The Telecom Digest for August 10, 2010
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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 15:30:16 -0700
From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Do rate centers cross state lines?
Message-ID: <5IOdnf-gkrTlHP3RnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@giganews.com>
Steven wrote:
> On 8/8/10 10:03 AM, Howard Sanders wrote:
>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 22:49:04 -0400, Fred Goldstein wrote:
>>
>>> A customer has the right to deliver their own phone service wherever
>>> they want it, even if it crosses state lines.
>>
>>
>> Then there is the exchange of "North Peninsular, Mi" which is served
>> Out of the Toledo, OH CO and Rate Center unless I am mistaken.
>>
> Though the following is not a direct reply, it has to do with how
> customers handled their service needs and problems under the old Bell
> System. In the 60's RCA Defense Systems along with Warwick Electronics;
> (RCA parts for Sears) located in Van Nuys, Calif. They wanted a special
> system and Pacific Telephone would not install it, so they had the
> telephone plant placed on the North end of the plant which was in
> California Water & Telephone's service area, they did what RCA wanted
> and for many years as the plant expanded CWT handled all of their
> service needs and did a very good job of it.
>
On the other side of that coin Zerox had a major facility on the east
side of Pasadena, California. The main building was in GTE terriotry,
formerly CWT territory. GTE built a new C.O. close by hopping to get
Zerox to buy their SxS "centrex" system. This was mid-1970s when Pacific
Bell, that served most of Pasadena had cut over to 1ESS several office
codes, which served a smaller part of Zerox's facility on the west side
of the street across from the main building. Zerox subscribed to
Pacific Bell Centrex, which terminated in the little building. Zerox
then shipped it under the street in a cable vault used for lots of
company stuff. GTE took Zerox before the California PUC and lost.
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 00:56:34 -0700
From: Bruce Bergman <brucebergman@gmail.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Do rate centers cross state lines?
Message-ID: <AANLkTikOk80fjOsHcSRVtE=XUJtm-gB2SLp9Bk_J1VfU@mail.gmail.com>
On 8/8/10 10:03 AM, Howard Sanders wrote:
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 22:49:04 -0400, Fred Goldstein wrote:
> >
> >> A customer has the right to deliver their own phone service wherever
> >> they want it, even if it crosses state lines.
> >
> > Then there is the exchange of "North Peninsular, Mi" which is served
> > Out of the Toledo, OH CO and Rate Center unless I am mistaken.
> >
> Though the following is not a direct reply, it has to do with how
> customers handled their service needs and problems under the old Bell
> System. In the 60's RCA Defense Systems along with Warwick Electronics;
> (RCA parts for Sears) located in Van Nuys, Calif. They wanted a special
> system and Pacific Telephone would not install it, so they had the
> telephone plant placed on the North end of the plant which was in
> California Water & Telephone's service area, they did what RCA wanted
> and for many years as the plant expanded CWT handled all of their
> service needs and did a very good job of it.
>
And there is also Around The Clock Answering Service strategically located
in a small office building (South side of Roscoe, East side of Sepulveda)
that was built straddling the border between CWT/GTE/Verizon Sepulveda CO
and PacBell/at&t Van Nuys Cedros CO.
The GTE Demarc was on the North side of the building, and the PacBell Demarc
on the south, and their switchboards right in the middle - that way they
didn't have to get the OPX's for the customer lines done as an expensive
foreign exchange from either side, and complicated by crossing between
companies.
Nowadays, it's a moot point - just use Call Forwarding. In the forties,
however, you had to do it the hard way - and I don't think either side
wanted the hassles involved...
--<< Bruce >>--
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 09:54:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: jsw <jsw@ivgate.omahug.org>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Do rate centers cross state lines?
Message-ID: <201008091454.o79EsDd9043965@ivgate.omahug.org>
>located in Van Nuys, Calif. They wanted a special
>system and Pacific Telephone would not install it,
(Admittedly wandering a bit off topic, but ...)
In the early 1960s, when I was first becoming fascinated
with 'fone stuph' <bfg>, my aunt worked for a business in
Pico Rivera, just outside of El-Lay proper.
IIRC, their office and warehouse was RIGHT on the border.
At the time they had a mixture of RAymond lines, local to
LA and I assume Pac Bell, and OXford lines, local to Pico
Rivera, and GTE I assume. I was vaguely aware of the
situation in the area, with gerrymandered service areas
of Ma Bell and GTE and the Indies.
What fascinated me was that they had a key system in the
office with buttons for both the RAymond and OXford lines.
I can't recall, maybe didn't even pay that much attention
at the time, if the key system was WECO or AE, but there
was either some degree of cooperation between the two
telcos, or else some kind of a 'cowboy' arrangement in
order to get both sets of lines on one key system.
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 18:40:34 -0400
From: Fred Goldstein <fgoldstein.SeeSigSpambait@wn2.wn.net>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Do rate centers cross state lines?
Message-ID: <20100809224040.5403930722@mailout.easydns.com>
On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 13:03:03 -0400 Howard Sanders wrote,
>On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 22:49:04 -0400, Fred Goldstein wrote:
>
> > A customer has the right to deliver their own phone service wherever
> > they want it, even if it crosses state lines.
>
>Then there is the exchange of "North Peninsular, Mi" which is served
>Out of the Toledo, OH CO and Rate Center unless I am mistaken.
You may be thinking of the North Sylvania, MI exchange. It is a
separate rate center, assigned to Michigan, but ILEC-served out of
the Sylvania, OH wire center (now Frontier, was Verizon). This type
of "locality" is fairly common.
There's also Lost Peninsula, a bit of Michigan attached to land only
via Ohio. But it gets its telephone service from its own wire center,
a Frontier remote off of its Temperance, MI host. The nearby land
area in Michigan is the Erie rate center, also hosted off of Temperance.
--
Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/
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