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TELECOM Digest     Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:26:00 EST    Volume 23 : Issue 590

Inside This Issue:                             Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    AOL Lays Off 750 Employees (Lisa Minter)
    Sprint, Nextel in Talks: Reports (Eric Friedebach)
    Unlimited Calling Plan to India (vijay.vishy@gmail.com)
    Now, Kudos to Charlie Christ!! Re: NorVergence (David O. Rodriguez)
    Sprint, Nextel in Merger Talks (Telecom dailyLead from USTA)
    Packet8 (Bob Kester)
    Automatic Number Identification (ANI) Service (Michael Quinn)
    How About Network Protection (Marc)
    Re: Information Wanted on WI-FI (David Quinton)
    Re: Radar Detectors (Tim@Backhome.org)
    Re: Radar Detectors (Justin Time)
    Re: Radar Detectors (hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com)
    Re: NASA Van Crash in California Leaves 3 Dead (Henry Cabot Henhouse)
    Re: Anyone Using Avaya Communication Manager API? (jim.woodward@genesis
    Re: Question About ROLM PBX Telephones (phoneguide@gmail.com)
    Re: Online Research Worries Many Educators (Geoffrey Welsh)
    Re: Dropping SBC For a VoIP Solution - Vonage or Packet8 (Rick Merrill)

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From: Lisa Minter <lisa_minter2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: AOL Lays Off 750 Employees
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:16:21 EST


by Elizabeth Millard, NewsFactor staff writer

Approximately 750 America Online employees, primarily at the company's
Dulles, Virginia, headquarters, have been laid off.
 
The cuts were expected by many analysts, since AOL had been suggesting
for weeks that it would be realigning the company and shifting some
focus areas.

"Whenever a company demonstrates that it's going to cut costs, you're
probably going to have some job loss," John Challenger, CEO of
outplacement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas, told NewsFactor.

The latest round of cuts comes a year after the company's last major
layoff round, when 500 employees were let go, mainly from AOL's
California offices.

The new layoffs involved employees from across the company's
operations, but those in the marketing and broadband areas were hit
especially hard, according to news reports. No cuts were made in the
company's call centers.

Employees in Northern Virginia made up the majority of the cuts, but
some workers were laid off from offices in Ohio, California and New
York.

Fresh Strategy

AOL has been trying to change its corporate direction for the past two
years, when it began to see its dial-up business decline.

In response, AOL has noted that it will make up for subscriber loss by
focusing more intently on its free AOL.com site, beefing it up with
content and games, and hopefully seeing a robust profit from
advertising sold on the site.

In addition to the push to become a major ad-driven portal, the
company has been influenced by SEC scuffles involving its parent
company, Time Warner.

Tough Times

Although AOL's cuts were expected for the past month, they demonstrate
that some job loss gloom has not lifted from the technology sector.

"Cuts in the sector were expected to increase for the fourth quarter,"
said Challenger, adding that aggressive price competition for
manufacturers, developers and service providers has been hurting job
stability.

"The most difficult part about these job cuts right now is that
they're not being offset by increased hiring," he said. "That means it
will be some time before we see a good level of hiring and job
creation."

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From: Eric Friedebach <friedebach@yahoo.com>
Subject: Sprint, Nextel in Talks: Reports
Date: 10 Dec 2004 11:34:28 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


Sprint Corp. and Nextel Communications Inc. are in merger discussions,
according to press reports.

The talks are ongoing and the transaction is being treated as a merger
of equals since the two companies share similar market capitalization
of more than $30-billion (U.S.), Dow Jones Newswires reported, citing
unnamed sources.

http://tinyurl.com/6838l

Eric Friedebach
/KMPX Rocks!/

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From: vijay.vishy@gmail.com
Subject: Unlimited Calling Plan to India
Date: 10 Dec 2004 11:35:48 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


Iam looking for a unlimited international calling plan to India from
USA.  I am spending hundreds of dollars every month.

Thanks.

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From: David O. Rodriguez <dor@writeme.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:53:20 -0500
Subject: Now, Kudos to Charlie Christ!!! Re: NorVergence


The link below will (hopefully) take you to an article about Florida's
Attoney General doing much like New York's Attorney General earlier
this week.  He has reached a settlement with Patriot Leasing to
eliminate the contracts for the NorVergence initiated leases.
However, Charlie Christ seems to have one-up'ed New York's Attorney
General Eliot Spitzer by getting Patriot Leasing to reimburse his
office for costs .

I wonder, is there is any action being taken by any Attorney Generals
against the Salzanos?

http://myfloridalegal.com/newsrel.nsf/newsreleases/9F3150A58EA704B785256F66005269B3

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Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:25:43 EST
From: Telecom dailyLead from USTA <usta@dailylead.com>
Subject: Sprint, Nextel in Merger Talks


Telecom dailyLead from USTA
December 10, 2004
http://www.dailylead.com/latestIssue.jsp?i=18040&l=2017006


TODAY'S HEADLINES

NEWS OF THE DAY
* Sprint, Nextel in merger talks
BUSINESS & INDUSTRY WATCH
* Covad announces nationwide VoIP rollout
* AT&T, Intel form partnership
* Cisco buys remaining portion of BCN
* Cable executives consider joining forces for wireless services
USTA SPOTLIGHT 
* USTA Webinar: USF&USAC, Funding Updates, Tuesday, Dec. 14, 2004, 1:30 p.m.
EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES
* Fast wireless network two years away, T-Mobile says

Follow the link below to read quick summaries of these stories and others.
http://www.dailylead.com/latestIssue.jsp?i=18040&l=2017006

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Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:47:47 -0500
From: Bob Kester <SpamPot@FrontierNet.net>
Subject: Packet8


I was a Packet8 user for about a year (until about a year ago).  Here
are some comments on my experiences.

First, I used the terminal adapter they provided on a fixed IP address
on my LAN.  While, as shipped, it is configured to pull an IP address
via DHCP -- it can be configured to use a fixed IP.  They have a FAQ
describing just how to set that up (and, I just checked, it is still
there).

We never had a problem with delays or echoes that some have mentioned
here.  Originally, the volume we were getting was a little higher than
what you would expect on a POTS line (which was certainly beneficial
to anyone that has some hearing loss).  But, a firmware upgrade seemed
to adjust that downward somewhat.

When we signed up for service, their available numbers in our state
were nonexistent.  (Since that time they have certainly corrected that
 -- seems like they have numbers available in just about every town
around here).  But, because of that, we did not see many incoming
calls, except for a few tests that we ran.

The rate center we picked for our number was a local call to a
military post that our daughter was able to call into from overseas.
We envisioned she would be able to use that number to complete
telephone calls to us -- but that particular military post she had to
go thru the base operator, and they would not complete calls to that
particular exchange. Since she could use a calling card to complete
the call to us, that was not a big deal.  And, I could have had that
number moved to some other location where she could dial directly.

The problems we had were primarily two:

(1) Many times, when we placed a call, we would get a busy.  Initially
the TA only provided a reorder busy and it was hard to tell just where
the problem was.  (A later firmware updated provided a real busy,
also.)

(2) On some occasions, we would have a one-way dropout of audio.  Very
disconcerting!  You could be talking to someone, suddenly you realized
they weren't answering -- they were maybe still hearing you, maybe
not.

On both these problems the troubleshooting method was to run pings
against their server.  There were some times when that produced dismal
responses, and according to them it was my ISP's problem.  But, after
running a traceroute to their server, and running ping on the next hop
out from the destination, things always were solid.  Certainly not my
ISP's problem, and most likely theirs.

The need to dial all numbers as 10-digit numbers were a problem for
some people here :-) and as a result it didn't get the use it might
have otherwise.

I never had any problem with their support people.  Generally, my
questions were such I could email them, and always got good responses.
I can't think of any situation where I needed an immediate urgent
reply, and generally I made it clear in my email they could take their
time in answering.  But, I was always satisfied with them.

Why did we drop the service?  We were paying just a few pennies over
$20 a month for unlimited calling in the US and Canada.  Our telephone
company came up with a $15 unlimited calling (US only).  Since we
never call Canada, that wasn't a serious consideration.  In exchange
for that $5 difference, we gave up the second line for outgoing calls.
The needed number of redials (because of the incompleted calls) were
frustrating.  Again, most of our phones have a REDIAL button, but that
doesn't always get used :-(

The only other observation.  Their records of call usage (inbound and
outbound) were online, and great.  You could go in and view them in
real time, any time.  But, when I called and canceled the service --
that apparently immediately eliminated my access to them.  My account
name and password were off their books!

As I mentioned, my experiences are now a year old.  It's a fast
changing field, and I'm sure they have made many changes in the
service they provide.

 ...Bob


The FROM: email address has been set up for receiving SPAM.
    Don't bother using it -- email to it won't be read.
Right now, you can use: TCdig01 [SHIFT/2] kesters [DOT] org
         (Until the scumbags figure that one out.)

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Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:27:26 -0500
From: Michael Quinn Michael <quinnm@withheld on request>
Organization: Booz Allen Hamilton
Subject: Automatic Number Identification (ANI) Service


Please withold my email address and organization, ok to use my name.

Someone was recently enquiring about ANI.  By coincidence a few days
ago, I came across a toll-free ANI service, although that is perhaps
not the the intended purpose. The following number appeared on my
caller ID at home, possibly in conjunction with a blood drive or
telemarketing call:

(866) 849-3243

When I called the number to see who it was, it was an automated "voice
messaging center" (no further info was provided) which gives an option
to be removed from their call list.  If that option is selected, it
reads back the number from which one is calling. Worked from home as
well as inside an ISDN PABX at my office. Who knows how long it will
be in service, so TD subcribers may wish to take advantage of while
it's there.

Regards,

Mike

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Thanks for this entry, Mike. And it
does two jobs for you at one time. It identifies the line you are
using, *AND* it eliminates your number from some telemarketing
program at the same time! Works for me!  PAT] 

------------------------------

From: miniotdr@yahoo.com (Marc)
Subject: How About Network Protection
Date: 10 Dec 2004 10:38:10 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


Hi Folks,

I am looking for information and data regarding network protection in
North America -- even if depending on the State : what are the actual
processes for a network owner/carrier/provider to get authorizations
to initiate civil engineering works on its infrastructure. For
instance, say California, on the Coast : there is a landslide, after
heavy rains. SBC's optical cables are down, need repair. What is the
process, for SBC and its contractors (e.g. Maintenance) to get
clearance for intervention on the US1 ?

Shall you need a more precize question, please feel free to tell !

Thanks in advance,

_Marc
miniotdr@yahoo.com

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From: David Quinton <usenet_2004D_email@REMOVETHISBITbizorg.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Information Wanted on WI-FI
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:55:44 +0000


On 9 Dec 2004 12:47:03 -0800, mykonosboy@tiscali.it (DVB) wrote:

> Hi, 

> I have a PC with tecnology Centrino (Intel Pro/Wireless 2100 WLAN
> 802.11b,11Mbps).

> I'm going for holiday in Mexico in an hotel that provides a connection
> to internet through a modem called ALAMBRICO.

> I've never heard about this router, in Italy nobody knows what it is.
> Do you know if I can use my laptop to connect to internet in the
> hotel?

<http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=alambrico+modem>
whilst all the links seems to be in Spanish, many contain 801.xx.

So I guess it should be OK?

Interesting Xmas gifts: <http://www.awin1.com/tclick.php?id=405&mid=182> . <http://BizOrg.co.uk/shopping/>
Locate your Mobile phone: <http://www.bizorg.co.uk/news.html>

------------------------------

From: Tim@Backhome.org
Subject: Re: Radar Detectors
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:03:53 -0800
Organization: Cox Communications


Ron Chapman wrote:

> In article <telecom23.588.11@telecom-digest.org>, Tim@Backhome.org
> wrote:

>> The automatic devices for slight speed violations are revenue devices
>> for the most part.  But, the devices that catch red light runners
>> serve a genuine safety purposes.

> Ah.  So maybe you can explain to me why cities that employ these
> devices:

> (a) pay nothing for them, and receive commissions from the PRIVATE
> OPERATORS who place them; and

> (b) change the timing of the lights with such devices, in order to
> DRAMATICALLY shorten the time of the yellow light, a change which
> drastically increases the likelihood of your getting caught by the
> device?

> By the way, such a change in timing is:

> (a) NOT within national traffic guidelines, and

> (b) NOT implemented on traffic lights that DO NOT have such cameras in
> place.

> Hmmmmm.

> Tim, you're wrong.  The sole reason for these devices is revenue
> enhancement.

> If the lawmakers want to make everything I do illegal, then I guess
> I'll be a criminal the rest of my life.

I can only speak for Southern California.  All of your concerns have
been addressed.  The yellow lights have been extended a small interval
beyond what the state recommends just to avoid that accusation.
Perhaps in your area it is different.

Running red lights is already illegal and very, very dangerous.  Where
they have been installed around here side-collision fatalities have
decreased.  That is significant.  If you drive like you should you
won't run red lights.  And, dont' tell me that running a red light is
like driving 40 in a 35 mph zone.  If you believe that you are
probably a problem driver that needs to be caught by these red light
devices.

So, please don't tell me I am wrong.  That itself shows an inclination
on your part to be unreasonably opinionated about the issue of red
light enforcement.  There are drivers in these parts that don't feel
red lights apply to them, because they are "special."

------------------------------

From: Justin Time <a_user2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Radar Detectors
Date: 10 Dec 2004 05:33:44 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


Ron Chapman wrote:

> Ah. So maybe you can explain to me why cities that employ these
> devices:

> (a) pay nothing for them, and receive commissions from the PRIVATE
> OPERATORS who place them; and

The quick answer to point (a) is there is no expenditure of public
funds for either the equipment or its maintenance.  Your point that
the cameras are then used as a revenue stream is correct.

> b) change the timing of the lights with such devices, in order to
> DRAMATICALLY shorten the time of the yellow light, a change which
> drastically increases the likelihood of your getting caught by the
> device?

Now this is a bold statement with no proof to your allegation.  While
I am not saying that retiming of traffic lights hasn't occurred, can
you cite some specific examples of cities where this has been done?  I
know that in the city where I work, one unit was removed because it
was found to be installed at an intersection where the light was
improperly timed to allow traffic to clear an intersection before the
light at the next intersection turned red.

Rodgers Platt

------------------------------

From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Subject: Re: Radar Detectors
Date: 10 Dec 2004 08:06:11 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


Ron Chapman wrote:

> Ah.  So maybe you can explain to me why cities that employ these
> devices:

> (a) pay nothing for them, and receive commissions from the PRIVATE
> OPERATORS who place them; and

That is not true.  The cost of the machines is deducted from the net
revenue of the fines received.

Everybody supposedly thinks its good when govt "privitizes", and here
is an example of govt doing just that.

> (b) change the timing of the lights with such devices, in order to
> DRAMATICALLY shorten the time of the yellow light, a change which
> drastically increases the likelihood of your getting caught by the
> device?

I find that very hard to believe.

As as the claim of "revenue enhancement", allow me to note:

1) One city is installing the cameras at intersections with a
seriously high accident rate.  I'm familiar with these intersections,
and motorists routinely keep going even after the yellow goes to red.
In other words, these aren't questionable instances, but rather the
motorists entered the intersection clearly after their light went to
red.  The sloppy driving of motorists brought this enforcement onto
themselves.

2) My own town set up a speed trap and I watched it work.  The speed
limit was 25 mph on a narrow residential street and prominently
posted.  They set the flag cutoff at 40 mph.  Despite it being 40,
they still cited many drivers flying through.

3) At city council meetings, residents regularly come in to complain
about speeders on their local streets and demand the cops do something
about it.  City govt is under pressure from such residents.

The reality is that motorists, for a variety of reasons, are just too
damn impatient and drive too fast and recklessly.

Advocates for higher speeds claim roads are safer because fatalities
are down.  That is true, but fatalities are down because cars and
roads get safer--airbags, more people using seatbelts, better road
crash protection, less drunk drivers.

What the advocates don't say is that the basic accident rate
(including minor ones like 'fender benders') is sky high and total
property damage in dollars continues to climb.

I wish the cops didn't need cameras and speed traps, but motorists
have only themselves to blame.

------------------------------

From: Henry Cabot Henhouse III <sooper_chicken@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: NASA Van Crash in California Leaves 3 Dead
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:19:45 -0800


Oh my, how news accounts vary ... I was watching the live local TV news
coverage. A motorist saw the van drive off and called the CHP, who responded
very quickly.  Assessing the situation, they called for paramedics, etc. The
officers scaled down the treacherous terrain to see what they could do
 ... Nothing about a victim of the crash "climbing up" to get help...

Lisa Minter <lisa_minter2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:telecom23.586.2@telecom-digest.org ...

> By ROBERT JABLON, Associated Press Writer
> LA CANADA FLINTRIDGE, Calif. -

> A commuter van from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory tumbled 200 feet
> off a twisting mountain road Wednesday, killing three people and
> injuring seven, at least four of them seriously, authorities said.

> The van was carrying 10 people to the laboratory when it plunged off
> the Angeles Crest Highway in the Angeles National Forest at about 6:30
> a.m. Wednesday morning and rolled down a mountainside about 15 miles
> north of downtown Los Angeles, Los Angeles County Fire Department
> inspector Ron Haralson said.

> "One person was able to get out of the van and make his way up to the
> road" to get help, Haralson said.

> The van was carrying six employees of the lab in Pasadena, two
> contractors and two NASA employees, said Blaine Baggett, a spokesman
> at JPL, which is the control center for several NASA projects,
> including the Mars rovers. The victims' names were not immediately
> released.

> "It's a very, very sad day for all of us at JPL," Baggett said, adding
> that employees will be offered grief counseling.

> Three people were pronounced dead at the scene. One person was flung
> from the van. Others lay trapped in the battered white van in the
> middle of a dense forest until firefighters arrived and tore off the
> doors to reach victims, who were then taken by helicopter to
> hospitals.

> Of the survivors, one person was in critical condition, three were in
> serious condition, two had minor injuries and one person was still
> being evaluated, Haralson said.

> The cause of the accident was not immediately known. Clouds and fog
> shrouded the site, at an altitude of about 1,500 feet. Snow dotted
> flanks of the mountain, but the road itself was clear.

> Hundreds of cars a day travel the highway, a twisting, two-lane
> blacktop with steep drops. Commuters living in the Antelope Valley
> area northeast of Los Angeles use it as a shortcut to reach a freeway
> in Pasadena.

> About 450 of the 5,500 people who work at JPL participate in its
> vanpool program, which involves about 30 vans, Baggett said.

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The fact that one news source reported
it one way and another source reported it another way does not mean
the one contradicts the other. I am sure CHP had *many* phone calls 
about the matter right after it happened. I remember in 1972 when the
Illinois Central Railroad suburban train I was riding on collided with
the other suburban train leaving a few hundred people dead; as one of
the few (and probably first) person to walk off the train and view 
the carnage all around me, I of course walked a few steps to the 
nearest fire department 'call box' (as they were known in those days;
you opened the door on the little box and pulled the lever) and put in 
an alarm. Some people fleeing for their lives from another exit on
the train probably did the same thing from pay phones on the station
platform, etc. I did not wait for 'my' firemen to arrive and explain
myself; thirty seconds or a minute later when I heard the sirens in 
the distance and knew they were on the way, I walked out to the street
and flagged a cab and continued on my way to work. Later that day, the
_Chicago Daily News_ had me listed as the person who had first
notified authorities; on the TV news that evening, they interviewed
some excited lady who they said was first at the report.   PAT]

------------------------------

From: jim.woodward@genesis-data.com
Subject: Re: Anyone Using Avaya Communication Manager API?
Date: 10 Dec 2004 12:46:30 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


Chip,

Do you still require more information on CMAPI??  Or have you
resolved your problem??

Jim

------------------------------

From: phoneguide@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Question About ROLM PBX Telephones
Date: 10 Dec 2004 12:57:45 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


ROLM was originally an IBM CBX / PBX voice switching venture that was
in North America's arrival was purchased away from the German company
SEIMENS.  IBM made many advancements and improvements to the systems
proprietary operating system and architecture (Americanizing it).  IBM
later sold the ROLM CBX / PBX product back to SEIMENS for a handsome
profit.  

SEIMENS then revised the o/s and architecture with it's own
German touch.  Their new systems struggled mightly to hang on as third
most distributed voice switching platform in North America.  Consumers
and system administrators were clearly NOT impressed with what had been
re-engineered or otherwise taken back to a Version 1.0 release.  The
early versions of HICOM (SEIMENS revised ROLM) lost much of the market
it had locked into for years.  Loyal customers were no longer loyal to
the ROLM name.  A terrific interactive ROLM User Guide still exist and
serves those who still run on the american~ized ROLM 9751 9004 & 9005
platforms.  That web-site is http://www.9751.com

Joseph Bergstein wrote:

> In a message from Martin McCormick, he states:

>> The Rolm PBX'S are made by Seimens, as far as I know.

> ROLM PBX'x have been made by the Rolm Company since they were
founded. As I recall, ROLM actually started out manufacturing
MILSPEC Nova (Data General) computers in the early '70s.  I recall
seeing them as the console computer on early Amdahl 470 mainframes.

> Rolm PBXs up to and including the current 9751 are still made by
> ROLM. Since the ROLM - Siemens merger, and subsequent acquisition,
> the two firms indicate that they are merging their technology
> platforms, but so far Siemens does not make ROLM PBX's, per se
> (other than now owning the ROLM company).

------------------------------

From: Geoffrey Welsh <reply@newsgroup.please>
Subject: Re: Online Research Worries Many Educators
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:07:02 -0500


Ron Chapman wrote:

> It's all about EDITING.

Or, as I described it years ago, editorial responsibility.  Although
mistakes happen, CNN, the New York Times, Newsweek, and the
Encyclopedia Brittania invest a fair bit of time making sure that what
they publish is correct, or at least defensible.  

Of course, people who are not as concerned about editorial
responsibility -- or who lack the faculties to meet what you and I
might describe as editorial responsibility -- print all sorts of drivel
on flyers and hand them out to everyone who walks past them on the
street, but we can see the difference between those and publications.
And, as you point out with the dog comment, on the internet it can be
difficult to tell the difference between those who take editorial
responsibility seriously and those who don't.  We certainly can't
expect kids learning how to do research to know.

Geoffrey Welsh <Geoffrey [dot] Welsh [at] bigfoot [dot] com> 

------------------------------

From: Rick Merrill <RickMerrill@comTHROWcast.net>
Subject: Re: Dropping SBC For a VoIP Solution -- Vonage or Packet8 ??
Organization: Comcast Online
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:47:13 GMT


Ringo Langly wrote:

> Hi Rick,

> I guess I don't understand ... the Telephone Adapter (DTA310 in my
> case) has one RJ45 connector plus my ISP only allows one public IP
> address.  If I connect the Telephone Adapter to my cable modem first
> then it will get the public IP address -- not my router, which will
> leave my network without Internet access.

> I appriciate the suggestion, but either I've missed something or you're
> mistaken.  The only way to connect (unless I had two IP addresses from
> my ISP) is the way it is currently connected:

> Cablemodem >> Router >>  Telephone Adapter / Computers

Then your TA has no way to perform QoS (Quality of Service) and your
voice performance will suffer if any computer IO is happening at the
same time. You are forced to use phone OR computer but not both.

Sympathy,

Rick

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