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Message Digest Volume 29 : Issue 65 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Clueless Woman Calls Tech Show When Her Stolen Wi-Fi Disappears Re: Clueless Woman Calls Tech Show When Her Stolen Wi-Fi Disappears Re: Clueless Woman Calls Tech Show When Her Stolen Wi-Fi Disappears Re: Clueless Woman Calls Tech Show When Her Stolen Wi-Fi Disappears Re: Clueless Woman Calls Tech Show When Her Stolen Wi-Fi Disappears Re: It's that time again in North America iPad Available in US on April 3 Re: iPad Available in US on April 3 Apple Sues HTC for Patent Infringement Re: Loma Linda California Now Selling 911 Insurance ====== 28 years of TELECOM Digest -- Founded August 21, 1981 ====== Telecom and VOIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) Digest for the Internet. All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. =========================== Addresses herein are not to be added to any mailing list, nor to be sold or given away without explicit written consent. Chain letters, viruses, porn, spam, and miscellaneous junk are definitely unwelcome. We must fight spam for the same reason we fight crime: not because we are naive enough to believe that we will ever stamp it out, but because we do not want the kind of world that results when no one stands against crime. Geoffrey Welsh =========================== See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer, and other stuff of interest. Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 01:15:49 -0800 From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Clueless Woman Calls Tech Show When Her Stolen Wi-Fi Disappears Message-ID: <9Z3kn.244854$OX4.137220@newsfe25.iad> tlvp wrote: > On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 12:11:17 -0500, Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com> > wrote: > >> ... [long snip] ... >> ...have a few of those old Radio Shack CID boxes that allows you to >> block calls, plus I bought one of the new ones which allow you to >> program what numbers will even ring the phone, I'm in the process of >> programming the numbers that I want to get through, any not listed >> will not even ring the phones. > > > That won't work for this household, as we get calls occasionally from > relatives abroad; these don't send any sort of number identification, > and we certainly don't want to have ringing disabled for such calls. > > Cheers, -- tlvp > - - > Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP > > > ***** Moderator's Note ***** > > What we need is a combined cross-platform solution. Let's hook up an > Internet server with a "port knocking" access code, and use it to > enable your incoming phone line. If someone overseas wants to talk > with you, they just access the right port on your server, and then > they get - oh, say ten minutes? - to make the call. > > Patent Pending, of course: it's my idea, and you have to pay me for > it. ;-) > > Bill Horne > Moderator > SBC's network-based Privacy Manager has 10 programmable access codes. Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 10:34:39 -0800 From: Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Clueless Woman Calls Tech Show When Her Stolen Wi-Fi Disappears Message-ID: <hmris6$tb2$1@news.eternal-september.org> Sam Spade wrote: > tlvp wrote: >> On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 12:11:17 -0500, Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com> >> wrote: >> >>> ... [long snip] ... >>> ...have a few of those old Radio Shack CID boxes that allows you to >>> block calls, plus I bought one of the new ones which allow you to >>> program what numbers will even ring the phone, I'm in the process of >>> programming the numbers that I want to get through, any not listed >>> will not even ring the phones. >> >> >> That won't work for this household, as we get calls occasionally from >> relatives abroad; these don't send any sort of number identification, >> and we certainly don't want to have ringing disabled for such calls. >> >> Cheers, -- tlvp >> - - >> Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP >> >> >> ***** Moderator's Note ***** >> >> What we need is a combined cross-platform solution. Let's hook up an >> Internet server with a "port knocking" access code, and use it to >> enable your incoming phone line. If someone overseas wants to talk >> with you, they just access the right port on your server, and then >> they get - oh, say ten minutes? - to make the call. >> >> Patent Pending, of course: it's my idea, and you have to pay me for >> it. ;-) > SBC's network-based Privacy Manager has 10 programmable access codes. I have Privacy Manager and it allows me to block any calls that have no CID, and friends are given codes to get through, but when I try to block a number not served by my office it will not work. -- The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today? (c) 2010 I Kill Spammers, Inc., A Rot in Hell. Co. Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 01:18:19 -0800 From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Clueless Woman Calls Tech Show When Her Stolen Wi-Fi Disappears Message-ID: <v%3kn.244855$OX4.93451@newsfe25.iad> > ***** Moderator's Note ***** > > Caller ID can be blocked on incoming calls as well, but you have to > pay for Three-party conference capability in order to use it. I > decided to just keep it simple. > > Bill Horne > Moderator > Don't you mean call waiting can be blocked on incoming calls with three-way calling? Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 08:31:41 -0600 From: Frank Stearns <franks.pacifier.com@pacifier.net> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Clueless Woman Calls Tech Show When Her Stolen Wi-Fi Disappears Message-ID: <3-GdnYJPg_ZQiAzWnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@posted.palinacquisition> tlvp <tPlOvUpBErLeLsEs@hotmail.com> writes: >On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:06:59 -0500, PV <pv+usenet@pobox.com> wrote: snips >> She thought she was entitled to steal. A leech, not clueless. * >***** Moderator's Note ***** >Well, I've made my position clear already. Using a resource that the >owner chooses not to safeguard is, to my mind, "acceptable use". Hmm. Where would you draw the line? How about an unguarded donation basket at a church function? Frank -- ***** Moderator's Note ***** I draw the line at falling for so simplistic an argument. ;-) Bill Horne Moderator Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:16:03 -0600 From: Frank Stearns <franks.pacifier.com@pacifier.net> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Clueless Woman Calls Tech Show When Her Stolen Wi-Fi Disappears Message-ID: <DMadnSwZbJbOoQzWnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@posted.palinacquisition> Frank Stearns <franks.pacifier.com@pacifier.net> writes: >tlvp <tPlOvUpBErLeLsEs@hotmail.com> writes: >>On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:06:59 -0500, PV <pv+usenet@pobox.com> wrote: >snips >>> She thought she was entitled to steal. A leech, not clueless. * >>***** Moderator's Note ***** >> Well, I've made my position clear already. Using a resource that >> the owner chooses not to safeguard is, to my mind, "acceptable >> use". > Hmm. Where would you draw the line? How about an unguarded donation > basket at a church function? > Frank >***** Moderator's Note ***** > I draw the line at falling for so simplistic an argument. ;-) Fair enough. If the owner has made a conscious, informed decision not to secure their node, then I am probably with you, but still with reservations, because I'd like to close the loop by then asking them: "are you simply being very generous and sharing your network asset with any and all who wish to use it?" If their answer is "yes," then I'm with you, 100%. But if there's still some confusion, or perhaps something else going on with this individual, I'd hesitate. How about this: it's your wifi node. Let's say you are a good person but have little or no knowledge of such technical things, and are somewhat baffled by the user guide recommendations to secure your node. (Simple for you or me, possibly cryptic to others.) Because you're not sure, you've "chosen" to leave things are they are, perhaps fearful that you'll break something if you tinker with the settings. (And for many of us, savvy or not, tinkering with some computers can cause unwanted things to happen, perhaps because the OS is poorly designed.) So let's say one or more people are feasting off your ignorance. Wouldn't it be nice if someone pointed this out to you so that you could make an informed decision? Would that not be the neighborly thing for someone to do for you? <w> Frank ***** Moderator's Note ***** "Feasting" isn't a word I'd choose to use when someone is making a resource available out of ignorance: it implies I'm getting more than my share to the detriment of another. "Sharing" would be a better choice; "sampling" better still. IANALB I understand that, in general, the law feels that property should be used rather than left idle, and that philosophy is embodied in the Common Law, by such things as the right to hunt on non-posted land. The right of Adverse Possession, moreover, embodies the belief that property must be defended if it is to be held apart from the public, so I think there is a basis for my belief that WiFi hotspots are, when not set up to deny access to others, part of the public commons of information. There is ample precedent for my assumption that such Access Points may be used by the public: Roofnet, for example, depends on a wide network of "privately owned" Internet access portals being made available to others so as to benefit the community. If I benefitted from a public WiFi network, I would feel obligated to share my Internet connection with others, since reciprocity is at the core of any arrangement for public use of resources; I would not, however, advocate denying Roofnet OR ANY OPEN WiFi HOTSPOT to students who can't afford a Cable or DSL connection, because I benefit, even if indirectly, from their use of the Internet. There are some things that can be shared without detriment to their owners, and some that can't, and many that are in between. Fallow land on which game can be taken for food is one example of the first, a properly maintained automobile is an example of the second, and seashore of the third. Over time, our society has arrived at a consensus as to which things are in which category, and I feel that open WiFi will be placed in the first when all is said and done. If I don't put "No hunting" signs on my land, I'm making a choice, and it doesn't matter if I'm doing it with full awareness or without: I've made a choice not to do it, or I've made a choice to be ignorant. The result is the same. Bill Horne Moderator Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 19:13:16 -0600 From: Michael Grigoni <michael.grigoni@cybertheque.org> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: It's that time again in North America Message-ID: <4B91AC2C.6090607@cybertheque.org> > On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 23:28:29 -0500, Joseph Singer <joeofseattle@yahoo.com> > wrote: >> >> There still are a few telephone numbers where you can get the time >> of day (and sometimes local temperature and even a short weather >> forecast.) The numbers I have are the following: <snip> Duluth MN (since the 1960s at least): 218-727-9000 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 23:01:03 -0500 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: iPad Available in US on April 3 Message-ID: <p062408dbc7b78398cbf8@[10.0.1.4]> iPad Available in US on April 3 Pre-Order on March 12 CUPERTINO, California-March 5, 2010-Apple today announced that its magical and revolutionary iPad will be available in the US on Saturday, April 3, for Wi-Fi models and in late April for Wi-Fi + 3G models. In addition, all models of iPad will be available in Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Spain, Switzerland and the UK in late April. Beginning a week from today, on March 12, US customers can pre-order both Wi-Fi and Wi-Fi + 3G models from Apple's online store (www.apple.com) or reserve a Wi-Fi model to pick up on Saturday, April 3, at an Apple retail store. ... http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/03/05ipad.html ***** Moderator's Note ***** Here's a great illustration of how hard it is to draw a line between "Telecommunications" and "Whatever the hell this new thing is". I read the blurb on Apple's web site, searched around Google for ten minutes, and found out I need a user ID to search the "App" store before I gave up and admitted that I STILL don't know if this thing is a phone or could be used as a phone with the right "App" or might be part of an Asterisk system with the right software - or is just another expensive and annoying toy for Yuppies to display during corporate meetings. Bill Horne Moderator Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:26:36 -0800 From: Thad Floryan <thad@thadlabs.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: iPad Available in US on April 3 Message-ID: <4B91E78C.30005@thadlabs.com> > [...] > ***** Moderator's Note ***** > > Here's a great illustration of how hard it is to draw a line between > "Telecommunications" and "Whatever the hell this new thing is". I read > the blurb on Apple's web site, searched around Google for ten minutes, > and found out I need a user ID to search the "App" store before I gave > up and admitted that I STILL don't know if this thing is a phone or > could be used as a phone with the right "App" or might be part of an > Asterisk system with the right software - or is just another expensive > and annoying toy for Yuppies to display during corporate meetings. Seems like the latter to me. :-) Looking at these 2 pages: http://www.apple.com/ipad/ http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/ it's too large to hold like a phone so I suppose one must use a Bluetooth headset if this device is really capable of operating as a cellphone. At Height: 9.56 inches (242.8 mm) Width: 7.47 inches (189.7 mm) Depth: 0.5 inch (13.4 mm) Weight: 1.5 pounds (0.68 kg) Wi-Fi model;1.6 pounds (0.73 kg) Wi-Fi+3G it's too big for a belt holster or a shirt/trouser pocket. Perhaps with a neck strap one could dangle it like like a necklace or with Velcro one could attach it to a hat for transport. It looks like it really needs a wrist strap so one doesn't drop and break it as I've seen happen to everyone I know who has/had an iPhone. I also don't understand the Windows 7/Vista/XP aspect of it as detailed on the "specs" URL (above) -- does one have to attach the iPad to a PC in order to do anything with it over USB? Is the iPad solely a conduit to iTunes for a PC? It's not clear what it does. As much as I like gadgets, the iPad doesn't look like something I'd be buying. Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 23:01:03 -0500 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Apple Sues HTC for Patent Infringement Message-ID: <p062408dac7b78342b7c3@[10.0.1.4]> Apple Sues HTC for Patent Infringement CUPERTINO, California-March 2, 2010-Apple today filed a lawsuit against HTC for infringing on 20 Apple patents related to the iPhone's user interface, underlying architecture and hardware. The lawsuit was filed concurrently with the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC) and in U.S. District Court in Delaware. ... http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/03/02patents.html Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 17:09:47 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Lanciani <ddl@danlan.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Loma Linda California Now Selling 911 Insurance Message-ID: <201003052209.RAA20946@ss10.danlan.com> e.tappert.spamnot@worldnet.att.net (Eric Tappert) wrote: |The deal is that you donate a subscription fee (about $35-50 per year |depending on how many are in the family) and if you need them they'll |settle for whatever your insurance company pays and they don't bill |you for the rest. Not a subscriber? Then you get a bill for the |difference between the insurance payment and their real bill. Can they do this if your insurer is Medicare? Wesrock@aol.com wrote: |However, most municipalities in the Oklahoma City metropolitan area |now have a plan where for a fee billed on your water/sewer bill, |there is no charge for ambulance service. In some of the |municipalities the fee is optional, in others it is mandatory, as is |the case in my municipality. The ambulance service, set up as a |governmental authority, still bills your insurance company, but eats |any amount beyond that if you're enrolled in the plan. The fee is |something less than $10 a month, as I recall. Similar question here. If they have an arrangement to bill Medicare don't they have to agree to accept Medicare's prices? If they don't have an arrangement to bill Medicare then in the case where the victim had paid the fee how do they get anything? Dan Lanciani ddl@danlan.*com TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly to telecom- munications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to Usenet, where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Bill Horne. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. 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