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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:56:59 -0400
From: tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Haverhill teen to serve year in jail for fatal texting crash; judge calls for people to keep eyes on road
Message-ID: <1h7i9o20qg84k$.i7k338vxu3se.dlg@40tude.net>
On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 04:16:00 +0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> Wow. He'll serve a year at the county jail for taking a human life.
> So that's what deterrence smells like.
He'll be housed, fed, and clothed for a year at county expense. Deterrence,
you call that?
Cheers, -- tlvp
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Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
Date: 9 Jun 2012 13:27:53 -0000
From: "John Levine" <johnl@iecc.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Haverhill teen to serve year in jail for fatal texting crash; judge calls for people to keep eyes on road
Message-ID: <20120609132753.23177.qmail@joyce.lan>
>He'll be housed, fed, and clothed for a year at county expense. Deterrence,
>you call that?
Have you ever visited a prison? Even the better ones are rather unpleasant
places to live.
R's,
John
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:08:03 -0500
From: Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Haverhill teen to serve year in jail for fatal texting crash; judge calls for people to keep eyes on road
Message-ID: <jqvot5$l5g$1@dont-email.me>
On 6/8/2012 7:56 PM, tlvp wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 04:16:00 +0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>
>> Wow. He'll serve a year at the county jail for taking a human life.
>> So that's what deterrence smells like.
>
> He'll be housed, fed, and clothed for a year at county expense. Deterrence,
> you call that?
Not sure what you're suggesting. A year's slavery and renting him out
naked to work in the mines and live on what scraps he can steal from
the guards? Maybe spending a year in the county jail sounds like fun
to you, but most people would rather avoid it.
Dave
Date: 8 Jun 2012 21:39:27 -0000
From: "John Levine" <johnl@iecc.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Haverhill teen to serve year in jail for fatal texting crash; judge calls for people to keep eyes on road
Message-ID: <20120608213927.28342.qmail@joyce.lan>
On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 00:16:00 0400 (EDT), Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>Wow. He'll serve a year at the county jail for taking a human life.
>So that's what deterrence smells like.
Do you really think that, say, 50 years with frequent beatings would
be more of a deterrent to an absent minded teenager? My recollection
of my teen years is that one year and 50 years seemed equally close to
eternal.
In a case like this, where he was negligent rather than malicious, a
long prison term would primarily ensure that we spend hundreds of
thousands of dollars to keep him in prison, and when he got out, he'd
have no skills other than for committing more crimes.
R's,
John
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:06:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: HAncock4 <withheld@invalid.telecom-digest.org>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Haverhill teen to serve year in jail for fatal texting crash; judge calls for people to keep eyes on road
Message-ID: <6ca55a22-3c41-430e-918d-975da31b81bc@h10g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
On Jun 8, 5:39 pm, "John Levine" <jo...@iecc.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 00:16:00 0400 (EDT), Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >Wow. He'll serve a year at the county jail for taking a human life.
> >So that's what deterrence smells like.
> Do you really think that, say, 50 years with frequent beatings would
> be more of a deterrent to an absent minded teenager? My recollection
> of my teen years is that one year and 50 years seemed equally close to
> eternal.
My recollection of teen years is different. If a certain act had a
high probability of a swift and severe punishment, kids were aware of
it and usually avoided it.
The old expression of deterrence, "swift, sure, and severe" punishment
is true.
We had a spate of car thefts committed by kids looking for joy rides.
Finally the cops got one of the kids and he was locked up. That put a
stop to it.
> In a case like this, where he was negligent rather than malicious, a
> long prison term would primarily ensure that we spend hundreds of
> thousands of dollars to keep him in prison, and when he got out, he'd
> have no skills other than for committing more crimes.
A year in county jail doesn't cost "hundreds of thousands of
dollars". He likely won't even serve the full year, either.
Kids are texting while driving today because the odds are very high
they won't even get caught, and even if caught, nothing significant
will happen to them
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 00:24:35 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Teen texting behind wheel common, study finds
Message-ID: <p062408cacbf87fa4cb47@[10.0.1.2]>
Teen texting behind wheel common, study finds
42% in Mass. say they do it
By Kay Lazar
Globe Staff / June 8, 2012
Forty-two percent of Massachusetts high school students who drive
admit they text while behind the wheel, according to a state survey
to be released Friday.
The report, from the state's Department of Public Health, also finds
that texting while driving is most common among high school seniors,
with 61 percent of drivers admitting to the behavior, more than three
times the percentage for sophomore drivers.
...
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2012/06/08/42_of_massachusetts_high_school_drivers_text_behind_the_wheel_survey_finds/?page=full
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