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The Telecom Digest for June 06, 2010
Volume 29 : Issue 152 : "text" Format
Messages in this Issue:
Is Steve Jobs Big Brother? (Monty Solomon)
Re: Is Steve Jobs Big Brother? (Steven)
Re: DSL and filters for old phones--question (Steven)
Re: DSL and filters for old phones--question (Bob K)
Re: DSL and filters for old phones--question (David Kaye)
Re: DSL and filters for old phones--question (Sam Spade)
Re: 4G phone will quickly change things (Steven)
Verizon launches 'digital voice' service for FiOS customers (Monty Solomon)
Re: White Pages fading out? (Gordon Burditt)
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 23:28:38 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Is Steve Jobs Big Brother?
Message-ID: <p06240820c82cd199d1dc@[10.0.1.4]>
Is Steve Jobs Big Brother?
By ROBERT WRIGHT
JUNE 1, 2010, 9:00 PM
Steve Jobs is in the running for two trophies: comeback of the decade
and villain of the year.
Last week Apple's market capitalization surpassed Microsoft's -
something that seemed impossible 10 years ago and really impossible
14 years ago, when Jobs returned from corporate exile to resume
leadership of a down-and-out Apple. And some people think Apple's
best years lie ahead; iPads are selling like - well, like iPhones.
Meanwhile, though, Jobs stands accused of what in Silicon Valley is a
capital crime: authoritarian tendencies. He's long played hardball
with journalists who reveal details about forthcoming products, and
now he's deciding what content people can view on the iPhone and
iPad. Apps featuring even soft-core porn are verboten, and some kinds
of political commentary don't make the cut. Apple recently rejected
an app from a political cartoonist - and then, embarrassingly, had to
reconsider after he won the Pulitzer Prize.
Put these two Jobs profiles together - emerging infotech hegemon and
congenital control freak - and you get a scary scenario: growing
dominance of our information pipelines by a guy who likes to filter
information. No wonder Jobs's detractors have been making ironic
reference to Apple's famous 1984 Super Bowl ad, the one that
implicitly cast the IBM-Microsoft alliance as Big Brother.
...
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/01/is-steve-jobs-big-brother/
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 13:14:25 -0700
From: Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Is Steve Jobs Big Brother?
Message-ID: <hueb71$h32$1@news.eternal-september.org>
Monty Solomon wrote:
> Is Steve Jobs Big Brother?
>
> By ROBERT WRIGHT
> JUNE 1, 2010, 9:00 PM
>
> Steve Jobs is in the running for two trophies: comeback of the decade
> and villain of the year.
>
> Last week Apple's market capitalization surpassed Microsoft's -
> something that seemed impossible 10 years ago and really impossible
> 14 years ago, when Jobs returned from corporate exile to resume
> leadership of a down-and-out Apple. And some people think Apple's
> best years lie ahead; iPads are selling like - well, like iPhones.
>
> Meanwhile, though, Jobs stands accused of what in Silicon Valley is a
> capital crime: authoritarian tendencies. He's long played hardball
> with journalists who reveal details about forthcoming products, and
> now he's deciding what content people can view on the iPhone and
> iPad. Apps featuring even soft-core porn are verboten, and some kinds
> of political commentary don't make the cut. Apple recently rejected
> an app from a political cartoonist - and then, embarrassingly, had to
> reconsider after he won the Pulitzer Prize.
>
> Put these two Jobs profiles together - emerging infotech hegemon and
> congenital control freak - and you get a scary scenario: growing
> dominance of our information pipelines by a guy who likes to filter
> information. No wonder Jobs's detractors have been making ironic
> reference to Apple's famous 1984 Super Bowl ad, the one that
> implicitly cast the IBM-Microsoft alliance as Big Brother.
>
> ...
>
> http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/01/is-steve-jobs-big-brother/
>
Having been around since Apple came up with its first Apple Personal
computer, I have used and continue to do so. I helped develope software
for the Apple II and some Macintosh progrems, I feel that Steve Jobs
seems to be doing a good job, despite what some others from outside and
within Apple say.
Years ago I bought Apple stock, it was really way done in the dumps,
around $7.00 a share, now it is up around $300.00. There are 2 things I
don't like about Apple, they do not allow automatic stock purchase for
current stockholders and have not made a dividend in several years.
--
The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today?
(c) 2010 I Kill Spammers, Inc., A Rot in Hell. Co.
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 20:43:06 -0700
From: Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: DSL and filters for old phones--question
Message-ID: <hu78ca$43u$1@news.eternal-september.org>
Jeff wrote:
> I would like to get DSL. However, I have an older 554 (wall rotary
> dial) phone hard wired and mounted on the wall. The phone is in
> regular use.
>
> Is it necessary for DSL to work properly to install a filter between
> the 554 and the phone line? It would be necessary to pull out the
> phone (they were mounted tough in the old days), install a modular
> jack, and find a modular wall phone to replace it. I would like to
> avoid those steps.
>
> Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --Jeff
>
> [public replies, please[
>
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> Jeff, you don't need to do anything to that wall phone.
>
> Here in my house, when I got DSL, I went to the cellar, installed two
> modular jacks next to the inlet point of the drop wire, and connected
> one jack to the incoming line, and the other to my old "JK" wire to
> feed the house phones. Then, I plugged in a DSL filter between them.
>
> There's only one filter for every phone, and I didn't need to touch
> anything else. I recommend the method for all DSL installations.
>
> Bill Horne
> Moderator
>
An even better idea is have a DSL Spliter installed at the entry point
and run Cat 5 or I/O wire to the DSL modem, that way you don't even need
the filters which I found caused more problems then they were worth.
--
The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today?
(c) 2010 I Kill Spammers, Inc., A Rot in Hell. Co.
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 23:50:59 -0400
From: Bob K <SPAMpot@Frontiernet.net>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: DSL and filters for old phones--question
Message-ID: <4C0726A3.9040800@Frontiernet.net>
On 6/2/2010 12:33 PM, Jeff wrote:
> I would like to get DSL. However, I have an older 554 (wall rotary
> dial) phone hard wired and mounted on the wall. The phone is in
> regular use.
>
> Is it necessary for DSL to work properly to install a filter between
> the 554 and the phone line? It would be necessary to pull out the
> phone (they were mounted tough in the old days), install a modular
> jack, and find a modular wall phone to replace it. I would like to
> avoid those steps.
>
> Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --Jeff
>
> [public replies, please[
>
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> Jeff, you don't need to do anything to that wall phone.
>
> Here in my house, when I got DSL, I went to the cellar, installed two
> modular jacks next to the inlet point of the drop wire, and connected
> one jack to the incoming line, and the other to my old "JK" wire to
> feed the house phones. Then, I plugged in a DSL filter between them.
>
> There's only one filter for every phone, and I didn't need to touch
> anything else. I recommend the method for all DSL installations.
>
> Bill Horne
> Moderator
>
The way Bill did this is the same approach I took, and it really worked
out well. A couple thoughts, tho. . .
Remember the phone line to the DSL modem must be connected before that
whole-house filter.
They do make whole-house DSL filters, but my telephone company did not
provide them when I got my DSL service. Those filters provide a
filtered connection out for the house wiring, and an unfiltered
connection for the line to the modem.
Filtering the entire legacy phone wiring helps protect the DSL signal
from losses due to poor installations or lossy phone wires. I ran into
a situation where the yellow wire had been connected to one of the
signal wires (red or green) for some reason, and that created an
unbalanced condition that acted as an antenna that caused an early solid
state phone to become a radio receiver. That probably would be real bad
news for a 'normal' DSL installation.
....Bob
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 21:29:43 GMT
From: sfdavidkaye2@yahoo.com (David Kaye)
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: DSL and filters for old phones--question
Message-ID: <huefk7$848$1@news.eternal-september.org>
Bob K <SPAMpot@Frontiernet.net> wrote:
>Filtering the entire legacy phone wiring helps protect the DSL signal
>from losses due to poor installations or lossy phone wires. I ran into
>a situation where the yellow wire had been connected to one of the
>signal wires (red or green) for some reason, [....]
Isn't that the standard way "private line" phones were wired from the days
when party lines were in existence? As I recall splitting out the 3rd wire
and putting a capacitor or a diode or something on it allowed two different
ringing schemes to be used (pulsed DC one way for one phone and pulsed DC the
other way for the other phone on the same line).
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 02:29:44 -0700
From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: DSL and filters for old phones--question
Message-ID: <8oydnbXO16SVhJfRnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d@giganews.com>
>>***** Moderator's Note *****
>>
>>Jeff, you don't need to do anything to that wall phone.
>>
>>Here in my house, when I got DSL, I went to the cellar, installed two
>>modular jacks next to the inlet point of the drop wire, and connected
>>one jack to the incoming line, and the other to my old "JK" wire to
>>feed the house phones. Then, I plugged in a DSL filter between them.
>>
>>There's only one filter for every phone, and I didn't need to touch
>>anything else. I recommend the method for all DSL installations.
>>
>>Bill Horne
>>Moderator
>
>
My experience with 4 or 5 brief DSL installations that the filters often
aren't required. I tried it both with and without them and the voice
quality seemed to be the same in either case. I guess they provide them
because it some cases they are needed.
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 20:49:45 -0700
From: Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: 4G phone will quickly change things
Message-ID: <hu78op$5s5$1@news.eternal-september.org>
Sam Spade wrote:
>
> My wife and I recently went on an auto trip through much of Arizona. The
> only place we saw 3G was in the Tucson and Phoeniz areas. Mile upon
> endless mile of the old "E" protocol. Same for eastern California along
> the High Sierra.
>
> They did a good job with the old "E" network, both from a population
> center and large geographical coverage standpoint. Not so, though with
> 3G and that probably will be the same, or worse, with 4G.
>
> So, as long as a person remains in "center city" they will be covered
> (whenever congestion lets up).
>
You are lucky you even got anything in the Sierras. I was up in the
area called the Yuba Foothills and there were major dead spots once you
got out of the cities. I did see something though AT&T was putting
Fiber along Marysville Road though Oregon House towards Brownsville. I
would guess they are planning to upgrade the switches in both Oregon
House and Challenge, I have friends that will like that.
--
The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today?
(c) 2010 I Kill Spammers, Inc., A Rot in Hell. Co.
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 00:47:32 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Verizon launches 'digital voice' service for FiOS customers
Message-ID: <p06240833c82e356a0500@[10.0.1.4]>
Verizon launches 'digital voice' service for FiOS customers
June 3, 2010 12:13
Globe Staff
Verizon Communications, Inc. today launched an "enhanced" digital
phone service -- FiOS Digital Voice -- that runs on its
all-fiber-optic network.
The new service has a number of features that are not available with
Verizon's traditional "Freedom Essentials" voice service, like "Live
Voice Mail Screening" that gives users the option to hear voice mail
messages as they arrive and then decide whether or not to take the
incoming call.
...
http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2010/06/verizon_launche.html
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 00:40:27 -0500
From: gordonb.6t45b@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt)
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: White Pages fading out?
Message-ID: <wpOdnZpwM97WfpTRnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@posted.internetamerica>
>A few months back, I posted a review of quality of various on line listing
>databases, as I was dismayed that the quality was getting poorer, not
>better. The problem is that the field has been taken over by the data
>consolidators, big time, where there's a financial incentive never to
>drop bad listings and out of date information. Even if you can get them
>to drop a bad listing, it reappears with their next purchase of the list
>from another data consolidator, till the idea of a source for the listing
>becomes moot.
I'd like to suggest using the U.S. Census Bureau as the source for
white pages information. By law, personal information (which would
include name and telephone number) won't be released for 72 years,
but that's not much worse than the other sources available. It's
only updated every 10 years. But they do get rid of old data, or
rather gather it from scratch every 10 years.
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