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The Telecom Digest for July 8, 2012
Volume 31 : Issue 166 : "text" Format
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Re: Cold call firms flaunt rules that block telemarketers (John Levine)
Re: Cold call firms flaunt rules that block telemarketers (Pete Cresswell)

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Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 01:26:49 +0000 (UTC)
From: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Cold call firms flaunt rules that block telemarketers  
Message-ID: <jt838p$fp9$1@leila.iecc.com>

>Devil's Advocate Question: If the Feds can't nail Heather, what
>*can* they do?

Gee, she told me her name was Rachel.

I've talked to an investigator from the FTC about Rachel From Card
Services.  They are painfully aware of what's going on but it's a
challenge to stop because it's not one entity, it's many who have
bought autodialer equipment and a copy of the Rachel recording.  It's
VoIP so it's pretty much impossible to figure out who's making the
call unless they call someone who talks to them long enough to get
them to mail something.

R's,
John

***** Moderator's Note *****

That chain of events started with the FTC calling yours truly, and I
suggested that the actual robodialer equipment is probably located at
one or more down-at-the-heels CLECs in the U.S. Although the humans
who come on line when victims push "1" might be in other nations, it
just doesn't make sense to have the robodialers there, since the costs
of such infrastructure are much lower in the U.S.

And, then, I told them to call John, who is the real expert. ;-)

Bill
P.S. What is Rachel's game, anyway? Just gathering credit card numbers?

Bill Horne
Moderator

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Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 09:27:23 -0400
From: Pete Cresswell <PeteCress@invalid.telecom-digest.org>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Cold call firms flaunt rules that block telemarketers  
Message-ID: <undgv7hal8vm7c4ugsr53gonkr2lgnm40i@4ax.com>

Per Telecom Digest Moderator:
>P.S. What is Rachel's game, anyway? Just gathering credit card numbers?

No clue here.    I actually tried pressing "1" once in hopes of
getting enough info to file a useful complaint; but I didn't even
get to first base information-wise; the guy caught on almost
immediately and hung up.

Somewhere (I wish I had saved the URL) I read a post by somebody
who said they were an investigator for one of the DNC enforcement
agencies.   She mentioned special credit cards that her agency
used for bait and some other techniques that gave me sort of a
warm fuzzy feeling - to the effect that people who actually know
something are making meaningful efforts.

The implication seemed tb that they press "1" and then follow the
chain - supplying the bait info - and then watch for activity and
prosecute based on that.

That led me to suspect that Rachel, Lisa, Heather and Co. are
just harvesting information for sale to others - because if they
were using it themselves, they'd have been nailed by now.  Either
that or this stuff is coming from waaaay offshore - i.e. places
where there is no legal reciprocity/extradition.

-- 
Pete Cresswell






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