, the instrument diabetics use to >measure the sugar in their blood-information they use to adjust their >diet, exercise and medication. > >These meters, which analyze drops of blood drawn from fingertips, >typically resemble crude PDAs from 10 or 15 years ago. They offer >little feedback and can't connect to the Internet to show results to >caregivers. Most diabetics who use them log their readings on paper, >which they hand doctors weeks or months later. > >But that is beginning to change. Next week, a small start-up will >introduce a new diabetes meter it says is the first with wireless >technology that instantly transmits a patient's readings to a private >online database, which can be accessed by the patient or - with >permission - by a doctor, caregiver or family member. This system charts >the results to highlight trends and spot problems, and can be accessed >via a Web browser or an iPhone app. It automatically transmits >relevant feedback - such as whether your readings seem high or low - >and allows doctors to respond. > >I've been testing this new meter and service, which is called Telcare >and comes from a Bethesda, Md., company of the same name. As a Type 2 >diabetic myself, I found the Telcare meter a refreshing change, and a >significant step toward bringing consumer medical devices closer to >the world of modern technology. > >... > > >http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203513604577140830225124226.html > > > >***** Moderator's Note ***** > >Mr. Mossberg, despite his qualifications to evaluate the convenience >of a new glucose testing system, has not mentioned the reason that >medical instruments such as glucometers change very slowly. It is that >medicine is not supposed to be a sales vehicle for electronic gadgets >which saddle their users with never-ending, unavoidable fees that take >yet-another bite out of the fixed incomes of retirees and add unneeded >complexity, expense, and inconvenience to the practice of medicine. > >This device costs $99.95 from the "Telcare" website, if customers >subscribe to a "plan": > >Test Strip List Price: $55.95 >Your Price: $35.95 > >"The plan requires the purchase of at least 4 Telcare Test Strip vials >per quarter at its reduced contract price." > >... which translates into $35.95 times four vials times four quarters, >or $575.20 per year, and the site also offers a "care" plan that will >replace the meter once in a year for $6.95 per month, or $83.40 per >year. Any customer that doesn't buy the 16 vials of test strips is, >according to the "terms and conditions" page, obligated to pay a >one-time fee of $100.00. > >In other words, this is an expensive and unnecessary solution in >search of a problem. In point of fact, it is -not- all that expensive, comparatively speaking. List price for major-brand meters is about $100 for ones with a data- upload "capability". To use that capability, you have to buy a special cable and software, another $30-50. And you have to have the PC to run the software on. The Telcare meter has a cellular data link built in, And does everything on their secure web-server. That they're doing it all for the same price as a dumb serial (not USB) link is, in a word, amazing. Test strips for major brand meters run about $1/test. (~$55 for a package of 50 strips.) No-name strips are around $0.70/test. (~$35 for a package of 50) I've seen 'specials' where they give away (or nearly so) a meter that uses the high-priced strips; never for one that uses the inexpensive ones. There are less expensive meters -- without any data export capability; also no-name meters that use the less-expensive strips. The less-expensive ones also tend to need bigger drop of blood to process. Also repeatability is significantly lower than with the big name (higher-priced) ones. The real gotcha is that all the test strips are 'proprietary' -- you have to buy the specific type of strip that works with that specific meter. And there's only -one- source for those strips -- from the meter manufacturer. (It's the old King Gillette safety razor story.) Four vials of 50 strips per quarter is enough for two tests a day, allowing for a few botched readings. This is 'typical', conservative, testing frequency for many diabetics. The Telcare non-subscription price on strips is on a par with strips for any of the name meters. The subscription price is as good as the least- expensive no-name ones. Note: local physicians generally prefer the data-recording patient meters to the non-recording ones -- it's far too easy for the patient to lie when they're keeping a paper record. In short, Telcare 'consumables' -- including 'subscription' supplies -- are priced favorably relative to the competition; the meter is priced comparably to other systems with equivalent capabilities, and offers a number of 'convenience' features that other meters don't. Compared to a brand name meter, the TCO for a year is significantly lower for the Telcare meter. name brand -- 16 sets of strips @ $55/set $880 "Freestyle" meter 80 === $960 Telcare -- 16 sets of strips @ $36/set $576 meter 100 'care plan' 84 === $760 The Telcare meter is 20% less expensive. Close to 30% if you don't buy the 'insurance'.
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:12:26 -0500 From: T <kd1s.nospam@cox.nospam.net> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: How U.S. Lost Out on iPhone Work Message-ID: <MPG.298734d58a13cdd3989d7b@news.eternal-september.org> In article <6yLS5D.A.SVB.Vb5GPB@telecom>, monty@roscom.com says... > > How U.S. Lost Out on iPhone Work > > By CHARLES DUHIGG and KEITH BRADSHER > January 21, 2012 > > When Barack Obama joined Silicon Valley's top luminaries for dinner > in California last February, each guest was asked to come with a > question for the president. > > But as Steven P. Jobs of Apple spoke, President Obama interrupted > with an inquiry of his own: what would it take to make iPhones in the > United States? > > Not long ago, Apple boasted that its products were made in America. > Today, few are. Almost all of the 70 million iPhones, 30 million > iPads and 59 million other products Apple sold last year were > manufactured overseas. > > Why can't that work come home? Mr. Obama asked. > > Mr. Jobs's reply was unambiguous. "Those jobs aren't coming back," he > said, according to another dinner guest. > > The president's question touched upon a central conviction at Apple. > It isn't just that workers are cheaper abroad. Rather, Apple's > executives believe the vast scale of overseas factories as well as > the flexibility, diligence and industrial skills of foreign workers > have so outpaced their American counterparts that "Made in the > U.S.A." is no longer a viable option for most Apple products. > > ... > > > http://goo.gl/Sjoam > > > ***** Moderator's Note ***** > > I bet that if American buyers started looking for "Made in USA" labels > again, this unwelcome part of Mr. Jobs' legacy would vanish. I also > bet that if our Congress imposed the same tariffs on imported Iphones > that other countries impose on American goods, the price advantage of > making things overseas would also vanish. > > Bill Horne > Moderator The reason is because of environmental law. I theorize that lots of electronics manufacturing left the U.S. for Asia simply because of two factors. The first is that labor was cheaper there. The second but more critical is that there was no environmental law to contend with. But tha is gradually changing in places like China. Workers are demanding higher wages, and they're becoming more acutely aware of the environmental degredation attendant with industry.
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:08:57 -0500 From: Fred Goldstein <fgoldstein.SeeSigSpambait@wn2.wn.net> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Some unanswered questions from January 2011 Message-ID: <iCp5p.A.-iB.0BaHPB@telecom> On , 21 Jan 2012 04:53:51 +0000 (UTC) wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) wrote, >In article <98b0b$4f19d52a$adce4530$14461@PRIMUS.CA>, >Geoffrey Welsh <gwelsh@spamcop.net> wrote: > >Garrett Wollman wrote: > > > >> Codecs that couldn't do this were rejected as unsuitable. > > > > ... which kind of brings me back to the original question: if codecs > >that don't handle dropped datagrams gracefully were discarded as > >unsuitable as streaming evolved, why the heck wasn't SIP discarded as > >unsuitable for VoIP when it became apparent that it was not going to > >play well with NAT? > >Your question works just as well the other way around, and NAT has the >additional disadvantage that it's Clearly, Deeply, Architecturally >Wrong, And Besides It Can't Possibly Work Once Everyone Uses IPsec. Joining in the disagreement... NAT is architecturally Right. It is only Wrong in the fundamentalist sense that, say, global warming can't be occurring because it's not explicitly described in the King James Bible. The IETF is somewhere to the right of the Taliban when it comes to rigidity. NAT only breaks broken applications. If applications are layered correctly, then an IP address is merely a local-to-its-layer construct. Applications should use names, not IP addresses. There's a fundamental flaw in the TCP/IP architecture where the application does the DNS lookup. Thus the canonical name of the application is the IP address + Port, hence a 48-bit value. That's sort of foolish. Interface address + Port *as an application name* was meant as a temporary hack on the ARPANET in the early 1970s until the upper layer naming could be worked out, but that wasn't funded by ARPA, and somehow users got the notion that it was all handed To Moses On Sinai. But it's even more foolish to not allow that 48-bit address to be swapped for another one en route, just as many other protocols have local connection IDs. Frame Relay, for instance, has a local DLCI; you can be DLCI=100 at one end and 200 at the other. NAT applies the same thing to the 48-bit name. Fine. It only fails if the IP address is inside the application protocol, where it doesn't belong. FTP did it (in the early 1970s) for a very specific reason, but that should not be used as a model. The reason is no longer applicable. (Anybody else here know the reason? I'll withhold it for now.) The correct answer, of course, is to phase out TCP/IP and move to RINA (see http://www.pouzinsociety.org/). It recurses the same layer-machine (the DIF) as many layers as needed, no more no less. The DIF has two protocols, one doing the error and flow control (EFCP) and one doing the application (CDAP). so those are the only two protocols. Relaying (passing the packet along in real time) and routing (building the table used for relaying among peers) are applications; the application of a low layer is to relay stuff so it can reach a higher layer user. (That's what happens now; RINA just recognizes that to each layer, it is really an application.) The "address" is local to the layer, but the application-name propagates all the way down. Encryption is a capability of the DIF, so nobody can see what's above it in the stack (no DPI possible). This is clean, secure, scales infinitely, and does multicasting, mobility and mulithoming cleanly (because the name dynamically binds to a set of destinations). IETF is still pretending it's the 1980s, that its ARPANET is under attack from the PTTs with X.25, that the main applications are TELNET, FTP, SMTP and NNTP, and that they have to defend some imaginary "end to end principle" that pleases their gods. So they're pushing that misbeggen monster, IPv6, which tastes bad and is more filling. Pathetic. -- Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:08:57 +0000 (UTC) From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Some unanswered questions from January 2011 Message-ID: <jfkeop$20ff$1@grapevine.csail.mit.edu> In article <iCp5p.A.-iB.0BaHPB@telecom>, Fred Goldstein <fgoldstein.SeeSigSpambait@wn2.wn.net> wrote: >The correct answer, of course, is to phase out TCP/IP and move to >RINA What's your non-fantasy solution? -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft wollman@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 07:30:09 -0800 (PST) From: Wes Leatherock <wleathus@yahoo.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Diabetic Tester That Talks to iPhones and doctors Message-ID: <1327332609.53053.YahooMailClassic@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 1/22/12, David Scheidt <dscheidt@panix.com> wrote: :***** Moderator's Note ***** :Mr. Mossberg, despite his qualifications to evaluate the convenience :of a new glucose testing system, has not mentioned the reason that :medical instruments such as glucometers change very slowly. It is that :medicine is not supposed to be a sales vehicle for electronic gadgets :which saddle their users with never-ending, unavoidable fees that take :yet-another bite out of the fixed incomes of retirees and add unneeded :complexity, expense, and inconvenience to the practice of medicine. > Do you know what test strips for other meters cost? Medicare covers most of the cost, which translates in my case to a co-pay of $13.74 for 100 strips, which I pay maybe twice a year. I would find it very annoying to have to read my blood sugar level off some more complicated or different device, when I can look at the display on my glucometer and read off the figure after 5 seconds. If you like gizmos, OK, but I don't see the point in what is a simple activity, probably simple because once the complications of making the test strips and the meter are mastwered by the maker of the device, it is simple for the user. Physicians and hospitals use the same kind of device, often the same make and model I use. Wes Leatherock wleathus@yahoo.com wesrock@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:25:23 -0500 From: Curt Bramblett <curtbramblett@cfl.rr.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Authentic sound of telephone ringers Message-ID: <BDFQNB.A.YjB.0BaHPB@telecom> A community theater performance of "Barefoot in the Park," which I saw recently, involved a Princess phone as part of the plot. When it rang (through the public address) the sound did not match the sound of my Princess, which I keep for power-out emergencies. Trust my ears, but remember that mine is blue and the one in the play was beige (lol). Further, I recall a discussion on this forum or a similar one a couple decades ago about erroneous ringing in movies: 501 sound for a 302 phone, e.g. I have a 302 with a Bell "black box" ringer and a Kellogg ca. 1908 candlestick with an oak 37SG ringer. Don't know if either of those pairings is authentic. Anyway, my question is: is there a web site with descriptions of various ringers and accurate sound files? TIA.
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:17:12 -0600 From: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Authentic sound of telephone ringers Message-ID: <86adndx7OeDVXYDSnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@posted.nuvoxcommunications> In article <BDFQNB.A.YjB.0BaHPB@telecom>, Curt Bramblett <curtbramblett@cfl.rr.com> wrote: >A community theater performance of "Barefoot in the Park," which I saw >recently, involved a Princess phone as part of the plot. When it rang >(through the public address) the sound did not match the sound of my >Princess, which I keep for power-out emergencies. Trust my ears, but >remember that mine is blue and the one in the play was beige (lol). > >Further, I recall a discussion on this forum or a similar one a couple >decades ago about erroneous ringing in movies: 501 sound for a 302 phone, e.g. > >I have a 302 with a Bell "black box" ringer and a Kellogg ca. 1908 >candlestick with an oak 37SG ringer. Don't know if either of those pairings >is authentic. > >Anyway, my question is: is there a web site with descriptions of various >ringers and accurate sound files? For the standard W.E. phones with mechanical ringers, from at least the early '50s onwards, there were a number (I think 5 or 6) of different sets of bells -- tuned to different frequencies. The phones used two different tones; the pair heterodyne at an subsonic frequency -- one intentionally selected because it triggers feelings of 'urgency' in a listener. Yes, there is a real reason why it is 'difficult' to ignore a classic ringing phone. <grin> It is quite possible that your phone and the on-stage one had different sets of bells. However, it is likely that what was on the P.A. was from a 'sound effects' recording -- and was not matched to the actual prop on stage.
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 13:05:50 -0800 (PST) From: HAncock4 <withheld@invalid.telecom-digest.org> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Authentic sound of telephone ringers Message-ID: <d278c6c2-acfd-4c62-9f01-2fb6cee8855a@c13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> On Jan 23, 11:25 am, Curt Bramblett <curtbrambl...@cfl.rr.com> wrote: > Further, I recall a discussion on this forum or a similar one a couple > decades ago about erroneous ringing in movies: 501 sound for a 302 phone, e.g. Yes, sound effects in film and TV often did not match the device being used. (As an example, long after 3-slot payphones were removed from service, pay phones in films still made the 'ding ding' sound as coins were deposited.) > Anyway, my question is: is there a web site with descriptions of various > ringers and accurate sound files? On google, entering the search term ""telephone ringer sounds" yields quite a few webpages with downloadable files. However, I don't know the quality of those websites. I've heard there are telephone oriented sound effects available on YouTube. Hope this helps.
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:06:39 +0000 (UTC) From: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: A stake in the ground for IPv6 Message-ID: <jfk42v$h9c$1@leila.iecc.com> Doug McIntyre <merlyn@geeks.org> wrote: >John Levine wrote: >>Not a bad idea, unless your router is like mine, integrated into the >>DSL modem that my phone company provides. I have a separate box on >>the LAN doing DNS and DHCP, but I can't separate out the router. > >If your ISP supports PPPoE (Qwest/Centurylink does), you most likely >can put your integrated DSL modem/router into a bridge mode, and >do the layer-3 termination on any device you choose beyond the bridge.. I've poked around inside the router, a cheap Comtrend box running linux, and that may well be possible, but I am reluctant to go messing around without the telco's cooperation. I suppose I could call them and ask, they've been reasonable in the past. Telecom Digest Moderator wrote: >> I'm wondering if the ILECs will try to push fiber-optic systems, >> rather than upgrading the exisitng ADSL equipments to handle >> IPv6. Since Verizon's FIoS deployment has come to a screeching halt, probably not. R's, John
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 12:33:04 -0800 From: "John Meissen" <john@meissen.org> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: AT&T Archives Message-ID: <g40FF.A.v1D.3FfHPB@telecom> I don't know if this information has passed through Telecom Digest before, so I thought I'd pass it along just in case. AT&T has been uploading various historical videos to youtube. For instance, this 1961 classic, Mr. Digit and the Battle of Bubbling Brook http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdW4FFMZrfU The main youtube page is here http://www.youtube.com/user/ATTTechChannel/ Possiblye more videos and other stuff here.. http://techchannel.att.com/showpage.cfm?ATT-Archives john- ***** Moderator's Note ***** Nice trip down memory lane, but the short film on Youtube has lots of distracting drop-down boxes with text messages, and (at least on my machine), they overlay each other so that both messages are showing at once, and they don't stay on the screen long enough to read. Bill Horne Moderator
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:06:18 -0500 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Who Should Have Access to Student Records? Message-ID: <hOKrcD.A.j2D.3FfHPB@telecom> Who Should Have Access to Student Records? Education data can be useful, but privacy experts are concerned about data misuse. By JASON KOEBLER January 19, 2012 Since "No Child Left Behind" was passed 10 years ago, states have been required to ramp up the amount of data they collect about individual students, teachers, and schools. Personal information, including test scores, economic status, grades, and even disciplinary problems and student pregnancies, are tracked and stored in a kind of virtual "permanent record" for each student. But parents and students have very little access to that data, according to a report released Wednesday by the Data Quality Campaign, an organization that advocates for expanded data use. All 50 states and Washington, D.C. collect long term, individualized data on students performance, but just eight states allow parents to access their child's permanent record. Forty allow principals to access the data and 28 provide student-level info to teachers. ... http://goo.gl/bXpht States should make better use of academic data, study says http://goo.gl/KmZcP
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:57:15 -0500 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Justices Say GPS Tracker Violated Privacy Rights Message-ID: <05h0fD.A.J2D.3FfHPB@telecom> Justices Say GPS Tracker Violated Privacy Rights By ADAM LIPTAK January 23, 2012 The New York Times WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court on Monday unanimously ruled that the police violated the Constitution when they placed a Global Positioning System tracking device on a suspect's car and monitored its movements for 28 days. But the justices divided 5-to-4 on the rationale for the decision, with the majority saying that the problem was the placement of the device on private property. That ruling avoided many difficult questions, including how to treat information gathered from devices installed by the manufacturer and how to treat information held by third parties like cellphone companies. ... http://goo.gl/uyZBS http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/10-1259.pdf ***** Moderator's Note ***** The FBI had a warrant to attach a GPS locator to the defendent's car, but it was executed after its expiration date, and in Maryland instead of the District of Columbia location specified in the warrant. We used to have a saying, when I was a Military Policeman: "Catch you next time". Bill Horne Moderator
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:32:17 -0500 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: GOP Presidential Hopefuls Experiment With Mobile Ads in Early Contests Message-ID: <yqI21.A.H0D.2FfHPB@telecom> GOP Presidential Hopefuls Experiment With Mobile Ads in Early Contests Likely the 'Last Screen Someone Will Look at When They're Going in to Vote,' Mobile Also Allows for More Creativity, Engagement By: Cotton Delo Published: January 23, 2012 Spending on mobile ads by political campaigns this election cycle will take up only a fraction of candidates' war chests, but the digital teams of GOP presidential hopefuls are busily experimenting with mobile, using it to target specific locations and interest groups. ... http://goo.gl/rQLPc
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:11:41 -0500 From: tmetro+telecomdigest@gmail.com To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Cloud-based PBX service Message-ID: <4F1DF1E2.30104@horne.net> I've been hoping that we'd see more open source apps in hosted form, and we have seen some, but not really wide spread. Take for example virtual PBXs. It's entirely feasible that we could have seen an "Asterisk hosting" market develop much like web hosting, but it didn't happen. There is maybe one vendor that I know of that provides Asterisk hosting. The rest stick a proprietary GUI on top, or use an entirely proprietary solution. If things don't work out with your PBX provider, there is no way to download your config and prompts and upload them to another provider.
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