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TELECOM Digest     Sat, 7 Feb 2004 15:24:00 EST    Volume 23 : Issue 61

Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Comcast Has Limits For Heavy Internet Users (Wesrock@aol.com)
    Vonage Motorola VT1000 Box (John Schmerold)
    "Out of Area" Caller ID Law (Mike)
    Re: New Telemarketer Law, Caller ID, Anonymous Call Reject (Mary@bent)
    Re: New Telemarketer Law, Caller ID, Anonymous Call Reject (Dink)
    Re: Panasonic 616 Toll Restriction (Carl Navarro)
    Re: VoIP Gateway (Ron Kritzman)
    Re: Faked CallerID Info? (Gail M. Hall)
    Call Centres (Rob)
    Re: "No Internet Voting" (Wesrock@aol.com)
    Re: "No Internet Voting" (Thomas A. Horsley)
    A How-To Guide for Hackers (Monty Solomon)
    TiVo-Nielsen Deal Could Aid Advertisers (Monty Solomon)
    IDT America Unlimited - Pros/Cons? (Zebra)

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From: Wesrock@aol.com
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 09:36:54 EST
Subject: Comcast Has Limits For Heavy Internet Users


Pat,

      I'm surprised no one has made mention of this in Telecom Digest. 
Forwarded from another list.


Wes Leatherock
wesrock@aol.com
wleathus@yahoo.com


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Warning letters trouble broadband subscribers
Comcast targets heavy users, but some say limits aren't clear

Associated Press

SAN JOSE, Calif.  By all accounts, George Nussbaum demands a lot
from his Internet connection. He streams video and transfers large
files from his office. His family downloads movie trailers, and his
stepson listens to and buys music online.

Mr. Nussbaum subscribes to his cable TV provider's high-speed Internet
service, which, he thought, was built for such high-bandwidth
activities. Then, in November, he got a letter from the provider,
Comcast Corp., ordering him to dial down his usage or face service
termination.

Until last summer, the service was advertised as "unlimited."  But
Comcast, citing its "acceptable use" policy, is cracking down on the
heaviest users on the premise that their consumption could degrade
their neighbors' service.

A number of broadband providers are beginning to offer different
tiers of service, charging high-volume users more. Some, particularly
wireless providers, charge extra for heavy use.

Comcast, critics say, is trying to impose limits without telling
consumers that the service is limited.

Looking for answers

Mr. Nussbaum, who had no idea how many gigabytes he used, was willing
to cut back. He called to find out by how much, but customer service
had no answer. Then he asked how much he used. Again, Comcast
wouldn't provide a number.

Last month, Mr. Nussbaum got a second letter threatening suspension
or termination, so he decided to sign up for a digital subscriber
line offered by his phone company, Verizon Communications.

"How am I supposed to know what my limits are?" said Mr. Nussbaum, an
engineer from Plaistow, N.H. "It was actually kind of ridiculous."

'Changing the rules'

"They have the right to control their service and offer different
services to different people," said David Willis, an analyst at the
Meta Group. "The problem is you can't keep changing the rules all the
time."

Most broadband companies have vague policies, but Comcast's appear to
be the most aggressively enforced. It provides no tools for monitoring
bandwidth and does not give any specific guidance.

Comcast says the people who receive the warning letters typically
consume 100 times more than the average user.

"The total number of customers who have had their service disconnected
is well below one one-hundredth of 1 percent of our overall Internet
customer base," said spokeswoman Dana Ryan, reading from a prepared
statement.

But the nation's largest cable company refused to reveal the average
consumption among its 4.8 million high-speed Internet subscribers.
Ms. Ryan also would not say how many received warnings or exactly how
many have had their accounts suspended or terminated.  Excessive use
is a problem for Comcast and other providers because they must predict
bandwidth use and buy the capacity. If too much is consumed, it can
bog down the local network and also affect profit margins.


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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 22:20:23 -0600
From: John Schmerold <john@katy.com>
Subject: Vonage Motorola VT1000 Box


The 1+ dialing is a Vonage deal killer for me.  I tried a couple of 
dialers behind the Cisco boxes Vonage used to use -- they didn't work.

Anyone know if there is a dialer compatible with the VT1000 to
automatically insert the 1 needed with Vonage?

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From: littleboyblu87@yahoo.com (Mike)
Subject: "Out of Area" Caller ID Law
Date: 6 Feb 2004 22:39:43 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


I registered on that Do Not Call list back when it first came out.
When it went into affect we stopped receiving all those annoying
telemarketing phone calls. But ever since that new law came out that
requires telemarketers to display info on the caller id, we've been
getting about 3 "out of area" calls everyday at the same times they
used to call.

Does anyone know what that's all about? It's really annoying.

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: It goes to show that the telemarketers
are keeping up with the times. Telemarketers are not going to be
easily thwarted. :)  PAT]

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From: Mary@bentmetal.biz
Subject: Re: New Telemarketer Law, Caller ID, and Anonymous Call Reject
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 05:35:43 -0800
Organization: Cox Communications


Your feature sounds more like Privacy Manager than Anonymous Call
Rejection.

Michael Quinn wrote:

> A few weeks back in the long thread on spoofed caller ID, someone
> mentioned a recently enacted federal law that requires telemarketers
> to deliver a caller ID number (whether accurate or not).

> Here in Nothern VA, we have been using Verizon's Anonymous Call
> Reject, which does not allow "out of area" numbers to even ring the
> phone unless the caller provides some additional information (or
> enters a PIN); we pay $7.50 per month or so for this.

> I think it was about this time that I started to notice a significant
> increase in telemarketing calls which now display the number and the
> name, although sometimes the name says "out of area" or "not
> available" (or even "ohio"), which of course ACR doesn't look at -- as
> long as they deliver a number, however inaccurate, ACR lets the call
> through. The net result is that our dinner and evening hours are now
> once again filled with ringing phones.  Before this, there was a fair
> chance that an incoming call was from someone we wanted to hear from,
> so we'd pick up after looking at caller ID; now we have to deal with
> at least double or triple the number of calls.

> Has anyone else noticed this phenomenom? I guess for the small number
> of folks with ACR it's a step backward, even though it may be an
> improvement for the majority.  I'm wondering what will happen if I
> cancel ACR -- even more calls I suppose.

> Regards,

> Mike Quinn
> Springfield VA

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: That was a very big hassle I had with
> SBC (Southwestern Bell Tel) when they had my phone service. They
> claimed (the chairman's office, yet, when I appealed) that they had
> met all requirements to subscribers of anonymous call blocking and
> last call reject 'as long as the calling party supplies some number.'
> No matter if it was all zeros, if the name was bogus or missing, etc.
> SBC still wanted the couple bucks per month for providing 'anonymous
> call rejection'. They claimed 'the call was not anonymous, we did give
> you the number and often times the name.' Yet, even though the call
> was not 'anonymous' by telco's definition, they still were not able to
> block future calls from the same 'number'.

> I think what you will find, Michael, is that telco makes too much
> money from telemarketers to abuse them too badly. Telco turns a blind
> eye to the way they rig their phone systems (with skimpy or non-
> existent details of ID) because the telemarketers would suffer from it.
> PAT]

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From: Dink <winkdink@newsguy.com>
Subject: Re: New Telemarketer Law, Caller ID, and Anonymous Call Reject
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:23:22 -0600
Organization: Frijoles Refritos


On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:19:41 -0500, Michael Quinn <quinnm@bah.com> wrote:

> A few weeks back in the long thread on spoofed caller ID, someone
> mentioned a recently enacted federal law that requires telemarketers
> to deliver a caller ID number (whether accurate or not).

> Here in Nothern VA, we have been using Verizon's Anonymous Call
> Reject, which does not allow "out of area" numbers to even ring the
> phone unless the caller provides some additional information (or
> enters a PIN); we pay $7.50 per month or so for this.

> I think it was about this time that I started to notice a significant
> increase in telemarketing calls which now display the number and the
> name, although sometimes the name says "out of area" or "not
> available" (or even "ohio"), which of course ACR doesn't look at -- as
> long as they deliver a number, however inaccurate, ACR lets the call
> through. The net result is that our dinner and evening hours are now
> once again filled with ringing phones.  Before this, there was a fair
> chance that an incoming call was from someone we wanted to hear from,
> so we'd pick up after looking at caller ID; now we have to deal with
> at least double or triple the number of calls.

> Has anyone else noticed this phenomenom? I guess for the small number
> of folks with ACR it's a step backward, even though it may be an
> improvement for the majority.  I'm wondering what will happen if I
> cancel ACR -- even more calls I suppose.

> Regards,

> Mike Quinn
> Springfield VA

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: That was a very big hassle I had with
> SBC (Southwestern Bell Tel) when they had my phone service. They
> claimed (the chairman's office, yet, when I appealed) that they had
> met all requirements to subscribers of anonymous call blocking and
> last call reject 'as long as the calling party supplies some number.'
> No matter if it was all zeros, if the name was bogus or missing, etc.
> SBC still wanted the couple bucks per month for providing 'anonymous
> call rejection'. They claimed 'the call was not anonymous, we did give
> you the number and often times the name.' Yet, even though the call
> was not 'anonymous' by telco's definition, they still were not able to
> block future calls from the same 'number'. 

> I think what you will find, Michael, is that telco makes too much
> money from telemarketers to abuse them too badly. Telco turns a blind
> eye to the way they rig their phone systems (with skimpy or non-
> existent details of ID) because the telemarketers would suffer from it.
> PAT] 

 From a posting I made in another newsgroup on Jan. 29th:

  Subject: US: Telemarketers Unmasked
  From: Dink <me2@privacy.net>
  Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 05:58:10 -0600

 From today, telemarketer calls are required to display information on
caller ID displays. Such calls previously showed on Caller ID as "out
of area."  Now the name displayed by Caller ID must be either the
company trying to make a sale or the firm making the call.

The display must also include a phone number that consumers can call
during regular business hours to ask the company to place their number
on the company's internal do not call list.

Dink

------------------------------

From: Carl Navarro <cnavarro@wcnet.org>
Subject: Re: Panasonic 616 Toll Restriction
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 21:34:38 -0500
Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America


On 6 Feb 2004 14:48:35 -0800, javi@wizardes.com (Javier Gonzalez
Ferreyra) wrote:

> The manual says that I've to dial * to complete the 3 digit code for
> toll restriction, but nothing appears on the LCD and I can not store
> the two digit code. How can I fix it? I can program everything else
> but not toll restriction which is the most improtant for me ... please
> help.  

On the bottom of the KSU is a silver tag.  Read it.  Is there a 3 in a
circle on it?  Was it made in Great Britain?  Is it a 616-D?

The software is different for each release.

Carl Navarro

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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 00:21:29 -0600
From: Ron Kritzman <ron@dbOnayAmspaYmasters.com>
Subject: Re: VoIP Gateway


Andrew Bell wrote:

> I know there a lots of commercial offerings to do this, but I'm hoping
> to get away with just the cost of an FXO card for a proof of concept
> right now.

> Has anyone here done something like this already?

  Have you looked into Asterisk?  Its an Open Source, Linux based PBX
with VOIP capability built right in.


Ron

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From: Gail M. Hall <gmhall@apk.net>
Subject: Re: Faked CallerID Info?
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 04:25:29 -0500
Reply-To: gmhall@apk.net


On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:36:24 -0600, in comp.dcom.telecom message
<telecom23.58.12@telecom-digest.org>, Herb Stein <herb@herbstein.com>
wrote:

> Daniel W. Johnson <panoptes@iquest.net> wrote in message
> news:telecom23.57.8@telecom-digest.org:

>> TELECOM Digest Editor added in message
>> news:<telecom23.56.5@telecom-digest.org>:

>>> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I guess so, if you feel that exposing
>>> yourself on national TV is 'normal' behavior. 

What I don't understand is the part of the "exposure" that really
bothered me, and that is the appearance of grabbing the girl's clothes
off of her.  Grabbing and groping against her will is just a lower
form of imposition and the type of thinking that leads to rape.

This sort of thing glorifies abusing other people.

As for the appropriateness or not, there are times and places for
different activities.  Forcing adult type material during GP times is
inconsiderate and crude.  This is just another form of "in-your-face"
stuff that telemarketers and spammers do.  They are going to force you
to see it whether or not you want to.  If a person *wants* to see that
stuff, they should be able to go to the so-called adult channels and
see it.  But don't intrude on general TV channels during prime time
when our kids are likely to see it.  Don't teach our kids that
grabbing a girls clothes off her is OK or funny!


>> I haven't read anything about indecent exposure on the part of LaToya,
>> just the incident with her younger sister Janet on the Super Bowl
>> halftime show.

>> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: My bad ... I should have said 'Janet'
>> instead of 'LaToya'.  PAT]

> LaToya was in Playboy/Penthouse/Hustler/ or one of them a few years
> ago. Of course, the reader of the magazine found the spread anything
> but indecent.  :-)

> Herb Stein
> herb@herbstein.com

Apparently the one whose pictures were published in the magazine chose
to expose herself in an appropriate place -- in a magazine that
specializes in that sort of thing.  People who don't want to see that
can choose not to buy the magazines.

People who are watching a football game with their kids probably don't
want to see that kind of thing.

Also, it's more likely that the magazine pictures show her posing in
an "alluring" position, VOLUNTARILY, not being shown as being forced
against her will.  I didn't see the pictures, so I am just guessing
about that.

At any rate, they are not showing this on national TV on a program
that is not labeled as R or X.

BTW, all the repeats of the Justin and Janet scene on all the news
shows demonstrates how hypicritical so many people in this country
are.  If it's all that bad, they shouldn't be showing it over and over
and over and over and ...


Gail in NE Ohio USA


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: According to the radio news today, a
lady in California (I think) has filed a class action lawsuit on this
incident. She named as the members of the Class 'anyone who watched
the Stupid Bowl and saw the incident'.  I wonder how much will be
asked in damages for each member of the Class for the offense done to
their eyes? The same radio news said that the network is also rather
'livid' about the incident and was quoted as saying "if the FCC sticks
it to us with a fine, we most assuredly will sue Jackson to recover
the amount of the fine imposed on us." And apparently at least one of
the major advertisers on the Stupid Bowl is now stalling on paying
their advertising bill, on the premise they did not intend to sponsor
an 'X-rated production.'  I think we will hear more about this affair
for a long time.  PAT]

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From: rob51166@yahoo.com (Rob)
Subject: Call Centres
Date: 7 Feb 2004 03:03:52 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


Does anyone know what the situation is in the US/Canada as far as call
centres being transferred abroad is like?

It's *BIG* news over here at the moment, with many companies, such as
insurance companies, telco's (including BT), some 118 Directory
Assistance companies,  National Rail Enquiries, and AOL, opening up
call centres in India, primarily Kolkutt and Mumbai.  Basically
they're *MUCH* cheaper to run and operate over there than call centres
here in the UK, but that's at the expense of job losses as well.  At
the moment they're being used as overflow for the call centres here 
 --  but as I say, that's at the moment.

BTW, the reason I know that AOL have opened a centre in India is
because I had to call them a few weeks ago, only for my call to be
answered (eventually) by a guy with a very strong Indian accent -- you
don't hear Indian accents in Waterford, Ireland, where AOL have their
main European office!

TIA!

Rob

------------------------------

From: Wesrock@aol.com
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 09:05:59 EST
Subject: Re: "No Internet Voting"


In a message dated Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:36:46 -0500 TELECOM Digest
Editor noted in response to Robert Pierce's message: 

> I don't know of any large corporation back in the 1960-70's as
> computers were taking over everything which did not run in
> parallel for at least a month or two for just that reason. I know
> telco and Amoco credit card did that.  PAT]

       This does not seem to be typical of government, state, local,
etc.  In Oklahoma there have been at least three cases in the last few
years where this apparently not even considered and the new system was
supposed to run straight out of the box.  One was a combined system
for state government, which took six weeks or so to get where it would
even issue pay checks to state employees ... another was the Oklahoma
City school district which did similarly and employee pay checks were
delayed for a number of days, and payments to vendors for many weeks,
to the extent that some vendors cut them off, and another case
involving Oklahoma County payrolls.

       Probably much of the other data on those systems, some of which
might be quite important for continuing operations, would be similarly
screwed up.

       This is probably the norm for most states all over the country.
Didn't the IRS or SSA have a similar screwup that delayed tax refunds
or SSA payments for several days?

       From my experience with Southwestern Bell, and its insistence
on always running parallel systems, sometimes for months, before being
satisfied the new system is working right and switching over to it for
real, the first one (state payrolls and other information) of those
struck me as feckless.  But then the others came along and it would
appear governmental agencies, at least, don't take such things
seriously.


Wes Leatherock
wesrock@aol.com


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Even if the software worked perfectly
out of the box -- not impossible, but unlikely if the software is
custom built as much of it is -- there is still the hassle of getting
the database correctly built the first time around. 

Does anyone here besides me remember when VISA (when it was known as
BankAmericard and was the 'local' credit card program of Bank of
America in San Francisco) decided to put it all on computers (yes,
there was a time when Visa -- as it is known now -- was totally
manual) and make it a national system of credit cards through various
banks?  Around 1960 or so, BankAmericard went national but they kept
that trade name for a few more years before becoming Visa.  Ooooh, did
all the banks get hit with **severe** fraud as a result!  First
National Bank of Chicago alone got hit with about 30 million dollars
in fraud over a five or six year period. The way the banks built their
databases for BankAmericard cards was to just take every account in 
their bank and put them on the database. Then they dumped all those
little plastic cards in the postal mail, including accounts opened for
tiny babies at the bank, trust fund and escrow accounts, estates of 
dead people, etc. I suppose about a third of the cards never reached
their rightful owners, and maybe half of the remainder were innaprop-
riatly issued to dead people with estates, babies and litle children,
etc. 

Really, such an approach is the only sensible way to build a national
database (of voters, for instance or credit card account holders). 
Bottom line is what they go by. I guess they felt it would cost less
money to (in effect) throw all the plastics in the air, and weed out
the deadbeats and fraud as it happened than to go to the expense of
running bureaus on everyone who applied, if they ever did. But when
Bank of America and then the national association they started made an
attempt to build a national database of customers it wound up costing
them plenty. Ditto with Sears, when they started 'Discover Card', it
was not without a lot of frustration and expense in constructing the
database. Sears had to eat about forty million in fraud before the
Discover card was totally up and running. 

And with the latest movement to totally computerize the process of 
voting, I suspect the same thing will happen. 'Experts' will decide
how far (and with how much expense) they want to go to 'purify' the
results. No one ever said there would never be fraud in an election;
only that the goal was to keep a reasonable ratio between fraud and
administrative costs. You can always put FBI and similar in charge
of punishing fraud as it is caught. PAT]

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Subject: Re: "No Internet Voting"
From: tom.horsley@att.net (Thomas A. Horsley)
Organization: AT&T Worldnet
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 15:19:17 GMT


> But I think we are going to get to the point where electronic voting
> becomes a necessity before too long,

What could possibly be necessary about it?

You know all that spam you get in your electronic mailbox? You know
how you *don't* have a freightcar full of advertising circulars and
come-ons in your postal mail box every day? That's because electrons
can be cheaply and easily arranged into unlimited patterns at almost
no expense. Paper,' printing, and postage, on the other hand requires
time, energy, and money to manipulate.

All electronic voting will do is make manipulating elections as cheap
and easy as sending spam. No thanks. (I'm still fighting a hopeless
campaign to get Palm Beach County to sell the stupid touch-screen
machines they just bought to Iraq or someplace and buy scanners
instead where real voters fill out real ballots which can be touched
and looked at, and would at least put someone to a great deal more
effort to fake than numbers that exist only in a computer that the
same people who designed butterfly ballots tell us are foolproof :-).


==>> The *Best* political site <URL:http://www.vote-smart.org/>
==>> email: Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net icbm: Delray Beach, FL |
<URL:http://home.att.net/~Tom.Horsley> Free Software and Politics

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Responding to 'What could possibly be
necessary about (electronic voting)'? Well, please take the advice of
someone who has grown up in an *entirely non-computerized* world to an
almost entirely computerized one. There is very little you can do
*without computers* that can't be done better *with computers*,
including detecting fraud and other crimes. Please accept this 
rephrasing of your question: What could possibly be better about paper
ballots which take a long time to tabulate and confirm?  Did you know
that the election held on the first Tuesday after the second Monday
in November will only have projected results the next day?  It only
becomes *official* a month or so later when it has been certified by
(in Chicago at least) the Board of Election Commissioners. That is
after they have weeded out tons of fraud, illegible ballots, recounted
the ballots at least once or twice, etc. How could computers possibly
do worse? The fact that a little bit of *new style fraud* enters the
picture in the process of purifying and expediting the results
otherwise shouldn't matter. PAT]

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:17:09 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: A How-To Guide for Hackers


By Michelle Delio

Already bored with all the presents you got for the holidays? Hack 
them into new-and-improved presents.

Got piles of now-outdated gifts from past festive occasions carefully 
stashed away because you might need the parts someday? Hack them, too.

Don't know how to hack or need some inspiration? Get yourself a copy 
of Hardware Hacking: Have Fun While Voiding Your Warranty. It has 576 
pages of detailed instructions that will show you how to re-engineer 
almost every inanimate object in your home or office.


http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,62089,00.html

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 23:05:56 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: TiVo-Nielsen Deal Could Aid Advertisers


By Sam Diaz, Knight Ridder, 2/6/2004

TiVo and Nielsen Media Research, the television ratings company,
announced a deal Wednesday in which TiVo will provide a breakdown of
how its customers are using their digital video recorders.

That means Nielsen will find out whether viewers are watching 
"American Idol" live or watching it a day later and, more 
importantly, which commercials they're skipping and which were 
watched a second time.


http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2004/02/06/tivo_nielsen_deal_could_aid_advertisers/

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From: Zebra <zebra@optonline.dot.net>
Subject: IDT America Unlimited - Pros/Cons?
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 12:18:35 -0500


IDT America Unlimited offers the following for $39.95 ($40) a month:

Unlimited Local 
-  Unlimited Regional 
-  Unlimited Long Distance 
-  Popular Calling Features 
  - Caller ID 
  - Call Waiting with Name 
  - 3-Way Calling 
  - Speed Dial (8 Numbers) 

http://www.idt.net/products/unlimited/

Has anyone tried this service?  Can you share your experiences?  Is
this company reliable?  Do your calls go through?  Is it a nightmare?

AT&T wants $55 for the basically same offering, and Verzion wants $60.

Before I take the plunge, I would love to get some feedback --
searching the newsgroups has not found anything pro or con on this
offering.

Thanks in advance from NY.

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Our local telco here in Independence,
KS called 'Prairie Stream Communications' offers basically the same
package for $29.95 per month. The main difference is instead of
'unlimited regional' and 'unlimited long distance' they have those
two merged into 'long distance'. In addition to unlimited local,
Prairie Stream allows 100 minutes (an hour plus 20 minutes) of
'long distance' in the package. Additional minutes are two cents 
each.  Does IDT allow you to port or keep your local number?  Is this
the same IDT that used to do TV commercials saying long distance is
only five cents per minute if you dialed their 1010 code?  PAT]

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