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Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 19:01:01 -0400
From: "AJB Consulting" <ajbcs@frontier.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Does FiOS support rotary phones?
Message-ID: <000501cbf189$db2d6530$01fea8c0@dell8100>
Our esteemed moderator wrote:
>***** Moderator's Note *****
>AFAIK, FiOS terminates the "fiber" portion of the path at a local CEV,
>and the physical layer is Coaxial cable from there to the homes. That,
>at least, is the way my sister's FiOS install happened, and I don't
>think the CEV equipment is powered from the CO. That means that FiOS
>is subject to the same limits as any SLC-served POTS line.
>FWIW. YMMV. My 2 cents.
>Bill Horne
>Moderator
Bill, what you described sounds more like the AT&T U-verse system.
Every FiOS install I have ever seen uses an ONT [Optical Network
Termination] in the subscriber's home. The acronym dissects [supposedly]
to "Fiber In Off the Street," after all... Or else it is named after
a parish in Northern Spain. ;)
Jim
**************************************************
Speaking from a secure undisclosed location.
***** Moderator's Note *****
I suppose it's possible that the cable which came in from the street
was, in fact, a fiber-optic cable: the Verizon tech told me it was
coaxial, but that might be a misnomer.
The tech told me that the cable used "Moca" format, and when I asked
how it compared to Docsis, he just said "It's better".
I'll leave it to the experts to explain my confusion away.
--
Bill Horne
Moderator
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 20:23:04 -0500
From: Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Does FiOS support rotary phones?
Message-ID: <in8i66$aio$1@dont-email.me>
On 4/2/2011 3:44 PM, Sam Spade wrote:
> Gary wrote:
>> "AJB Consulting" wrote in message
>> news:000a01cbf06f$e2a98e30$01fea8c0@dell8100...
>>
>>>
>>> So does the FiOS ONT support rotary-dial phones? That is the million
>>> dollar question, and the only way to answer it is to get your mitts on
>>> the manufacturer's documentation for the ONT.
>>
>>
>> There's one other way; experimentation! I've got FiOS with a
>> Tellabs ONT on the wall. I've got a 500 set in a box. I took the
>> 500 set out of the box, plugged it into one of my phone jacks.
>> Guess what? I got dial tone and was able to actually dial the
>> phone. In other words, it worked.
>>
>> -Gary
>>
>
> I just tried an old DP phone on my Vonage service. It works fine. My
> guess is that most adapters support DP.
>
My Cisco SPA2102 just gives a fast busy after about three pulse
digits, and I don't find the phrase "pulse dial" in the Admin manual
or any relevant settings in the config screens (for what that's worth,
a lot of the settings I don't have any clue what they do). Of course,
this isn't FiOS, but clearly it's up to the adapter to provide (or
not) the support for DP.
Dave
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 22:18:42 -0400
From: "Gary" <bogus-email@hotmail.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Does FiOS support rotary phones?
Message-ID: <in8lea$kaq$1@dont-email.me>
***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> AFAIK, FiOS terminates the "fiber" portion of the path at a local CEV,
> and the physical layer is Coaxial cable from there to the homes. That,
> at least, is the way my sister's FiOS install happened, and I don't
> think the CEV equipment is powered from the CO. That means that FiOS
> is subject to the same limits as any SLC-served POTS line.
That seems odd to me. Every SFU (single family unit) FiOS install I've seen
here in the south eastern PA and NJ areas has fiber directly to the premise.
A battery backed up ONT:SFU is installed at the premise and provides POTS,
Ethernet and coax (video) to the home. The battery actually belongs to the
subscriber, ridding Verizon of the cost of battery maintenance.
For MDU (multiple dwelling units), otherwise know as apartments, condos, or
townhomes; a single ONT:MDU servers multiple homes (dwelling units). The
connection from the ONT to the home is usually copper or coax. The ONT:MDU
is typically installed in the telco or utility room if the building has one
or outside near the old POTS demarc.
I've not seen or heard of a Verizon FiOS installation that did not bring
fiber to the premise. Fiber to the curb, neighborhood or node is done by
other companies (Comcast and AT&T are a couple of big ones), but not Verizon
as far as I'm aware. Note that "FiOS" is Verizon's brand name for PON, so
if your sister has a service from someone other than Verizon, it isn't FiOS
just like Scott Tissues aren't Kleenex. That might explain it.
-Gary
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2011 08:02:37 -0600
From: Fred Atkinson <fatkinson.remove-this@and-this-too.mishmash.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject:VOIP Technical Support or lack thereof!
Message-ID: <20110403140344.43709.qmail@gal.iecc.com>
Folks,
About six months to a year ago, I switched my VOIP service over to
Phone Power.
At first, their service was just great. After several months, I
started having quality problems.
They told me they'd need to make some changes on my router. But
that came to a halt when they discovered I had a Cisco 871 SOHO
router on my home network.
First, they told me get a different router. I told them that Cisco
was the best routing hardware on the market and there was no way I
was swapping it for another brand.
Now, they are laying it on me to determine what changes need to be
made. As I don't currently have a Smartnet contract in place, I
don't have any other place to get help.
I told them that if they'd give me the steps to configure it that
I'd type them in for them. But they refused to take it any further.
I complained to the salesman that sold me the service (he's an
independent sales person who has been on Telecom Digest in the past)
and he called them.
In response, they are telling me that I have to resolve this issue
with the router.
If it were some off brand router, I'd understand. But when they
don't support you when you use top of the line equipment, they are
not providing acceptable support IMHO.
All Cisco routers configure the same way. So if they solved it for
one customer, they solve it for all.
Were I on their technical support, I'd involve whomever I needed to
implement a solution. I wouldn't allow my company to be embarrassed
by such low level technical support.
The problems I am having with their service include 'high and dries'
when I dial a number (I have to hang up and dial it again and
sometimes more than once) and garbled speech at times (people
starting to sound a little like Donald Duck while I am on the line).
I've been waiting for a resolution for months. So I guess that
unless a solution is found that I'll be moving to another provider.
Regards,
Fred
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2011 17:20:50 -0400
From: "Pete Cresswell" <x@y.Invalid.telecom-digest.org>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re:VOIP Technical Support or lack thereof!
Message-ID: <g1php6til3eesafa9vq16vvri4lfb6h8j2@4ax.com>
Per Fred Atkinson:
>So I guess that unless a solution is found that I'll be moving to
>another provider.
This is spoken as a clueless noob.
Having said that, my experience with CallCentric.com has been
good so far.
- Good support for my gateway's setup on their web pages.
- Prompt response to a request for them to spoof my landline
CallerID.
- Very convenient auto-refresh of prepaid minutes.
Now that I've written this, service will probably go South
tomorrow..... but right now and over the past several months,
it's been all I could ask for.
--
PeteCresswell
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:51:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Wes Leatherock <wleathus@yahoo.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Does FiOS support rotary phones?
Message-ID: <901697.33939.qm@web111722.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
--- On Fri, 4/1/11, Gary <bogus-email@hotmail.com> wrote:
> There's one other way; experimentation! I've got FiOS with a
> Tellabs ONT on the wall. I've got a 500 set in a box. I took the
> 500 set out of the box, plugged it into one of my phone jacks.
> Guess what? I got dial tone and was able to actually dial the
> phone. In other words, it worked. -Gary
I wondered about that at the beginning. I understood the original
poster as saying it was a neighbor who was asking and that rotary-dial
500 sets were handy, so why not take one over to his neighbor's and
try it?
Wes Leatherock
wleathus@yahoo.com
wesrock@aol.com
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:01:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Wes Leatherock <wleathus@yahoo.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Does FiOS support rotary phones?
Message-ID: <678563.42958.qm@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
--- On Sat, 4/2/11, AJB Consulting <ajbcs@frontier.com> wrote:
> Actually, I am not surprised a bit - Tellabs is an "old-school"
> Telecom company. I would not be surprised if the Alcatel/Lucent
> ONT's also support pulse dialing. Verizon has been looking to an
> all-fiber network for some time, and they probably want the option
> of serving every customer in some areas with FiOS, including the
> ubiquitous "little old lady with the same phone she has had [rented]
> since 1955."
My wife and I may be a little old man and lady, but we have two
so-called "decorator" phones that WE used to provide innards for. We
have them not because we've always had them but because of their
decorative aspect as part of the decor. They have rotary
dials--anything else would be an anachronism.
Oh, yes, we have several T-T phones, too--on the same line. We are AT&T
customers.
Wes Leatherock
wleathus@yahoo.com
wesrock@aol.com
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 22:14:45 +0000 (UTC)
From: David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: CO technology query -- line cards
Message-ID: <in874l$825$1@reader1.panix.com>
Howard Eisenhauer <howarde@NOSPAMhfx.eastlink.ca> writes:
>What kind of CO are you on?
...
>It may well be that one vendor has this beasty but others don't.
True. I was thinking Lucent since a nearby existing SLC is
same, off a 5ESS ORM. But it could be Verizontal would install
Brand X Y or Z instead. [I've not seen same; only the classic
Lucents.]
We were tipped about the card I described was described by a retiree.
So we know She buys them, or did...we just don't know the manufacturer.
Another source has pointed me to http://www.ciena.com/products/cnx-5/
as one flavor.
--
A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 18:52:37 -0400
From: "Pete Cresswell" <x@y.Invalid.telecom-digest.org>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Label for PoE-powered device?
Message-ID: <64afp65d4iopjv5noj8acvd7a8q2tcoc95@4ax.com>
Per Doug McIntyre:
>I've got ... IP cameras all deployed.
I'm currently shopping.
Is there a non-PTZ IP camera that's especially near-and-dear to
your heart?
--
PeteCresswell
***** Moderator's Note *****
Pete, please contact me off-list. Bill at horne dot net.
Bill Horne
Moderator
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 18:53:35 -0400
From: "Pete Cresswell" <x@y.Invalid.telecom-digest.org>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: No-Call List Enforcement In USA: Dead or Dying?
Message-ID: <k6afp65o653l8uj4a97ekp96dbuh9bnfn4@4ax.com>
Per Sam Spade:
>>
>If you believe he is doing anything other than grandstanding...well,
>enjoy. The FTC doesn't have the staff to change anything.
That kind of pops my little bubble....
But, upon reflection, I have to say it sounds reasonable.
--
PeteCresswell
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