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The Telecom Digest
Volume 29 : Issue 133 : "text" Format
Messages in this Issue:
Re: Phone number helped track terror suspect (Thad Floryan)
Re: Phone number helped track terror suspect (John Levine)
Re: Phone number helped track terror suspect (Wesrock)
Re: Caller ID Spoofing Puts Innocent Man In Jail (r.e.d.)
Re: Phone Number Tracking Terrorists (Bob Goudreau)
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Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 02:51:15 -0700
From: Thad Floryan <thad@thadlabs.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Phone number helped track terror suspect
Message-ID: <4BEE6E93.3070208@thadlabs.com>
On 5/13/2010 11:11 PM, David Clayton wrote:
> On Thu, 13 May 2010 12:37:32 +0000, danny burstein wrote:
> .........
>> And the very first episode of "The Lone Gunmen" [a], a spinoff from "The X
>> Files" following the exploits of the three somewhat strange...
>> technogeeks, had the plot device of a jetliner about to crash into the
>> WTC. Oh, and this aired in March, 2001.
>>
>> No one ever claimed that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed ever watched it...
>
> Since that show didn't last very long, I'd say the ratings proved very few
> people ever watched it on the air..... and the DVDs would have come out
> well after September 2001.
>
> It is amazing how some people seem to believe that they are the only ones
> capable of coming up with a particular idea, innit?
Back in the 1980s a very popular computer game was Microsoft Flight Simulator.
I bought a copy for my Commodore 64. Everyone I know, myself included, always
tried to crash the plane into the Sears Tower as one of the first things done
in the game. I have NO idea why, but it just seemed to be "the" thing to do.
With all respect to the victims of WTC 9/11, the idea of crashing a plane into
a building had been around for a l-o-n-g time. One can even cite the Japanese
kamikaze pilots as "prior art".
***** Moderat's Note *****
This has wandered away from telecom. Please help to keep the thread on-topic if you reply.
Bill Horne
Moderator
Date: 15 May 2010 17:07:43 -0000
From: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Phone number helped track terror suspect
Message-ID: <20100515170743.90737.qmail@joyce.lan>
[ definitely not for the digest ]
>With all respect to the victims of WTC 9/11, the idea of crashing a
>plane into a building had been around for a l-o-n-g time. One can
>even cite the Japanese kamikaze pilots as "prior art".
Surely we haven't all forgotten the B-25 that flew into the Empire
State Building on a foggy day in July 1945:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-25_Empire_State_Building_crash
A B-25 was about 10% the weight of a 767, and the ESB was apparently
built more sturdily than the WTC, since only 14 people died, the three
man crew and 11 in the office on the 79th floor that it crashed into.
There wasn't structural damage so they just fixed the hole.
ObTelecom: my father in law was working in the ESB and rushed to a pay
phone to call his wife. "Don't worry, I'm OK." "Of course you're OK.
Why wouldn't you be OK?"
R's,
John
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 20:13:43 EDT
From: Wesrock@aol.com
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Phone number helped track terror suspect
Message-ID: <32222.4227a91b.392092b7@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/15/2010 6:12:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
johnl@iecc.com writes:
> ObTelecom: my father in law was working in the ESB and rushed to a
> pay phone to call his wife. "Don't worry, I'm OK." "Of course
> you're OK. Why wouldn't you be OK?"
Reminds me ot the time my sister, who had flown back to Denver that
day, called me in the afternoon to tell me she was OK. What? The
flight number she was on crashed taking off for Billings. And she
thought I might have heard the reports. (I immediately turned on CNN
while we were still talking and saw the wreckage live.) Besides it
having taken off after she had arrived OK, that wasn't even the same
plane. They had put a different plane on for that flight number
leaving Denver. (Used to happen fairly frequently in Tulsa, where
American had its maintenance base and they flew planes in revenue
service in and switched planes with a new one leaving.) Telecom:
Telephone and television both live communications.
Wes Leatherock
wesrock@aol.com
wleathus@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 16:17:04 -0400
From: "r.e.d." <red-nospam-99@mindspring.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Caller ID Spoofing Puts Innocent Man In Jail
Message-ID: <5M2dnRSHg5nRnHLWnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
"Sam Spade" <sam@coldmail.com> wrote in message
news:8d2dnZnCTalzn3HWnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Monty Solomon wrote:
>
>> May 11, 2010 6:57 am US/Eastern
>>
>> Caller ID Spoofing Puts Innocent Man In Jail
>>
>> Joe Shortsleeve
>>
>> QUINCY (WBZ)
>>
>> Imagine police bursting into your home, handcuffing you, and then locking
>> you up for days for something you did not do.
>>
>> The I-Team says that is exactly what happened to a Quincy man, and WBZ's
>> Chief Correspondent Joe Shortsleeve says this man was set up by someone
>> using a popular technology.
>>
>> The man does not want people to know his name, but he recounted that cold
>> winter night a year ago when he was making cupcakes in his kitchen.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> http://wbztv.com/local/man.arrested.innocent.2.1686484.html
>>
>
> This was a serious error by the FCC in their Caller ID proceedings in
> 1995. Had they put an absolute cap on the source of the CPIN message to
> be only the originating end office, this guy would not have been a victim
> of those low-lifes.
>
> If I were the victim I would be speaking with an attorney about the
> police's haste, and lack of understanding of how lousy Caller ID info can
> be. Seems like they should have first put a trap on the women's line,
> then looked at ANI before they went gestapo.
>
Even simpler, they could have checked the victim's (actually 2 victims
here, but you know what I mean) billing/call-detail records at the
phone company, right?
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 16:40:57 -0400
From: "Bob Goudreau" <BobGoudreau@nc.rr.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Phone Number Tracking Terrorists
Message-ID: <A6BB3F09B3814A299710B26E16842C9C@meng.lab.emc.com>
"Gray, Charles" <charles.gray@okstate.edu> wrote:
> Some time back (dates have faded in memory) the "media" reported it as
> great news that the US and its allies could track the location of
> Osama bin Laden's cell phone, whereupon he stopped using one. IIRC he
> gave his to one of his "associates" who subsequently got nailed by a
> drone-launched weapon.
>
> Was the "media" culpable in this case?
Certainly not. First of all, it's not just the date that you are
misremembering. There is no cell phone coverage in remote places
such as Tora Bora. You were no doubt thinking of satellite phones.
Even reporting that satellite phones can be tracked is hardly giving
the game away. The Russians tracked and killed Chechen president
Jokhar Dudayev (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokhar_Dudayev) way back
in 1996 using exactly this method, so bin Laden was already certainly
aware that using satellite phones carried risks as well as advantages.
More generally, wireless phones of all types are necessarily radios,
and it has been well known for many decades that radio transmitters
are vulnerable to detection in military operations. Pointing out a
well-known fact in the press is not a crime.
Bob Goudreau
Cary, NC
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