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Re: Verizon selling off phone lines
Re: Verizon selling off phone lines
Re: CO backup power (was Re: FiOS in MDU Buildings
Re: CO backup power (was Re: FiOS in MDU Buildings
Re: Verizon selling off phone lines
Re: Verizon selling off phone lines
Re: CO backup power (was Re: FiOS in MDU Buildings
Strange job posting for Verizon California {Telecom}
Re: CO backup power (was Re: FiOS in MDU Buildings
Re: Verizon selling off phone lines
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Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 07:34:37 -0400
From: Carl Navarro <cnavarro@wcnet.org>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Verizon selling off phone lines
Message-ID: <kmkq055gpu8gdad88hid20dd1tls480pp9@4ax.com>
On Thu, 14 May 2009 23:10:04 -0400 (EDT), Eric Tappert
<e.tappert.spamnot@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 14 May 2009 17:49:03 -0400 (EDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
>>There was an article that Verizon is selling off some of its landline
>>territories to Frontier. (Unfortunately I lost the URL). From the
>>states mentioned, these appear to be those it acquired when it bought
>>GTE.
>>
>>I always wondered why Verizon bought out GTE in the first place.
>>
>>***** Moderator's Note *****
>>
>>I'm going to see where those areas are, and apply to Frontier: I guess
>>everybody moves South or West, sooner or later, and it's getting
>>really hard to be a sole proprietor.
>>
>>I don't know why Verizon bought GTE: maybe they needed the Strowger
It hurts my head to read this. What, I'm getting Frontier stock now?
Geeze, I started with GTE, got Verizon, got Idearc, got some other
deal, and now Frontier.
At least I don't have to get pitched about TV, landline, and cell all
in one bill anymore :-)
Carl
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Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 07:34:18 -0700
From: Steven Lichter <diespammers@ikillspammers.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Verizon selling off phone lines
Message-ID: <M3fPl.10543$im1.8288@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>
Carl Navarro wrote:
> On Thu, 14 May 2009 23:10:04 -0400 (EDT), Eric Tappert
> <e.tappert.spamnot@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 14 May 2009 17:49:03 -0400 (EDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>
>>> There was an article that Verizon is selling off some of its landline
>>> territories to Frontier. (Unfortunately I lost the URL). From the
>>> states mentioned, these appear to be those it acquired when it bought
>>> GTE.
>>>
>>> I always wondered why Verizon bought out GTE in the first place.
>>>
>>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>>>
>>> I'm going to see where those areas are, and apply to Frontier: I guess
>>> everybody moves South or West, sooner or later, and it's getting
>>> really hard to be a sole proprietor.
>>>
>>> I don't know why Verizon bought GTE: maybe they needed the Strowger
>
>
> It hurts my head to read this. What, I'm getting Frontier stock now?
> Geeze, I started with GTE, got Verizon, got Idearc, got some other
> deal, and now Frontier.
>
> At least I don't have to get pitched about TV, landline, and cell all
> in one bill anymore :-)
>
> Carl
Same here with the stock, but converted it all back to Verizon.
Frontier stock is in the dumps worse then Verizon. Some of my stock
was restricted since it was given to me as an employee. I learned
early on not to keep my 401K in company stock.
Before the merger GTE stock was always high, also they had huge
amounts of cash and the merged company wasted most of it. At least
our old retirement is very well funded and any one still working for
the company had theirs cashed out and moved to a 401K.
--
The Only Good Spammer is a Dead one!! Have you hunted one down today?
(c) 2009 I Kill Spammers, Inc. A Rot In Hell Co.
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Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:27:06 -0500
From: "Who Me?" <hitchhiker@dont.panic>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: CO backup power (was Re: FiOS in MDU Buildings
Message-ID: <F4ePl.16833$%54.10653@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>
> On Sun, 10 May 2009 19:26:02 -0700 (PDT) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
> wrote:
>>
>> Once again, Morris was _not_ a production installation, but a
>> special test site.
Morris was (is) a wire center and had a switch there after the test was
over, did it not ??
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Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:34:46 -0500
From: "Who Me?" <hitchhiker@dont.panic>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: CO backup power (was Re: FiOS in MDU Buildings
Message-ID: <SbePl.16836$%54.11338@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>
Bill Horne wrote:
> Not even the power room techs,
> who worked on the generators for hours at a time, had hearing
> protection provided to them.
>
I know (knew....RIP) a couple of switching techs. who lost 50% or more of
their hearing from working in the common equipment room of #5 Crossbar. I'm
surprised their TEETH didn't fall out !! It was pretty obvious that hearing
protection was needed in there but in the early days whatever was provided
was apparently not good enough.
***** Moderator's Note *****
In N.E.T., there wasn't any protection provided, and the techs just
accepted hearing damage as a part of the job. I'd bet that a
sociologist would have a field day, figuring out the corporate gestalt
that made workers believe that they were destined to loose their
hearing at a young age.
My cow-orker and I were the first wave of a new age: the time when
workers realized that corporations didn't always have the workers'
best interests at heart.
Bill Horne
Temporary Moderator
P.S. If you think #5 was bad, you should have heard the Panel office:
the schreech of metal clutches combined with the ordure of burnt
Brylcreem would ruin two of your senses at the same time. ;-)
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Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 09:35:27 -0400
From: Fred Goldstein <fgoldstein.SeeSigSpambait@wn2.wn.net>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Verizon selling off phone lines
Message-ID: <20090515133358.B049D4821F@mailout.easydns.com>
On Thu, 14 May 2009 06:53:55 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote,
>There was an article that Verizon is selling off some of its landline
>territories to Frontier. (Unfortunately I lost the URL). From the
>states mentioned, these appear to be those it acquired when it bought
>GTE.
>
>I always wondered why Verizon bought out GTE in the first place.
For the wireless licenses. GTE had bought Contel for its wireless
assets, and VZ (the renamed Bell Atlantic, itself really run by the
old See and Pee) wanted a national wireless footprint. They only
wanted a few of the wireline areas.
>***** Moderator's Note *****
>I don't know why Verizon bought GTE: maybe they needed the Strowger
>pattents. ;-)
IIRC, Panel was invented because Ma Bell refused to license
them. Once they expired, Ma started building steppers.
>I'm going to see where those areas are, and apply to Frontier: I guess
>everybody moves South or West, sooner or later, and it's getting
>really hard to be a sole proprietor.
Frontier's mostly picking up territories in the northern states.
There's a slide set in Frontier's Investor Relations web site that
shows the existing Frontier footprint in red and the territories
they're acquiring in blue, so you can see where they are. Basically,
VZ is selling off most of its VZ-West (ex-GTE)states *but* keeping
Texas, California, and Florida. Seidenberg said that those
territories were largely urban, like VZ-East. That's all that's
going to be left within VZ of the old GTE ILECs.
VZ is selling off a huge footprint in the midwest, including
Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin, Ohio and Michigan. In a couple of
states (especially IL) they might cover more square miles than ATT
Ameritech (really now Southwestern Bell). They're also selling off
big territories in Washington State (much of the eastern suburbs of
Seattle) and Oregon (includes some Portland suburbs), plus the nearby
Idaho panhandle. The biggest VZ areas being sold off in the South
are in the Carolinas, including Durham. One VZ-East (See and
Pee/Bell Atlantic) state is being sold too, West Virginia. Frontier
had the second-largest turf there already.
One bit of California is being sold, Verizon West Coast, whose
territory runs from the Oregon coast into Del Norte County. I'm a
bit surprised that they're keeping the ex-Contel turf, since that's
rural too and is near Frontier turf in various places. The biggest
VZ concentration in CA, though, is in the Los Angeles area. VZ is
also selling its little patch of Nevada.
VZ had previously sold Missouri and Alabama to CenturyTel, no doubt a
far worse deal for the affected ratepayers. Arkansas, New Mexico,
Oklahoma and part of Texas had been spun out as Valor, later acquired
by Windstream (itself the ILEC formerly owned by Alltel). The recent
sale of Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont ILECs to Fairpoint has been
a bit rocky, at least financially, as Fairpoint's finances are not
great. And the sale of Hawaii to Carlyle led to Chapter 11.
So Frontier is being rather brave to take on this kind of deal. Like
the Fairpoint move, it's being done as a Reverse Morris Trust. VZ's
properties are being moved to a subsidiary "SpinCo" that will merge
into Frontier. Frontier will pay no cash, but take over $3B of
Verizon debt, and issue new shares to Verizon stockholders (not
Verizon itself). This will give VZ's current stockholders around 2/3
ownership (depending on how the stocks move) of Frontier.
Frontier itself is really the old Citizens Communications, which
bought Frontier's name and ILECs from Global Crossing, who had bought
Frontier Corp. for its LD assets (which gave Global Crossing a strong
US network). Frontier's biggest ILEC asset was the old Rochester
Telephone, more urban than any of the Citizens areas.
--
Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/
+1 617 795 2701
***** Moderator's Note *****
I infer two things from Verizon's move:
1. VZ expects continued growth in wireless, and has retained wireline
customers only in areas where they predict that business users will
continue to rely on the dominent ILEC
2. VZ does not expect union employees to give back wages or benefits
in future negotiations, and is therefore ridding itself of
high-maintenance-cost areas.
Bill Horne
Temporary Moderator
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Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:34:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Verizon selling off phone lines
Message-ID: <9db85096-a6fb-4f6e-8bce-fa06ee77c450@o30g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>
On May 15, 10:53 am, Fred Goldstein
<fgoldstein.SeeSigSpamb...@wn2.wn.net> wrote:
> >I don't know why Verizon bought GTE: maybe they needed the Strowger
> >pattents. ;-)
>
> IIRC, Panel was invented because Ma Bell refused to license
> them. Once they expired, Ma started building steppers.
Not correct. Panel was invented because step-by-step could not handle
the complex networking and interchange requirements of large cities.
At that time step was limited to 10x10 matrices while panel could have
much larger selections and routings. Further, panel included
automated interfaces for calls to/from manual exchanges.
As the old Bell System automated, they not only licensed AE patents,
but sub-contracted with AE to build the switches for them.
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> I infer two things from Verizon's move:
>
> 1. VZ expects continued growth in wireless, and has retained wireline
> customers only in areas where they predict that business users will
> continue to rely on the dominent ILEC
>
> 2. VZ does not expect union employees to give back wages or benefits
> in future negotiations, and is therefore ridding itself of
> high-maintenance-cost areas.
Agreed. For years the old companies have been establishing new units
of non-union personnel. These employees are very different than the
old Bell System types; many work on commission or agency-status.
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Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 07:28:02 -0700
From: Steven Lichter <diespammers@ikillspammers.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: CO backup power (was Re: FiOS in MDU Buildings
Message-ID: <cTePl.19040$8_3.12339@flpi147.ffdc.sbc.com>
Bill Horne wrote:
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 08:25:36PM -0700, Steven Lichter wrote:
>> Bill Horne wrote:
>>
>>> ... we refused to work with the generator running next to us, and
>>> our boss never said anything about it.
>> They were too cheap to buy ear protection?
>
> That's a more complicated question than you'd think: New England
> Telephone was never big on that, and I never figured out why. As a
> pilot, I had access to noise-cancelling headsets and to ordinary ear
> protectors, both considered essential for pilots, but I didn't use
> them on the job because there was a very pronounced "everyone or
> noone" attitude among we union men. Not even the power room techs,
> who worked on the generators for hours at a time, had hearing
> protection provided to them.
>
> Bill Horne
> (Filter QRM from my address for direct replies.)
A lot of deaf employees now.
In 1967 I was interviewed for the job, and was brought into a Step SATT
room, talk about noise. When ever I went into the power room or satt
room, I put sound blocking sets on. The old Step offices were bad on
their own: in time I guess we got used to it, no hearing problems now.
Years ago I had wax removed from my ears and went to work, that day I
stayed in the Frame room.
--
The Only Good Spammer is a Dead one!! Have you hunted one down today?
(c) 2009 I Kill Spammers, Inc. A Rot In Hell Co.
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Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 09:35:51 -0700
From: Steven Lichter <diespammers@ikillspammers.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Strange job posting for Verizon California {Telecom}
Message-ID: <2LgPl.19045$8_3.7522@flpi147.ffdc.sbc.com>
Found this on HR site. Must b a time warp.
Central Office Frame Maintainer (Part-time)
US-CA-Rancho Cucamonga
You don't get to be a leader in global communications without learning a
thing or two about what it takes to stay out in front. Not to mention
the types of people a company needs to make it happen. We look for
individuals who are motivated by the success of their team and by the
success of their careers. That's the formula for success at Verizon. If
it's yours as well, apply right away.
Duties include but are not limited to:
Perform assigned duties on central office distributing frames, such as
cuts, installs, rearranges, or other duties required to maintain,
routine, clear trouble, and work with other departments in conjunction
with distributing frames. Perform duties in maintaining central office
equipment such as bank cleaning, lubrication, and changing wipers.
Perform such work under minimum supervision.
Desired Skills/Experience:
* College Degree desired
* Candidate must have great communication skills and be a
self-starter, able to work with minimal supervision
* Candidate must have strong computer skills
* Previous Central Office experience, including familiarity with
switching equipment
Essential Qualifications:
* Possess a valid California drivers license
* The ability to stand, bend and stoop for long periods of time;
lift up to 25 lbs. and climb 11' ladder
Verizon Offers:
* Hourly rate of pay starts at $12.59 per hour, up to $26.89 per
hour (wage credit provided for related experience and/or college degree)
* Benefits include medical, dental, life insurance, 401(k) and paid
vacation
View test previews:
utbr_testpreview.pdf
There’s more than one way to move a company forward. You can focus on
advancing your own career or on advancing the entire organization. At
Verizon, we look for individuals who can approach both with equal
enthusiasm.
APPLY ONLINE
Thank you for showing an interest in Verizon!
Verizon is an equal opportunity/affirmative action employer supporting
workforce diversity. m/f/d/v. Principals only!
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Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:36:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: CO backup power (was Re: FiOS in MDU Buildings
Message-ID: <49506359-7143-4b68-b38c-840e246eeb36@u10g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>
On May 15, 12:00 am, Bill Horne <bill...@horneQRM.net> wrote:
> That's a more complicated question than you'd think: New England
> Telephone was never big on that, and I never figured out why. As a
> pilot, I had access to noise-cancelling neadsets and to ordinary ear
> protectors, both considered essential for pilots, but I didn't use
> them on the job because there was a very pronounced "everyone or
> noone" attitude among we union men. Not even the power room techs,
> who worked on the generators for hours at a time, had hearing
> protection provided to them.
I believe hearing protection, or other occupation safety, wasn't as
big an issue back in 1973 as it would be later, in many industries.
In many areas (noise, fumes, radiation, etc.) the allowable hazard
exposure was lowered over time as delayed problems to situations was
recognized.
For instance, pre-war subway trains were quite noisy but trainmen
didn't have any ear protection in the 1970s.
Today workers like cops and medical personnel wear gloves to reduce
risk of infection exposure when not that long ago they didn't; yet
they dealt with infectious people all the time. Back then they washed
their hands afterward and thought that was sufficient.
Also, in industrialized workshops sometimes there was a macho attitude
among the workers in that they're "tough enough to take it" and they
didn't want to wear safety gear (some of which was uncomfortable).
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Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 02:30:38 +0000 (UTC)
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Verizon selling off phone lines
Message-ID: <gul8ge$vqb$1@grapevine.csail.mit.edu>
In article <6645152a0905142050m70feb103h9ac84168879b337@mail.gmail.com>,
John Mayson <john@mayson.us> wrote:
>My dad was former GTE (former as of 1991). He said the same thing.
>Technically it was a merger, but it was pretty much Bell Atlantic
>swallowing GTE.
Although it's not directly relevant to the BEL-GTE merger, today,
accounting rules require *all* transactions to be accounted for as one
company buying another. Which one is which has an impact on the tax
treatment for shareholders, and companies usually structure these
deals to minimize investor tax liabilities. (There used to be another
accounting treatment, called "merger of equals", in which the assets,
liabilities, and equity of each company were effectively pooled. This
caused some problems of inappropriate asset valuation during the
Internet boom of the late '90s and so the rules were changed.)
-GAWollman
--
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wollman@bimajority.org| is openly corrupt. You can fix stupid, or at least
Opinions not shared | you can try, but you can't fix evil. Don't make the
with my employers. | mistake of confusing Fox with journalism. ~ Fred Vultee
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