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Volume 28 : Issue 115 : "text" Format
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Re: size a major consideration in mobile phone sets
Re: size a major consideration in mobile phone sets
Re: size a major consideration in mobile phone sets
Re: size a major consideration in mobile phone sets
Re: size a major consideration in mobile phone sets
Re: size a major consideration in mobile phone sets
Re: size a major consideration in mobile phone sets
Toll-free number use outside of North America
Re: Toll-free number use outside of North America
T-Mobile glorifies vandalism?
Re: T-Mobile glorifies vandalism?
Re: T-Mobile glorifies vandalism?
Re: Qwest disconnected our 800 number
Re: Qwest disconnected our 800 number
Re: AT&T doubling 3G capacity
Re: Qwest disconnected our 800 number
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:20:01 -0400
From: "Dr. Barry L. Ornitz" <BLOrnitz48@charter.net>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: size a major consideration in mobile phone sets
Message-ID: <h4SIl.102048$e_5.17815@newsfe03.iad>
"John Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> wrote in message
news:20090425110957.69122.qmail@simone.iecc.com...
> >All my phone are CDMA; I one tried one of those antennas that you
> >stick on the rear or side window with a small one on the inside
> >that are supposed to help the signal improve, but I did not see
> >any difference.
>
> I'm not surprised, it's hard to see how a passive antenna could
> provide much gain.
I have already deleted the original post, but is it possible he was
referring to thru-glass antennas? For example, patent 6661386
describes a thru-glass coupler. While the coupler does have loss,
it requires drilling no holes in the automobile. But these do not work
if the glass is coated with a conductive coating like tin oxide for
defrosting.
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:43:19 -0700
From: Steven Lichter <diespammers@ikillspammers.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: size a major consideration in mobile phone sets
Message-ID: <Ia0Jl.25447$c45.17892@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com>
Dr. Barry L. Ornitz wrote:
> "John Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> wrote in message
> news:20090425110957.69122.qmail@simone.iecc.com...
>>> All my phone are CDMA; I one tried one of those antennas that you
>>> stick on the rear or side window with a small one on the inside
>>> that are supposed to help the signal improve, but I did not see
>>> any difference.
>>
>> I'm not surprised, it's hard to see how a passive antenna could
>> provide much gain.
>
> I have already deleted the original post, but is it possible he was
> referring to thru-glass antennas? For example, patent 6661386
> describes a thru-glass coupler. While the coupler does have loss,
> it requires drilling no holes in the automobile. But these do not work
> if the glass is coated with a conductive coating like tin oxide for
> defrosting.
That is the type of antenna I tried. It did not seem to make much of a
difference at all, I put it both on the back window, not near the
defroster wires and on a side window. A poster told me about another
type of antenna, but the price is out of sight.
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Date: 26 Apr 2009 20:29:43 -0000
From: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: size a major consideration in mobile phone sets
Message-ID: <20090426202943.21453.qmail@simone.iecc.com>
>That is the type of antenna I tried. It did not seem to make much of a
>difference at all, I put it both on the back window, not near the
>defroster wires and on a side window. A poster told me about another
>type of antenna, but the price is out of sight.
It's under $200 which is pretty reasonable for that kind of kit. It's
probably no more than your phone cost your carrier.
If you're eligible for a new subsidized phone, you might see about
getting one with an antenna plug, then get a glass mount or magnetic
roof antenna with a cable you can plug into the phone. That should be
under $50.
R's,
John
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 15:17:25 -0700
From: Steven Lichter <diespammers@ikillspammers.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: size a major consideration in mobile phone sets
Message-ID: <z05Jl.6163$Lr6.3457@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com>
John Levine wrote:
>> That is the type of antenna I tried. It did not seem to make much of a
>> difference at all, I put it both on the back window, not near the
>> defroster wires and on a side window. A poster told me about another
>> type of antenna, but the price is out of sight.
>
> It's under $200 which is pretty reasonable for that kind of kit. It's
> probably no more than your phone cost your carrier.
>
> If you're eligible for a new subsidized phone, you might see about
> getting one with an antenna plug, then get a glass mount or magnetic
> roof antenna with a cable you can plug into the phone. That should be
> under $50.
>
> R's,
> John
>
I have not seen one from Sprint, besides I use a Palm 755P and will
stick with them since they work fine with my Macs. I saw the new one at
the CES in Las Vegas in January and liked it except they now only offer
it with Windows mobile but am told it will still work with my Macs.
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:21:55 -0700
From: Richard <rng@richbonnie.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: size a major consideration in mobile phone sets
Message-ID: <77r7v4p4ge6tkqaqgs50d7i7hgkt651qsq@4ax.com>
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:50:27 -0400 (EDT), Steven Lichter
>other phone I had
>would switch to Analog and work, but new ones don't.
The analog systems have been shut off for a while (year or maybe two).
My 2004 GM vehicle came equipped with OnStar, which at the time used
only analog cell phone service. I got a notice from OnStar that the
analog service was being shut down per FCC orders. If I wanted to
continue OnStar, I had to have my GM dealer swap out the analog
receiver with a digital one. I chose not to spend the money to make
the switch.
The notice from OnStar said that although digital cell phone service
did exist in 2004, there were competing systems and OnStar didn't know
which would be around long enough to base their system on, so they in
effect defered the decision until the analog got shut off.
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 05:43:48 GMT
From: "Tony Toews \[MVP\]" <ttoews@telusplanet.net>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: size a major consideration in mobile phone sets
Message-ID: <91t7v4ha183t5rnk3ogemnfbdchairg6mf@4ax.com>
Steven Lichter <diespammers@ikillspammers.com> wrote:
>> Wilson makes car amp kits with an external and internal antenna and an
>> amplifier in between. I haven't tried them, but they probably work.
>>
>> See http://www.wilsonelectronics.com/Products.php?Type=A
>>
>I looked at the site and yes it appears these system would work. [The
>prices seem to be very high.]
For what they do though I actually consider the price to be rather low. These are
specialized radio repeaters after all with two sets of radios in them rather than
just the one set as in your cell phone.
Tony
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:50:17 -0700
From: Steven Lichter <diespammers@ikillspammers.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: size a major consideration in mobile phone sets
Message-ID: <uh0Jl.25448$c45.15261@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com>
Tony Toews [MVP] wrote:
> Steven Lichter <diespammers@ikillspammers.com> wrote:
>
>>> Wilson makes car amp kits with an external and internal antenna and an
>>> amplifier in between. I haven't tried them, but they probably work.
>>>
>>> See http://www.wilsonelectronics.com/Products.php?Type=A
>>>
>> I looked at the site and yes it appears these system would work. [The
>> prices seem to be very high.]
>
> For what they do though I actually consider the price to be rather low. These are
> specialized radio repeaters after all with two sets of radios in them rather than
> just the one set as in your cell phone.
>
> Tony
>
I understand that, but I don't need it that much, beside I pulled my old
hand held Ham radio, if an emergency comes up I'm sure I can reach
someone, Last week on a trip to Las Vegas I tested it, I used the
external antenna and an Amp, and reached a base in New York.
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:30:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joseph Singer <joeofseattle@yahoo.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Toll-free number use outside of North America
Message-ID: <658861.14155.qm@web52711.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Bill Horne, present moderator of Telecom Digest wrote:
> Nothing exists in a vacuum. When 800 lines were first introduced,
> consumers liked them because they prevented worries about
> long-distance bills. However, since it's a "called party pays"
> system, the recipient gets the ANI info; over time, systems have
> grown up around that data which make call-center operations so much
> more efficient that the cost of an 800 call is a marginal item to
> any firm which does business over the phone.
Interestingly enough toll-free is taken quite differently in the
Netherlands. Where in the US toll-free is extremely common and rates
for incoming WATS is downright cheap at only a few cents a minute, in
the Netherlands there's a whole different attitude about "freephone"
i.e. toll-free numbers. Some toll-free numbers are only four digits!
If you're in the Netherlands you'll very rarely see toll-free numbers
listed *anywhere* (their 0800 service.) What you *will* see is tonnes
of 0900 pay per call numbers. Call the airline, call wireless
customer service, call the POLICE, call an infomercial on TV, call a
religious call in show and you'll have to go through an 0900 service.
Basically pay for everything with nothing given to call that won't
incur timed charges.
***** Moderator's Note *****
Why is there a per-minute charge to call the police?
Bill Horne
Temporary Moderator
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:37:35 +0000 (UTC)
From: Koos van den Hout <koos+newsposting@kzdoos.xs4all.nl>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Toll-free number use outside of North America
Message-ID: <gt29lf$12e$4@kzdoos.xs4all.nl>
Joseph Singer <joeofseattle@yahoo.com> wrote in <658861.14155.qm@web52711.mail.re2.yahoo.com>:
> If you're in the Netherlands you'll very rarely see toll-free numbers
> listed *anywhere* (their 0800 service.) What you *will* see is tonnes
> of 0900 pay per call numbers. Call the airline, call wireless
> customer service, call the POLICE, call an infomercial on TV, call a
> religious call in show and you'll have to go through an 0900 service.
> Basically pay for everything with nothing given to call that won't
> incur timed charges.
And avoid being in a "N minutes free" package. The lowest possible 0900
rate 'local call rate' is used a lot. It means the receiver of the call
has the extra cool call routing options offered by 0900 *and* avoids
unwanted calls by bored persons.
The pizza-place at the end of our street is part of a chain with a 0900
number. When we call it with a number ported from the other side of town
we get the wrong pizza-place which does not deliver to our street. We
now have the direct number for the place at the end of the street.
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
> Why is there a per-minute charge to call the police?
It's the "not an emergency" number, and the reasoning is that the local
rate will diminish the number of unwanted calls by bored persons. For as
far as I know the emergency number (112) is free but I can't find a
statement to confirm this on the official 112 website.
Koos van den Hout
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 21:58:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Fred Goodwin <fgoodwin@yahoo.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: T-Mobile glorifies vandalism?
Message-ID: <2d395cbd-707d-421a-aa2f-4dc2b6e47e72@a5g2000pre.googlegroups.com>
Have you seen the T-Mobile commercial is which a young lady stops her
car along a rural highway, pulls out a chain saw, and proceeds to cut
down a telephone pole, bringing down the entire line?
Besides the fact that the poles appear to be carrying three-phase
power lines, and I know its just a commercial, but still: I had to
wonder if T-Mobile couldn't have made their point about "cutting the
cord" by having the lady cut the cord of her home phone, rather than
vandalizing the poles of a telco or utility company.
What's next? Blowing up a central office?
***** Moderator's Note *****
That commercial takes the classic approach to marketing: show the
sheep something they're afraid of, and then sell them a product that
lets them pretend they're not.
* Men are afraid of beautiful, self-sufficient women who make their own decisions.
* Women are afraid of power lines
* Everyone is afraid of chain saws
So, by extrapolation, when you sign a T-Mobile contract, you become a
beautiful, self-sufficient electrician and lumberjack with a buzzing,
scary blade.
Bill Horne
Temporary Moderator
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:00:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mark Smith <marklsmith@yahoo.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: T-Mobile glorifies vandalism?
Message-ID: <634979.76888.qm@web65712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
If you have HDTV you can read the lawyer language they added in the
fine print to say that they do not recommend or condone destruction of
property blah blah blah....
Mark L. Smith http://smith.freehosting.net
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:50:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: T-Mobile glorifies vandalism?
Message-ID: <e35b8d53-02a0-4faa-ba8c-1586d4b40b4f@t36g2000prt.googlegroups.com>
On Apr 26, 12:53 pm, Fred Goodwin <fgood...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Besides the fact that the poles appear to be carrying three-phase
> power lines, and I know its just a commercial, but still: I had to
> wonder if T-Mobile couldn't have made their point about "cutting the
> cord" by having the lady cut the cord of her home phone, rather than
> vandalizing the poles of a telco or utility company.
> What's next? Blowing up a central office?
I seriously doubt anyone would be inspired by that commercial to get a
chain saw and cut a utility pole down.
Of course, in a country of 300 million people, anything is possible.
But if someone is so troubled to be inspired to do that, they'd end up
doing something else destructive no matter what inspired them. In
other words the commercial is harmless.
As another poster mentioned they had a disclaimer (could be faintly
seen on an analog TV set). I get a kick out of those "CYA"
disclaimers, often seen on car commercials "do not drive this way/
professional driver on closed course"; like the company will hide
behind it "oh, well, we did warn the public not to do that."
When I was a kid the afterschool show ran Three Stooges shorts. From
time to time the host of the show would remind us kids not to do the
stunts we saw the Stooges do. The show also ran Popeye cartoons. In
hindsight, those cartoons were pretty damn violent.
***** Moderator's Note *****
And all Popeye had to do was "eat" his "spinach" to become strong and
powerful. Funny how he used to pour the "spinach" into his gullet as
if it were a liquid, and then he would beat up the brute who had tried
to take his woman.
Bill Horne
Temporary Moderator
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:50:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Qwest disconnected our 800 number
Message-ID: <a8be1a8e-d103-42ec-a6ad-d19613c31cb0@u9g2000pre.googlegroups.com>
On Apr 26, 12:28 am, Sam Spade <s...@coldmail.com> wrote:
[Clayon:]
> > I used to have Network Plus for my 800 service. They delivered ANI data
> > as CLID data. They followed the proper thinking, since I was paying for
> > the call I sure as hell deserved to know who was calling.
In the old days, the phone co always announced the name--as the caller
gave it to them--for collect calls. I don't know if they would've
given out the number even if asked, though I think it showed up on the
bill.
> And, the calling party "sure as hell" deserves to know you will be
> seeing his number, even though he has elected CLID blocking.
> To be fair to both parties, a no-charge recording should announce to the
> caller that, unless he hangs up immediately, the called party will
> capture his number.
> But, the "telcos" wouldn't like that, and I suspect neither would you.
This illustrates yet another problem in which telephone service is
DIFFERENT than other products and services, and the outside rules
aren't around. That is, if I go into a store to buy a quart of milk,
the price is by law clearly mounted on the shelf. Some advocates feel
the milk carton itself should be marked with the price.
However, if I make a toll call from a phone, I have no idea of what it
will cost, and these days no way to find out. In the old Bell System
you would call the operator, someone would answer promptly, and give
you the rates. But newcomers like MCI didn't have operators so too
bad, and in today's "competitive" world no one wants to provide that
service. Further, they'd rather you not know until it's too late how
much a call cost.
In the old days the rules were simple and easily published in the
phone book. They did not change very often, so once learned they
lasted for many years. But today the rules vary greatly by carrier
and circumstance and are constantly changing. Further, as mentioned,
there is NO easy way to find them out. (Web pages are lousy at this
sort of thing, often out of date or confusing, and no humans to call.)
So today a caller might assume their call was blocked, but they'd have
no way of knowing it can't be blocked. (Please rememer that typical
phone users do not have the time nor interest to study ever changing
policies.)
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 11:49:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: schmerold2@gmail.com
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Qwest disconnected our 800 number
Message-ID: <0d948477-a9e2-4015-8957-1e1e913ac178@l16g2000pra.googlegroups.com>
New question:
How do I "force the 800 number back" ?
Answers to questions:
The 800 number is being forwarded to our landline - the ANI
information is quite interesting, however we have no way to access it.
Perhaps via a voip provider would provide this information at little
additional cost. Need to check into this.
All other systems are working properly, the landline works in and out.
I don't have access to the plant test number, until now we dialed the
number and it was answered by my staff, in other words, "it just
worked"
All bills have been paid, I discussed this with billing last night,
they say I have an $0.82 open credit on the account - so, I am
overpaid.
I spoke with three Qwest people on Friday, each stated it was
disconnected, no one could say why it was disconnected.
Only reason I fear this is due to the wild wild west nature of the
phone business today. used to be, you would call ATT, they would take
care of you, if they violated your rights you could go to the PUC.
Today there are so many carriers and governing authorities, I have no
idea if Qwest will be in business next week, if they fail, who do I
call to secure my numbers etc. Call me paranoid, but I don't like it.
I don't know how other 800 services work, in my case Qwest simply
forwards all calls to a local land line.
Our 800 number isn't frequently used, therefore we didn't know it was
out of service.
Comment regarding "There must ... half the contributors want to go to
war with the other half!"
That is the way of this group - just look at the top post vs bottom
post issue. Finally got so bad that the list software forces bottom
posting.
***** Moderator's Note *****
A couple of added questions from me:
I'm still not clear on the issue you're writing about: you've asked
how to "force" an 800 number back to you, but your other remarks infer
that the line was disconnected. What's the current status of your
800 number? Is some other company using it?
Bill Horne
Temporary Moderator
P.S. Actually, there isn't any list software: it's just me. _I_ force
bottom posting for the sake of clarity and readability.
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:54:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: AT&T doubling 3G capacity
Message-ID: <dc06dfe1-d3fe-4927-9b72-eef370b201c7@p6g2000pre.googlegroups.com>
On Apr 26, 12:19 am, tlvp <PmUiRsGcE.TtHlEv...@att.net> wrote:
> Voice? No. Data: SMS, HTML, WML, FTP, that sort of internet data stuff.
Thanks for the explanation.
But I'm confused--how much web browsing can someone do with a 2"x 3"
screen? Seems the phone and keyboard are simply too tiny to be able
to do any kind of web work. For instance, there's no way in heck I'd
use a cell phone to do these Usenet posts.
***** Moderator's Note *****
There's no way in hell _I_ would use a cellphone to do _anything_ but
talk: trying to read a website on a screen that small is an invitation
to eyestrain. It goes without saying that cellphone vendors are
marketing their "does everything" products to very young consumers
with very good eyesight.
Bill Horne
Temporary Moderator
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:43:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Qwest disconnected our 800 number
Message-ID: <1210e93b-6201-456f-ae14-05033eb5cc66@d2g2000pra.googlegroups.com>
On Apr 25, 3:45 pm, T <kd1s.nos...@cox.nospam.net> wrote:
> I used to have Network Plus for my 800 service. They delivered ANI data
> as CLID data. They followed the proper thinking, since I was paying for
> the call I sure as hell deserved to know who was calling.
800 service has been around for many years. Was the ANI always
provided to 800 businesses? Back in the early days of 800 service ANI
wasn't universal--some exchanges still had ONI. I can't believe
they'd bother with ONI on a toll free call.
When did ANI become available for 800 customers?
Indeed, I recall having problems dialing an 800 number, so instead of
1+ I dialed 0+. The equipment didn't route me to an operator, but
just put the call straight through (which meant for me the same
problem). It did likewise with 555 directory assistance since that
was a free call back then.
I don't know what showed up on the bill, but in Enterprise service
days, the operator would not announce the caller, just put the all
through and reverse the charges without asking.
As an aside, there is one big weakness about identifying specific
customers by their ANI: customers are not always calling from their
home phone. Many customers could be calling from their work phone, a
pay phone, a neighbor's house, a motel, or of course their cell phone.
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