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The Telecom Digest for May 5, 2012
Volume 31 : Issue 110 : "text" Format
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Re: Judge: An IP-Address Doesn't Identify a Person (or BitTorrent Pirate)(Dave Garland)
Re: Judge: An IP-Address Doesn't Identify a Person (or BitTorrent Pirate)(Doug McIntyre)

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Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 23:12:50 -0500
From: Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re:  Judge: An IP-Address Doesn't Identify a Person  (or BitTorrent  Pirate)
Message-ID: <4FA35742.3070607@wizinfo.com>

On 5/3/2012 9:21 PM, Barry Margolin wrote:
> In article <p0624081dcbc8340640e3@[10.0.1.2]>,
>  Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> wrote:
>> A landmark ruling in one of the many mass-BitTorrent lawsuits in the 
>> US has suffered a severe blow to a thus far lucrative business. Among 
>> other things, New York Judge Gary Brown explains in great detail why 
>> an IP-address is not sufficient evidence to identify copyright 
>> infringers. According to the Judge this lack of specific evidence 
>> means that many alleged BitTorrent pirates have been wrongfully 
>> accused by copyright holders. 
> 
> I wonder how this differs from the precedent of traffic cameras that 
> take pictures of the license plates of cars that run red lights, and 
> then a ticket is mailed to the registrant of the license plate?  They 
> could have let a friend of family member borrow the car.
> 

In Minnesota, it doesn't differ.  My city installed a bunch of red
light cameras, and they're now standing idle due to the fact that no
one could testify under oath that the driver was the owner of the car.

Dave




Date: 04 May 2012 04:53:37 GMT
From: Doug McIntyre <merlyn@geeks.org>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Judge: An IP-Address Doesn't Identify a Person  (or BitTorrent Pirate)
Message-ID: <4fa360d1$0$96700$8046368a@newsreader.iphouse.net>

Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> writes:
>In article <p0624081dcbc8340640e3@[10.0.1.2]>,
> Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> wrote:

>> Judge: An IP-Address Doesn't Identify a Person (or BitTorrent Pirate)
>> 
>> A landmark ruling in one of the many mass-BitTorrent lawsuits in the 
>> US has suffered a severe blow to a thus far lucrative business. Among 
>> other things, New York Judge Gary Brown explains in great detail why 
>> an IP-address is not sufficient evidence to identify copyright 
>> infringers. According to the Judge this lack of specific evidence 
>> means that many alleged BitTorrent pirates have been wrongfully 
>> accused by copyright holders. 

>I wonder how this differs from the precedent of traffic cameras that 
>take pictures of the license plates of cars that run red lights, and 
>then a ticket is mailed to the registrant of the license plate?  They 
>could have let a friend of family member borrow the car.

Which is exactly the reasoning used to abolish the use of red-light
cameras in Minneapolis, Minnesota a few years back. 






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