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TELECOM Digest     Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:22:00 EST    Volume 23 : Issue 575

Inside This Issue:                            Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Lycos Offers Spam-Server Attack Program (Lisa Minter)
    Professional Data Recovery Book (Tarun Tyagi)
    Ohio Lawmakers OK Bill That Sends Spammers to Jail (Lisa Minter)
    Internet Society Announces New Board Members (Internet Society)
    Cell Tower Shared Facility Agreements (John R Levine)
    24-Hour Accurate Reverse Telephone Lookup Web Service (S Rockbridge)
    AuJoe Introduces Pay per Call Live Answering (Manuj Goyal)
    Internet Innovation Alliance: SBC's TipTOP Service Highlights (Minter)
    Re: Can't find Linksys IP (Rick Merrill)
    Re: Dropping SBC For a VoIP Solution - Vonage or Packet8 (Ringo Langly)
    Re: Data Communication Versus Telecommunications (Tom Niesen)
    Re: Trial Shows How Spammers Operate (T. Sean Weintz)
    Spam Gets Religion (TELECOM Digest Editor)

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From: Lisa Minter <lisa_minter2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: Lycos Offers Spam-Server Attack Program
Date: Wed,  1 Dec 2004 11:47:38 EST


MADRID, Spain - At the risk of breaching Internet civility, a European
Web portal is offering its visitors a weapon against spam: a
screensaver program that tries to choke spam servers by flooding them
with junk traffic.
 
As of Tuesday, about 65,000 people have signed up for the
controversial tool from the German-based Lycos Europe, whose sites get
20 million users monthly.

The company insists the technique is legal; it says the culprit
servers are simply choked a bit, not completely asphyxiated;  and
dismissed concerns that its "Make Love not Spam" offensive can further
clog the world's digital pipeline.

Still, computer experts are worried.

"You don't stop a bad thing by being bad yourself," said David Farber,
former chief technologist at the U.S. Federal Communications
Commission sites. "The idea of somebody coming and hitting you and you
hitting back, you both end up very hurt. It just aggrevates an already
serious problem."

When a computer with the free Lycos screensaver is idle, the program
sends junk commands to Web sites identified by Lycos as selling
products pitched in spam. When done in masse, this eats up precious
bandwidth, causing the sites to overload and slow down.

The goal, said Lycos Europe spokesman Kay Oberbeck, is to "show the
owners of such spam Web sites that there is massive interest of
thousands of users who are not willing to just give up against more
and more spam each day."

The targets generally are not the servers used to do the actual
mailings; these days, those servers are most often legitimate ones
co-opted into spamming by viruses and worms.

Lycos chooses its targets by reviewing lists of suspect sites
identified by independent spam monitors such as SpamCop. The company
said it checks each manually to make sure it genuinely carries
products promoted by spam, though Oberbeck acknowledged the risk of
going after a legitimate site that has been hijacked by a spam-spewing
site.

He said Lycos takes care not to crash spam servers altogether,
ensuring that they will never go below 5 percent bandwidth. Thus, he
said, the offensive isn't the same as denial-of-service attacks
commonly used by hackers to incapacitate Web sites.

Cyberspace activism such as virtual sit-ins in which computer users
gang together and use automated tools to flood a Web site is not
entirely new, said Dorothy Denning, a professor of defense analysis at
the Navy Postgraduate School in Monterey, Calif.

But in this case a for-profit company is the driving force.

"The interesting question is whether or not that company might be
liable under some law, and would probably be liable, certainly, at
least under a lawsuit by the spammers," she said.

Denning believes any impact on spamming will be minor at best. Though
spam sites have to pay for bandwidth required for the extra traffic,
she said, "the cost off adding extra bandwidth may be worth the reward
that comes from spamming."
 

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From: tyagi_st@yahoo.com (Tarun Tyagi)
Subject: Professional Data Recovery Book
Date: 1 Dec 2004 08:52:46 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


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From: Lisa Minter <lisa_minter2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: Ohio Lawmakers OK Bill That Sends Spammers to Jail
Date: Wed,  1 Dec 2004 11:41:04 EST


SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Ohio legislators sent an anti-spam bill to
Gov. Bob Taft on Tuesday, with the aim of joining other U.S. states
that have laws that put people who flood the Web with junk e-mail
behind bars.

The bill, first introduced in January and already approved by the
state Senate, overwhelmingly passed the Ohio House of Representatives
on Tuesday, said an aide to Rep. Kathleen Walcher, who co-sponsored
the bill.

Taft could not be immediately reached for comment. One industry source
said the Ohio governor is expected to sign the bipartisan anti-spam
bill.

If signed into law, it would outlaw Internet ads that are deceptive or
misleading and ban people from setting up false accounts to send spam,
the junk e-mail that clogs consumers' online mailboxes and taxes the
resources of Internet service providers.

The measure would also allow the state attorney general to impose
criminal and civil sanctions against spammers.

The worst violators could face a minimum of six months in jail as well
as fines of $25,000 per violation, or $2 to $8 million per conviction
for violating e-mail. Their computer equipment could be confiscated,
and Internet providers could sue for damages.

AOL spokesman Nicholas Graham called the Ohio bill "one of the
strongest anti-spam measures in the country." Graham said the bill is
aimed only at the worst offenders who use fraud, deception and evasion
to get their messages in front of consumers.

"This is not meant to snag grandma sending her oatmeal cookie recipe,"
he said.

AOL, a unit of Time Warner Inc.  said it worked closely with the
bill's sponsors.

The Ohio bill was modeled after the federal CAN-SPAM Act but adds
tougher penalties. Maryland has adopted an anti-spam law with criminal
penalties and Virginia recently used its state law to send a North
Carolina man to prison for sending hundreds of thousands of spam
e-mail messages.

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From: Internet Society <press-owner@isoc.org>
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:51:03 +0100
Subject: Internet Society Announces New Board Members


Internet Society Announces New Board Members for Public Interest Registry 

Reston, VA - 29th November 2004 - The Internet Society (ISOC) today
announced the selection and approval of three board members for the
Public Interest Registry (PIR).

Following expiry of her current term on the PIR board, Eva Frelich
returns for a further three years. Susan Estrada and Barbara Fraser
were elected to replace outgoing board members Frode Greisen and Kenny
Huang, also for three year terms.

"These appointments further strengthen PIR's unique position as the
only registry dedicated to supporting the global noncommercial
community," said Fred Baker, Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the
Internet Society.

Eva Frelich has a depth of experience in International forums
including ITU, ETSI, ICANN, and CENTR. From 1998 to 2001 Eva acted as
a Board Member for CENTR. In addition, Eva has worked for the
incumbent Swedish Telecommunications Company Telia, NIC-SE the
registry for the Swedish tld .se, and Neustar, the registry for .biz
and .us.

Susan Estrada, president of Aldea Communications, is the director of
CENIC's One Gigabit or Bust Initiative. She is responsible for
bringing together the interests of research, education, commerce,
state and local government and the general public to develop an action
plan for delivery of one gigabit broadband capabilities to every
educational institution, business and home in California by 2010. She
was also a founder of the Commercial Internet Exchange (CIX), a former
area director for the Internet Engineering Software Group (IESG) and
the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF).

Barbara Fraser is currently the Manager of the Security and Integrity
Consulting Engineering Group for Cisco Systems, Inc. Her current
activities and interests include improving IPsec protocols. She
participates in Cisco's IPsec Steering Group, and is also an advisor
to Cisco's product security incident response team (PSIRT). Barbara
has a long experience as an active member of the Internet Engineering
Task Force (IETF).

Susan Estrada and Barbara Fraser are both former Trustees of the
Internet Society.

"I am delighted that Eva Frelich will continue her excellent work for
PIR," said Lynn St. Amour, President and CEO of the Internet
Society. "I also very much look forward to welcoming Susan and Barbara
to the PIR Board - their extensive experience of supporting public
interest initiatives will be of immense benefit to us as we plan PIR's
future development."

PIR is a not-for-profit organization that was created by ISOC to
manage the .ORG top-level domain in an exemplary manner. PIR, which
has a partnership with Ireland-based Afilias Ltd. to perform all
technical services, is charged with overall responsibility for the
 .ORG registry and focuses particularly on the establishment of
policies that support the .ORG community and help the domain name
space evolve responsibly. Surpluses generated by PIR's .ORG domain
registration revenues are allocated to the sponsorship of
ISOC-managed public interest programs.

The 2005 PIR Board consists of the following members:

- Marc Rotenberg - Chairman
- Amadeu Abril i Abril
- Eva Frelich
- Susan Estrada
- Barbara Fraser
- Geoff Huston
- Glenn Ricart
- Lynn St. Amour - Ex-officio ISOC liaison

ABOUT ISOC

The Internet Society (www.isoc.org) is a not-for-profit membership
organization founded in 1991 to provide leadership in Internet related
standards, education, and policy. With offices in Washington, DC, and
Geneva, Switzerland, it is dedicated to ensuring the open development,
evolution and use of the Internet for the benefit of people throughout
the world. ISOC is the organizational home of the Internet Engineering
Task Force (IETF) and other Internet-related bodies who together play
a critical role in ensuring that the Internet develops in a stable and
open manner. For over 13 years ISOC has run international network
training programs for developing countries and these have played a
vital role in setting up the Internet connections and networks in
virtually every country connecting to the Internet during this time.

ABOUT PIR

Public Interest Registry (www.pir.org) is a not-for-profit corporation
created by the Internet Society (ISOC) to manage the .ORG top-level
domain. PIR's mission is to manage the .ORG domain in a manner that
supports the continuing evolution of the Internet as a research,
education and communications infrastructure, while educating and
empowering the non-commercial community to most effectively utilize
the Internet. PIR is based in Reston, Virginia.

FOR FURTHER DETAILS: 

Internet Society: www.isoc.org

Peter Godwin
Communications Manager
E-mail: godwin@isoc.org

Internet Society
4, rue des Falaises
1205 Geneva
Switzerland

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Date: 1 Dec 2004 02:43:28 -0500
From: John R Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
Subject: Cellt Tower Shared Facility Agreements


We're building a new water tower on top of which will be at least
three and possibly as many as six wireless carrier antennas.  Rather
than have a ghetto of outbuildings, I'd rather put all their stuff
into one larger building.  They're OK with that, but we need to
formalize the agreement.

I'm looking for agreements about shared buildings in connection with
cell towers.  We have the tower leases, what we need is an add-on for
shared buildings laying out the responsibility for maintenance,
insurance, etc.

All leads welcome.  Agreements where the landlord is a municipality
are particularly welcome.  TIA and all that.

Regards,

John Levine johnl@iecc.com Primary Perpetrator of The Internet for Dummies,
Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://iecc.com/johnl, Mayor
"I dropped the toothpaste", said Tom, crestfallenly.

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From: rockbridge@gmail.com (Sterling Rockbridge)
Subject: 24-Hour Accurate Reverse Telephone Lookup Web Service
Date: 1 Dec 2004 06:16:50 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


StrikeIron is offering a SOAP and REST based Web service that does
live reverse telephone lookup that is accurate up to 24 hours, not a
year old like some of the sites I've tried this on. Because it is a
WSDL-based Web service, it can be built into applications and scripts.

I believe they can go the other way too, from name/company and/or
address to retrieving the phone number live again with 24 hours
accuracy (live feed from phone companies)

Any one try it?

http://www.strikeiron.com/Search.aspx?SearchString=reverse%20phone%20lookup

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From: Manuj Goyal <manuj.goyal@frontofficeusa.com>
Subject: Aujoe Introduces Pay-Per-Call Pricing for Live Phone Answering
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:00:00 EST


	Contact Name: Manuj Goyal, Front Office USA LLC
	Contact Phone: 212-300-0000
	Web Address: http://www.aujoe.com/

Wilmington, DE - November 30, 2004  Aujoes Pay-Per-Call (PPC)
pricing for Live Telephone Answering and Call Center Services will
radically improve Telephone Support Services for Small To Mid Size
Companies.

Aujoe Answering Services, brought forth by Front Office USA LLC, is
managed by a team that collectively has decades of experience with
Telecom Technology, managing Call Centers and delivering Customer
Service. The unique PPC pricing plans were formulated to offer a
simpler and friendlier service for SMEs.

Small Business, Contractors, Health Care providers use Telephone
Answering Services for different business needs from Message Taking
and Remote Receptionist to Order Taking, Service Dispatch, Enquiry
Logging or Trouble Ticket Issuing functions. These businesses cannot
afford a full time dedicated staff for such job functions and since
these functions are carried out on a telephone; they are traditionally
outsourced to an Answering Service.

While traditional answering service providers want subscribers to
enter into a commitment with them and ask for monthly call volume, the
types of calls they get and the traffic hours; Aujoe Answering Service
has introduced a unique pre-paid model, without any contract
commitments and a transparent 'pay per call' pricing. Aujoe offers
plans where its subscribers get a price break on increasing call
volume.

The PPC pricing has been achieved by Aujoe by creation of defined call
center handling processes for each business service and by automation
of the entire signup and setup process thereby achieving significant
efficiencies of scale and process management.

The unique pricing model and the process driven call center services
will help small and mid-size companies to service their customers more
professionally and efficiently. Aujoe Answering Services brings the
advantages of large outsourced call center services, typically enjoyed
by Fortune 500 companies to the SMEs for the first time.

By creating simpler, friendlier services and plans, Aujoe is saving
its subscribers thousands of dollars every year while giving them
access to the best in class practices developed and practiced by large
call outsourcing companies.

About Front Office USA LLC

Front Office USA is a provider of global 'Contact Management Services'.

Front Office USA offers world-class teleservices that empower its
subscribers to work more effectively and productively. All this can be
achieved at significantly lower costs as compared to similar
businesses still mired in traditional management methods, technologies
and delivery models.

Readers may learn more about Aujoe Answering Service through the
website: http://www.aujoe.com/

For more information or an interview, please contact Manuj Goyal,
VP, Sales at mediarelations@frontofficeusa.com or call 212-300-0000.

------------------------------

From: Lisa Minter <lisa_minter2001@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:01:43 -0500
Subject: Internet Innovation Alliance: SBC's TipTOP Service Highlights


Jack Decker Comment: I am no longer actively monitoring VoIP news per
se, but this came up in my search of SBC-related news for the
MI-Telecom group, hence the crosspost.  This does NOT mean that the
VoIP News has been reactivated, just that those who did not
unsubscribe may receive a *very occasional* crosspost like this one,
since it only takes me about two seconds to add an additional
recipient.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/11-30-2004/0002555213&STORY&EDATE=

Internet Innovation Alliance: SBC's TipTOP Service Highlights Need for
FCC Intervention
 
WASHINGTON, Nov. 30 /PRNewswire/ -- The SBC was recently admonished in
a strongly worded statement by FCC Chairman Powell for its efforts to
charge Voice-over Internet Protocol (VoIP) providers higher access
fees.  SBC has been overly aggressive in state regulatory battles and
has been acting in a manner inconsistent with statements made by the
FCC on the issue of VoIP and emerging technologies.  Chairman Michael
Powell has made it clear publicly that he is committed to ensuring
that the FCC avoid any action that might slow the "IP-services
revolution."

    In response, the Internet Innovation Alliance (IIA), which was
formed in part to prevent the very type of legacy regulations being
levied by SBC, made the following statement: 

"SBC's charging of higher fees to VoIP providers through its TipTOP
'service' is discriminatory in nature and is a dangerous first step
toward eradicating the vast array of benefits services like VoIP will
provide to consumers," said Larry Irving, co-chair of IIA.  "VoIP
promises great consumer benefits provided it remains unburdened by
regulations and access fees, like TipTOP.  SBC apparently missed the
memo or chose to ignore it in the face of larger profits."

"The SBC has sent an unmistakable signal of defiance to the FCC,"
continued Bruce Mehlman, co-chair of IIA.  "Chairman Powell has been
clear that he does not intend to allow old copper-wire phone
regulations to be applied to the newest digital data networks.  SBC is
picking a fight it cannot and should not win, and we expect the
Commission to continue driving innovation through competition and
non-regulation of VOIP."

IIA believes that for America to realize broadband's revolutionary
potential, federal and state officials must maintain regulatory and
tax policies that encourage innovations made possible by mass-market
broadband.  IIA members include several VoIP leaders, including AT&T,
pulver.com, Covad, Comptel/ASCENT, CapNet and the Information
Technology Association of America.  Other members include Americans
for Tax Reform and the American Conservative Union.

SOURCE Internet Innovation Alliance
Web Site: http://www.internetinnovation.org 

------------------------------

From: Rick Merrill <RickMerrill@comTHROWcast.net>
Subject: Re: Can't Find Linksys IP
Organization: Comcast Online
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:41:54 GMT


BHAM KAL wrote:

> Hi,

> I am using Vonage at home. My Linksys wireless router is connected to
> Vonage unit and the Vonage unit is connected to the incoming cable
> modem. I have not logged into the wireless router in a while, now I
> forgot it's IP address, how do I find it?

> Thanks. 

192.168.1.1 most likely

------------------------------

From: rlangly@gmail.com (Ringo Langly)
Subject: Re: Dropping SBC For a VoIP Solution -- Vonage or Packet8 ??
Date: 1 Dec 2004 07:35:17 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


trb_1217@yahoo.com (tgreen) wrote in message
news:<telecom23.572.12@telecom-digest.org>:

> Ringo, 

> I am looking forward to your review. I recently went through a similar
> VOIP company comparison and I settled on Sunrocket.  They are a new
> company, but so far I have had a good experience.  I tried them out
> because it seemed pretty risk free -- no sign up, activation, or
> cancellation charges.  I hope you have a good experience.  I think
> VOIP is going to get pretty big over the next year.

Hi everyone,

Well last night the Packet8 router (or whatever it is) arrived, and in
about 10 minutes it was activated and I had a dialtone.  The first
thing I did was run a speedtest on DSLReports.com, and I was sitting
at around 2.4Mbps down and 350Kbps up (nothing else on network
active), which is about normal for me.

I made my first call to my landline (SBC), and the first thing I
noticed was the delay.  It was generally less then 1/2 a second, but
it's enough where two people will step on one another while talking.
I called the Packet8 tech support, and they said there generally is
some delay, but it's should be no more then 50-100ms, which is hardly
noticeable.  Mine was more like 1/4-1/2 second delay.  This doesn't
sound like a biggie, but it breaks-up the casual flow of conversation.

I then started firing-off some of my other applications, like iTunes
(stream is 128K), Azureus (limited to 5K upload and 1500K download),
email, and all my other web-based apps I usually run.  With all this
running I did another speed test, and I was down to about 1.1 Mbps
down and 300Kbps up, which is still well within the 20Kbps or so
required by Packet8.

The sound quality is excellent, and caller ID, voicemail, and
everything thus far works great.  I even updated the firmware in the
router, but the delay is still there.  If anything is the killer it'll
be the delay -- but I'll give it a full try for the next few weeks.

I didn't sign any contract or anything, but it's free for the first
month if I don't like it and send it back -- given I don't go over 300
minutes.  The reasons I want to drop SBC is mainly because I'm paying
$37/month and most VoIP services are closer to $20-$25/month.  Plus my
SBC line likes to quit working when it rains, and though I've told SBC
exactly where the problem is they still haven't fixed it.

Bottom line, the delay is annoying, but outside of that the service
works great. I'll post another review later after I use it for a week
or so.

Ringo

------------------------------

From: tjniesen@hotmail.com (Tom Niesen)
Subject: Re: Data Communication Versus Telecommunications
Date: 1 Dec 2004 08:13:55 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


I guess I'm a 'data boy', but also 'phone boy'. Not that it matters to
me but in my group we consider telecommunitcations to refer to the
installation, use, service, and maintenance of telephones, systems,
infrastructure, and related products. Data-com is refered to computer
communications end of the field.

Tom 

Al Gillis <alg@aracnet.com> wrote in message
news:<telecom23.574.4@telecom-digest.org>:

> Justin Time <a_user2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:telecom23.573.12@telecom-digest.org:

>> jrefactors@hotmail.com (Matt) wrote in message
>> news:<telecom23.572.7@telecom-digest.org>:

>>> When people say telecommunications, it implies data communications,
>>> correct? I want to know if data communication and telecommunications
>>> usually are used interchangably.

>>> Please advise. thanks!!

>>> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: In the Usenet hierarchy, 'telecom' is
>>> one of the sub-groups under the larger category 'dcom'. I would say
>>> the two terms are mostly interchangeable, but data communications
>>> does include a lot more than just voice.  PAT]

>> The meaning would have to depend on the context.  The more general
>> term is telecommunications, having two major divisions, voice and
>> data.  The reason telecom -- voice is a sub-group of dcom -- data
>> communications on the Internet newsgroups is due to the original focus
>> of the Internet, computer-to-computer communications.  As far as the
>> history goes, data communications in the form of telegraphy pre-dates
>> telephony or voice communications.  My understanding of the word
>> telecommunications is that it encompasses every form of communication
>> that was carried by wire (before the age of wireless.)

>> Rodgers Platt

> My views follow the logic expressed by Rodgers Platt ... I construe
> "Telecommunications" as electronic communications (or maybe even just
> electrical communications) of which there are a bunch of flavors:
> voice, data (either the old 1BM kind of data communications or the
> newer IP kind, made popular by Cisco, 3Com and that ilk), video (as in
> Video conferencing or even television) and possibly even Morse code!

> I've noticed that recently the "Data Boys" seem to think Telecom
> refers to voice-related communications.  I think that's because they
> know little of the history of this art/science and they don't know the
> etymology of the word telecommunications.

> Per the Encyclopedia Britannica:

> Telecommunications: The science and practice of transmitting
> information by electromagnetic means. A wide variety of information
> can be transferred through a telecommunications system, including
> voice and music, still-frame ...

> So there!

> Al

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From: T. Sean Weintz <strap@hanh-ct.org>
Subject: Re: Trial Shows How Spammers Operate
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:27:20 -0500
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com


Scott Dorsey wrote:

> Right, these addresses are not in the same space, and they have
> different rDNS.  Otherwise, DNSBLs which listed all dynamic space
> would be listing them as well.

Um, they ARE in the same space, and most DNSBLs that claim to list
Comcast dynamic space DO list them, much to my frustration.

> Part of the problem is that ISPs don't use any uniform naming system
> for addresses, so it can sometimes be a real adventure to figure out
> what a given address is until you figure out their naming scheme.  And
> there are some out there that don't set any rDNS at all, too.

> --scott

*Never* rely on rdns unless it's your own.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:52:05 PST
From: Patrick Townson <ptownson@telecom-digest.org>
Subject: Spam Gets Religion


By Dan Ilett

E-mail recipients are increasingly being offered religious salvation
through bulk, unsolicited e-mail.

  http://news.com.com/Spam+gets+religion/2100-1032_3-5459848.html?tag=sas.email

Read all technology news from this week:
http://www.news.com/thisweeksheadlines/

Copyright 2004 CNET Networks, Inc. All rights reserved.
CNET Networks, Inc.
235 Second Street
San Francisco, CA 94105
U.S.A.

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You may want to check this out. It
seems the spam detection things are having a problem with religious
mailing lists (validly ordered by netizens who wish to receive that
sort of thing such as literature on line from Catholic publishers) and
the scam things sent out by the person who wonders if they can
interest you in helping them by taking a few million dollars off their
hands to be used to assist 'christian good works' with charities as
'her late husband directed in his will', and some legitimate charities
of a religious nature.  The spam detection things are dumping it all,
it seems; good, legitimate, bad, scam, whatever. 

Oh, and now just today I received a new twist on the 'please take this
money off my hands' scam. The scammer/spammers are taking the
legitimate email addresses of the **military guys** in Iraq and using
them (the legitimate, but ill-gotten email addresses) to tell you how
they have come across lots of money in Iraq (either buried in the
rubble of one of the war sites or wherever) and can you help them by
holding the money until they return to the USA, 'if I get back alive;
if not *you* distribute the money for me.'

Evil, evil, evil! If DDOS works to put these fools out of business,
I say go for it. What the hell, email on the net has become mostly
useless in the last few months anyway. PAT] 

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