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Re: [NFP] Hayes Commands (topic changed)
Re: Hayes Commands (topic changed)
Re: at&t vs. Verizon TV ad campaign?
Re: at&t vs. Verizon TV ad campaign?
Re: at&t vs. Verizon TV ad campaign?
Re: at&t vs. Verizon TV ad campaign?
Re: dialing plans, was at&t vs. Verizon TV ad campaign?
Re: at&t vs. Verizon TV ad campaign?
Re:Some more sites for telephone historians
Re: OT: NASA, Bell Labs, NSA, and the Voynich Manuscript
Re: OT: NASA, Bell Labs, NSA, and the Voynich Manuscript
Re: OT: NASA, Bell Labs, NSA, and the Voynich Manuscript
Where to buy 5-pr cable in small quantity (100')?
Re: Where to buy 5-pr cable in small quantity (100')?
Re: Some more sites for telephone historians
Re: at&t vs. Verizon TV ad campaign?
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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:11:33 -0800
From: "Jack Myers" <jmyers@remove.n6wuz.net>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: [NFP] Hayes Commands (topic changed)
Message-ID: <lvmp37-u9n.ln1@n6wuz.net>
> >***** Moderator's Note *****
> The point is that the circuit uses extremely simple modems, ...
I'm reminded of the sysadmin who connected a 300 bps glass teletype in
Sacramento to a VAX in Palo Alto using a 4-wire data-grade circuit -
RS232 Transmit Data and Signal Ground connected to the talk channel;
Receive Data and Ground to the listen channel. After all 300 is
within the specified passband. True story.
Maybe Ma Bell has fixed that bug by now ;-)
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:37:15 -0500
From: Bill Horne <bill@horneQRM.net>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Hayes Commands (topic changed)
Message-ID: <3oOdnewdI5JnsvbWnZ2dnUVZ_rBi4p2d@speakeasy.net>
On 2/3/2010 9:11 PM, Jack Myers wrote:
>>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
>> The point is that the circuit uses extremely simple modems, ...
>
> I'm reminded of the sysadmin who connected a 300 bps glass teletype in
> Sacramento to a VAX in Palo Alto using a 4-wire data-grade circuit -
> RS232 Transmit Data and Signal Ground connected to the talk channel;
> Receive Data and Ground to the listen channel. After all 300 is
> within the specified passband. True story.
>
> Maybe Ma Bell has fixed that bug by now ;-)
I apologize to Jack Myers: I wasn't supposed to publish his reply.
Bill Horne
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 01:44:04 -0800
From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: at&t vs. Verizon TV ad campaign?
Message-ID: <EFwan.41251$BV.22934@newsfe07.iad>
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> Most seniors today have been exposed to telephones virtually their
> entire lives, so using them is a long ingrained habit. Seniors with
> early-to-middle dementia continue to use the phone reasonably well,
> even remembering the new mandatory 10 digit dialing. As the
> dementia advanced they would have trouble making or even receiving
> calls (not understanding what the ringing of phone meant), however,
> when given the handset they knew what it was for and how to talk on
> it.
Some of us still have 7 digit dialing in parts of California.
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:31:43 -0500 (EST)
From: "Julian Thomas" <jt@jt-mj.net>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: at&t vs. Verizon TV ad campaign?
Message-ID: <100.c0aa08008f126b4b.005@jt-mj.net>
On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 01:44:04 -0800 Sam Spade wrote:
>
> Some of us still have 7 digit dialing in parts of California.
... and in most other parts of the country
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:36:11 -0800 (PST)
From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: at&t vs. Verizon TV ad campaign?
Message-ID: <a18da8b4-6566-47b2-a552-b41d0bfd46dc@d27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
On Feb 4, 4:44 am, Sam Spade <s...@coldmail.com> wrote:
> Some of us still have 7 digit dialing in parts of California.
New Jersey has 7 digit dialing, though one can dial 10 digits and the
call will still go through. Ironically, some area codes in NJ are big
enough to cross a LATA so a 7 digit number could be a full toll call,
yet a 10 digit number to a nearby area code could be a local call. So
it goes.
Are there any places left in North America that still allow only 5
digit dialing?
I have no idea of how many or few places have gone to mandatory 10
digits in North America today. I suspect in terms of population
density it's quite high while in terms of land area it's rather low.
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:07:10 -0800
From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: at&t vs. Verizon TV ad campaign?
Message-ID: <i3Lan.14591$4p5.13945@newsfe22.iad>
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Feb 4, 4:44 am, Sam Spade <s...@coldmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Some of us still have 7 digit dialing in parts of California.
>
>
> New Jersey has 7 digit dialing, though one can dial 10 digits and the
> call will still go through. Ironically, some area codes in NJ are big
> enough to cross a LATA so a 7 digit number could be a full toll call,
> yet a 10 digit number to a nearby area code could be a local call. So
> it goes.
>
> Are there any places left in North America that still allow only 5
> digit dialing?
>
> I have no idea of how many or few places have gone to mandatory 10
> digits in North America today. I suspect in terms of population
> density it's quite high while in terms of land area it's rather low.
Whenever a NPA has an overlay then 10 digit dialing is mandatory. In
my area code (949) 10 digit is permissive (well, actually 11 digit;
i.e. 1+) because we do not have an overlay area code.
Somehow, I doubt 5 digit dialing would still be permitted, although it
certainly could be permitted with the end office digital switches of
today. In fact 4 digit dialing could be permitted in a small town.
Either inter-digit timeout or the "#" delimiter could resolve the
ambiguity. But, would any LEC technical administrator want this?
Date: 5 Feb 2010 00:25:52 -0000
From: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: dialing plans, was at&t vs. Verizon TV ad campaign?
Message-ID: <20100205002552.68906.qmail@simone.iecc.com>
>New Jersey has 7 digit dialing
Well, actually, not really. You must live in south or west Jersey.
AC 609, 908, and 856 are not overlaid and still have 7D dialing within
the NPA. 201/551, 862/973, and 732/848 are overlaid and require 10D
or 1+10D.
> Ironically, some area codes in NJ are big enough to cross a LATA so
> a 7 digit number could be a full toll call,
Some -> one, A/C 609. The little part of 609 along the coast from
south of Toms River to Cape May is a separate LATA from the rest of
609 and 856. We have a beach house in LBI so it's a 7D inter-LATA
toll call to my father's house in Princeton.
> Are there any places left in North America that still allow only 5
> digit dialing?
Only PBXes.
> I have no idea of how many or few places have gone to mandatory 10
> digits in North America today. I suspect in terms of population
> density it's quite high while in terms of land area it's rather low.
See this handy chart from NANPA.
http://www.nanpa.com/nas/public/npasRequiring10DigitReport.do?method=displayNpasRequiring10DigitReport
R's,
John
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 19:33:27 EST
From: Wesrock@aol.com
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: at&t vs. Verizon TV ad campaign?
Message-ID: <19226.49173c33.389cc157@aol.com>
In a message dated 2/4/2010 1:14:50 PM Central Standard Time,
sam@coldmail.com writes
> Some of us still have 7 digit dialing in parts of California.
Oklahoma City still has 7-digit dialing. The area code was split several
years ago with the new area code outside the metro area.
The Oklahoma Corporation Commission is apparently about to mandate an
overlay for the Tulsa metropolitan area, which will mean 10-digit dialing will
be mandatory in the entire 918 area code.
Wes Leatherock
wesrock@aol.com
wleathus@yahoo.com
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 01:50:58 -0800
From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re:Some more sites for telephone historians
Message-ID: <6Mwan.49135$_96.6909@newsfe02.iad>
Bill Horne wrote:
> Here are a couple of sites that have some good information for historians:
>
> The Bruce Crawford Memorial Switching Documentation Library -
> http://www.switchersquarterly.org/library.htm
>
> The TCI Library, which has a lot of BSPs -
> http://www.telephonecollectors.org/DocumentLibrary/index.htm
>
> Bill Horne
>
> (Filter QRM for direct replies)
>
Interesting sites!
My dentist is still using a 25-pair (1A or 1A2) key system installed
by Pacific Bell probably in the late 1970s. I asked his daughter who
owned the equipment today. She thought her dad does, but didn't know
for sure. I hope he isn't still paying at&t for monthly rental.
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 08:27:38 -0800
From: Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: OT: NASA, Bell Labs, NSA, and the Voynich Manuscript
Message-ID: <hkeshu$tla$1@news.eternal-september.org>
T wrote:
> In article <3HY9n.4878$4N4.1503@newsfe24.iad>, sam@coldmail.com says...
>> Steven wrote:
>>> David Clayton wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:07:02 -0600, Telecom Digest Moderator wrote:
>>>> .......
>>>>
>>>>> Help! I'm drowning in te....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> @@@Carrier Lost
>>>>
>>>> And how many Internet kiddies today have no idea what used to
>>>> pump out of old voice band modems or what the Hayes "AT" control
>>>> set is (was?)....... >>>>
>>>
>>> I have a friend that still used dial-up, she is in a digital black
>>> hole.
>>
>> Some of us also travel to those digital holes. That's why a
>> maintain a Juno dial-up account. >>
>>
>> Having said that, between the embedded software modems in most
>> laptops these days, and the good software of Juno or Earthlink, the
>> AT command set is unseen and unknown by today's dial-up subscriber.
>
>
> I have NEVER used the modem port on my laptop. Nor have I used the
> wired ethernet connector when on the road. Everyplace I've gone has
> had WiFi available so I just use that.
>
> Even when I was in Elizabeth City, NC there's a cafe there called
> Muddy Waters - they had WiFi available.
The area I am talking about is pretty remote, the choices are
dial-up,and satellite, I talked to a friend with AT&T who is over DSL
and he said they have no plans for DSL, but U-verse is planned in most
of the area, but some people still will not be able to get it.
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:44:27 -0800
From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: OT: NASA, Bell Labs, NSA, and the Voynich Manuscript
Message-ID: <gAEan.26672$p66.12042@newsfe09.iad>
Steven wrote:
> T wrote:
>
>> In article <3HY9n.4878$4N4.1503@newsfe24.iad>, sam@coldmail.com says...
>>
>>> Steven wrote:
>>>
>>>> David Clayton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:07:02 -0600, Telecom Digest Moderator wrote:
>>>>> .......
>>>>>
>>>>>> Help! I'm drowning in te....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @@@Carrier Lost
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And how many Internet kiddies today have no idea what used to
>>>>> pump out of old voice band modems or what the Hayes "AT" control
>>>>> set is (was?)....... >>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have a friend that still used dial-up, she is in a digital black
>>>> hole.
>>>
>>>
>>> Some of us also travel to those digital holes. That's why a
>>> maintain a Juno dial-up account. >>
>>>
>>> Having said that, between the embedded software modems in most
>>> laptops these days, and the good software of Juno or Earthlink, the
>>> AT command set is unseen and unknown by today's dial-up subscriber.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have NEVER used the modem port on my laptop. Nor have I used the
>> wired ethernet connector when on the road. Everyplace I've gone has
>> had WiFi available so I just use that.
>>
>> Even when I was in Elizabeth City, NC there's a cafe there called
>> Muddy Waters - they had WiFi available.
>
>
> The area I am talking about is pretty remote, the choices are
> dial-up,and satellite, I talked to a friend with AT&T who is over
> DSL and he said they have no plans for DSL, but U-verse is planned
> in most of the area, but some people still will not be able to get
> it.
Try staying at Death Valley, CA someday, where at&t is very limited by
the National Park Service in piping in circuits, which must make a
microwave relay over a remote high mountin within the park boundaries.
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:49:45 -0800
From: Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: OT: NASA, Bell Labs, NSA, and the Voynich Manuscript
Message-ID: <hkg108$sr2$1@news.eternal-september.org>
Sam Spade wrote:
> Try staying at Death Valley, CA someday, where at&t is very limited
> by the National Park Service in piping in circuits, which must make
> a microwave relay over a remote high mountin within the park
> boundaries.
I have worked in that area, [and] the company gave us Satellite
Phones.
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:24:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Heath Roberts <htroberts@gmail.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Where to buy 5-pr cable in small quantity (100')?
Message-ID: <f12b9b6b-a53d-47d0-be33-80aceba152a1@x6g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>
Does anyone know where I can find 5-pair drop-type cable in short
lengths? I'd prefer an inside cable, but could use jelly-filled if
that's all I can find... All I can find are 3-pr category 3 and 4-pr
category 5.
Thanks,
Heath
Date: 04 Feb 2010 22:53:49 GMT
From: Doug McIntyre <merlyn@geeks.org>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Where to buy 5-pr cable in small quantity (100')?
Message-ID: <4b6b4ffd$0$33863$8046368a@newsreader.iphouse.net>
Heath Roberts <htroberts@gmail.com> writes:
>Does anyone know where I can find 5-pair drop-type cable in short
>lengths? I'd prefer an inside cable, but could use jelly-filled if
>that's all I can find... All I can find are 3-pr category 3 and 4-pr
>category 5.
I find it best to find a popular cable manufacturer, get their
specific part # for it, and search for that. You'll pick up all the
ones that copy the popular manufacturer's part #s too (although 5-pair
cable isn't all that popular obviously).
Ie. Beldon 9505NH is a 5-pair, 24AWG, stranded, shielded cable.
Mouser has 100' sections in stock for a whopping $84.13.
At that price, it may be much cheaper to run two 4-prs and waste what
you don't need.
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:39:05 -0600 (CST)
From: jsw <jsw@ivgate.omahug.org>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Some more sites for telephone historians
Message-ID: <201002041839.o14Id51q005111@ivgate.omahug.org>
Primarily of local interest, but ...
http://omahatelephonehistory.blogspot.com/
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 19:15:22 EST
From: Wesrock@aol.com
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: at&t vs. Verizon TV ad campaign?
Message-ID: <18a84.35f40d64.389cbd1a@aol.com>
In a message dated 2/3/2010 11:12:16 PM Central Standard Time,
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
> It really depends on the senior's lifestyle. Regardless of age, a
> senior still mentally sharp and living on his/her own probably would
> have a cellphone. A senior not doing as well living in a senior
> center probably would not as they wouldn't need it.
I belong to a group of former telco employees that meet once a month.
A few of them live in senior centeers, and their main complaint is
that their senior center has a contract with some CLEC and so they
can't get SW Bell (now AT&T) service. hence they get no concession on
their telephone serivce, which can be a major item if they use a lot
of long distance.
Some (both living alone, and those in senior centers) have computers,
some do not. Probably the majority do. Those who do not of course
have no e-mail, nor access to VoIP. One pretty active senior has
sometimes discussed the router (and the use and need for it) in her
home set up. A recommendation recentlt publidshed was that all
seniors should carry a cellphone with them at all times, or a
life-alert type of necklace, in case that fall and are not able to
reach a regular phone.
They all understand "googling," even if they don't have computers.
Wes Leatherock
wesrock@aol.com
wleathus@yahoo.com
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