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Message Digest Volume 28 : Issue 19 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: AT&T drops Appleton, WI time/temp service - local guy picks it up Re: AT&T drops Appleton, WI time/temp service - local guy picks it up Re: AT&T drops Appleton, WI time/temp service - local guy picks it up Re: AT&T drops Appleton, WI time/temp service - local guy picks it up Foreign Listings Again Re: POTS Announcing Hardware -- What's It Called? Re: Long Distance (was: Any user reviews of the Magic Jack?) Re: Cell Phone Clock Inaccuracy Re: Cell Phone Clock Inaccuracy Re: Steve Jobs medical leave of absence Re: Steve Jobs medical leave of absence Re: Any user reviews of the Magic Jack? DC cellphone may be overwhelmed ====== 27 years of TELECOM Digest -- Founded August 21, 1981 ====== Telecom and VOIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) Digest for the Internet. All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. 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Geoffrey Welsh =========================== See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer, and other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 04:16:56 -0800 (PST) From: David Kaye <sfdavidkaye2@yahoo.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: AT&T drops Appleton, WI time/temp service - local guy picks it up Message-ID: <25f75574-f3bc-4910-99da-c693a161a07c@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com> On Jan 18, 7:54 am, Koos van den Hout <koos +newspost...@kzdoos.xs4all.nl> wrote: > All those phone companies stopping this service should have secondhand > equipment for sale. Maybe, if I knew what it was called. > But: if you can live without the solder smell and copper of POTS lines, > building something which tells time in an Asterisk voip pbx is easy. Thanks. I'm looking at their web pages. This wasn't exactly the solution I wanted, but it would be far cheaper in the long run. POTS lines cost a fortune anyway. I appreciate the help. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jan 2009 14:16:07 -0000 From: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: AT&T drops Appleton, WI time/temp service - local guy picks it up Message-ID: <20090119141607.67749.qmail@simone.iecc.com> >> In Boston, time is 617-637-xxxx and weather is 617-936-xxxx, for any xxxx. >> I just called them, both say they're Verizon. > >I was able to get time & temperature at 617-637-1212, but 617-936-1212 >had a recording of number out of service. could the incoming lines be >restricted to Boston only? I just tried 617-936-1212 and it worked fine. I'm not calling from Boston, I have a Lingo phone with an Ithaca NY number that is physically located in the UK. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:17:07 -0600 (CST) From: jsw <jsw@ivgate.omahug.org> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: AT&T drops Appleton, WI time/temp service - local guy picks it up Message-ID: <200901191417.n0JEH7qB061833@ivgate.omahug.org> >IIRC, from an old Bell Labs record, New York Telephone in NYC had live >operators annouce the time every 30 seconds circa 1940. The operators >sat there for 15 or 30 minute shifts and then relieved. The serivce I remember in NYC was supposed to be something like 637-1212 or maybe 637-TIME, but any 637-xxxx would work. However, EVERYBODY knew it by memory as NERVOUS (637-8687) and usually dialed it that way. IIRC, they had announcements every 20 seconds, with the term 'exactly' being used for the on-the-minute announcement. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:18:00 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Lanciani <ddl@danlan.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: AT&T drops Appleton, WI time/temp service - local guy picks it up Message-ID: <200901192218.RAA21086@ss10.danlan.com> koos+newsposting@kzdoos.xs4all.nl (Koos van den Hout) wrote: |Incoming numbers via voip are either free or cheap (depending on area |code and arrangements). What would be a good place to get a free incoming voip number? Dan Lanciani ddl@danlan.*com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 07:32:21 -0700 From: "Fred Atkinson" <fatkinson@mishmash.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Foreign Listings Again Message-ID: <005201c97a42$bd874980$c800000a@mishmash> Greetings from Las Cruces, New Mexico. Approximately six months ago, I relocated to Las Cruces, New Mexico to accept a position with a company performing a government contract. I temporarily set up with Qwest a voicemail only account so that I could port that number to my VOIP service provider once I got out here and got settled. The port was successful. I now have VOIP service on that telephone number (it is on a well recognized exchange code for Las Cruces, 526 in particular). Carolina Net is my VOIP provider. As I did with AT&T in SC and GA, and with Verizon when I was in NC, I tried to arrange a foreign listing for my local number. As I also did with AT&T in SC and GA, and with Verizon when I was in NC, I had to file a complaint with the respective PSCs because AT&T and Verizon were refusing to provide my directory assistance listing (which they are required to do under FCC rules). Unlike with when I was in SC, NC, or GA, the NM PSC doesn't seem to want to meet their responsibility in requiring Qwest to make the listing. They did contact Qwest on my behalf. When Qwest responded to them, the story I was given was that Qwest has a confidential policy which the PSC can not share with me. They require my VOIP provider to arrange the listing for me. This is a smokescreen if I ever heard one. We tried this. Carolina Net tried to get the listing for me but was told that since my telephone number was out of the coverage area (I confirmed with Qwest that it is *not* out of the coverage area), that it was a foreign listing and they would not make the listing for me. They told Carolina Net that I would have to go to Qwest and arrange the listing. Qwest again refused. The NM PSC told me to contact DEX Media (who is the provider of the local phone book out here). DEX said they would accept a foreign listing for business, but not for a residence. I have filed a complaint with the Federal Communications Commission. Of course, that is a slow process. I was just hoping there might be someone from Qwest reading the posts on Telecom Digest to see if we can get this resolved peacefully. As per previous discussions on Telecom Digest, we ascertained that the incumbent LEC is required to accept foreign listings according to FCC section 51.217(c)(3). Specifically: A LEC shall accept the listings of those customers served by competing providers for inclusion in its directory assistance/operator services databases. I can't believe this is the fourth time I've had to go regulatory to enforce what is a clear responsibility of the LECs under the rules of the Federal Communications Commission. If anyone can be of help, I'd appreciate it. Regards, Fred Atkinson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:31:39 -0500 From: Carl Navarro <cnavarro@wcnet.org> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: POTS Announcing Hardware -- What's It Called? Message-ID: <clf9n4db14lrok52gfejjho8en83dihs6o@4ax.com> On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:27:06 -0500 (EST), David Kaye <sfdavidkaye2@yahoo.com> wrote: >I'm trying to figure out what to call the hardware that takes an audio >feed and puts it out on multiple POTS lines. The equipment has >hardware that talks to each line independently, answers the call, >takes the audio and puts it out onto the phone line, and times out >after X number of minutes, drops the call when the caller hangs up, >etc. > >I can't buy the equipment if I don't know what it's called. I'm not >really talking about voice cards such as Dialogic cards, but a self- >contained unit such as Automation Electronics of Oakland used to make. In the simplest sense, you're looking for a call sequencer or a Multi-Line digital announcer. They are getting harder to find because many of the newer phone systems have that capability built-in. You buy them by the number of ports required and features needed. For example. If your doing this for a church so shut-in's could listen to a Sunday service, a Viking 6-port unit with barge-in would probably handle it. However, an NCH Software Broadwave would do it for tons less, even to users with dial-up internet access. I think the problem you're going to find is a reasonable system that plays a message and times out after x minutes. Your sticker shock is about $4K for a bare bones 12-port Viking with thin statistics and no timeout and $1K for a 4 port DL4 from another vendor.. Compare that to a Sub $1K add in to a Panasonic PBX, or a $2k voice mail/auto attendant sytem, and you can see why it's not being offered by many companies. Some vendors to check out http://www.vikingelectronics.com/ http://www.interalia.com/ http://www.temar.net/pg17.html Carl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:50:42 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen <stephencole7@gmail.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Long Distance (was: Any user reviews of the Magic Jack?) Message-ID: <487a1190-7995-42ec-90b0-410c3fc9c0f0@i18g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Jan 18, 10:13 am, John Levine <jo...@iecc.com> wrote: > >Actually,Onesuiteprepaid calling card rates via local access numbers > >across the US [are] only 2.5 cents per minute [when] calling a US > >number and only 1.9 cpm to Canada. The .5 cents and 1.1 cents > >difference (versus the 3 cents you mentioned) adds up if you make [a > >lot of] calls. > > If you make a lot of calls, why not get a flat rate VoIP plan?  Lingo > has one under $20/mo if you pay a year at a time. I don't want to get another yearly plan, or even [a] monthly plan: I once did, and fell victim to SunRocket's sudden closure, losing 7 months of unused service in the process. At the same time, my calling habits are perfect for pay as you go plans like Onesuite, and [I like] not worrying if I'm doing enough calls just to make my money's worth on the plan. > >and, like MagicJack, you also need a PC to use it, but SuiteAdvantage > >can [also] be set up (thoughOnesuite[won't] give support) on a > >regular ATA device (Grandstream, Linksys, etc) so you can leave your > >PC turned off and still use their VoIP service. > > There's lots of services that will terminate a phone number on a SIP > device.  That's not unusual either. I agree, but [I'm] not sure how many providers offer prepaid phone card amd voip service in one account. Also, we are talking about Magic Jack here so I just pointed out MJ disadvantage. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:44:08 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen <stephencole7@gmail.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Cell Phone Clock Inaccuracy Message-ID: <38b754b6-0c6f-40bf-af92-95b9d35ed247@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Jan 19, 2:17 am, alex.pux...@gmail.com wrote: > Anyone has the same problem with iPhone? It seems other cellphones > have a lot of QA issues. Like what the other poster suggested, try to check if you can turn time sync off on your Iphone or any other mobile phone. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:46:40 -0800 From: Steven Lichter <diespammers@ikillspammers.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Cell Phone Clock Inaccuracy Message-ID: <BObdl.10749$W06.9343@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com> Stephen wrote: > On Jan 19, 2:17 am, alex.pux...@gmail.com wrote: >> Anyone has the same problem with iPhone? It seems other cellphones >> have a lot of QA issues. > > Like what the other poster suggested, try to check if you can turn > time sync off on your Iphone or any other mobile phone. > My Palm on the Sprint Network has an option to set the date and time network to nothing. -- The Only Good Spammer is a Dead one!! Have you hunted one down today? (c) 2009 I Kill Spammers, Inc. A Rot In Hell Co. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:47:09 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen <stephencole7@gmail.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Steve Jobs medical leave of absence Message-ID: <10b95996-6ba8-4497-819e-05fe54bb1700@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com> On Jan 18, 12:12 am, alex.pux...@gmail.com wrote: > That's sad. He is a smart guy, but everyone wants him dead. > > Extracts from Bloomberg's premature Steve Jobs obituary: > > [Link removed] Well that's his health he's talking about...and he deserves a time out even if it takes a year. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:50:34 -0800 From: Steven Lichter <diespammers@ikillspammers.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Steve Jobs medical leave of absence Message-ID: <gSbdl.1595$PE4.568@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com> Stephen wrote: > On Jan 18, 12:12 am, alex.pux...@gmail.com wrote: >> That's sad. He is a smart guy, but everyone wants him dead. >> >> Extracts from Bloomberg's premature Steve Jobs obituary: >> >> [Link removed] > > Well that's his health he's talking about...and he deserves a time out > even if it takes a year. The company with survive and do ok, Apple has a lot of talent, many have been there since the start. It is not a one man company, Steve Jobs is the front man for Apple, he ran the business end at the start when Woz was the man everyone saw. I know a lot of people there, for many years I ran an Apple II BBS and later wrote software for the machine. -- The Only Good Spammer is a Dead one!! Have you hunted one down today? (c) 2009 I Kill Spammers, Inc. A Rot In Hell Co. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:37:06 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen <stephencole7@gmail.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Any user reviews of the Magic Jack? Message-ID: <bb2edd31-0a43-4a6a-84e4-509ad433a65b@p2g2000prn.googlegroups.com> On Jan 19, 9:22 am, "www.Queensbridge.us" <NOTva...@Queensbridge.us> wrote: > On Jan 17, 10:43 am, Stephen <stephenco...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Actually,Onesuiteprepaid calling card rates via local access numbers > > across the US [are] only 2.5 cents per minute [when] calling a US > > number and only 1.9 cpm to Canada. The .5 cents and 1.1 cents > > difference (versus the 3 cents you mentioned) adds up if you make [a > > lot of] calls. > > I usually use the toll free number forOneSuiteaccess as local access > calls here in NYC are billed at 11¢ with tax. > > If I were to know that myOneSuiteLDX call would [were to?] be long > talk-length I would use local access # and then get the 2.5CPM. > Otherwise it is cheaper to pay 2.9CPM for =<3 minutes. > > I usually useOneSuitefor my LOCAL calls here in NYC unless I am > calling totally free [of cost] via GrandCentral.com Oh I didn't know Onesuite local access access in NYC are billed by your local phone provider. Are you using this NYC numbers -> 6463529215, 6462173791 Anyhow if thats the case then you are doing a good job of maximizing your savings. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:25:56 -0800 (PST) From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: DC cellphone may be overwhelmed Message-ID: <c7b9a641-3999-495b-8500-0de9956c1f5a@p29g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> Cell phone carriers are concerned that a high volume of traffic may overwhelm their systems on Tuesday of the Inaugural. See: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/19/technology/19cell.html (If anyone is down there or has info or how it actually operated, could you share it with us?) ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly to telecom- munications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to Usenet, where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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