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TELECOM Digest     Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:46:00 EST    Volume 23 : Issue 567

Inside This Issue:                             Happy Thanksgiving to All! 

    Comcast Will Raise Cable Rates in January (Monty Solomon)
    Iconic Grilled Cheese Feeds Internet Frenzy (Monty Solomon)
    'Frontline' Files an Eye-Opening Credit Report (Monty Solomon)
    FCC Chief Has Had Quite a Year (Monty Solomon)
    Telecom Bill Will Position Pennsylvania as National Leader (M Solomon)
    Re: Sears and K-Mart (Steve Sobol)
    Re: Sears and K-Mart (NoSpamForMe)
    Re: Anyone Having any Luck With Google Ads? (DevilsPGD)
    Re: What Wal-Mart Knows About Customers' Habits (DevilsPGD)
    Re: How to Pronounce "Skype" (DevilsPGD)
    Re: How to Pronounce "Skype" (Noam Avnery)
    Re: Bofra Exploit Hits The Register ad Serving Supplier (Robert Bonomi)
    Re: A-la-carte Pricing For Cable and Satellite TV (Neal Mclain)
    Re: How Do I Learn an Unknown Number? (Bill Burns)
    Re: How Do I Learn an Unknown Number? (Herb Stein)
    Re: The Persuaders (Henry)

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:49:57 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Comcast Will Raise Cable Rates in January


By Peter J. Howe, Globe Staff 

In what has become as much of a Thanksgiving tradition as stuffed 
turkey and football, Comcast Corp. moved yesterday to raise New 
England cable television rates by an average 5.9 percent starting in 
January.

Actual increases vary among towns, however, and in Boston consumers
will see the smallest rate increase in 15 years, city officials said.
Comcast, which now controls cable systems formerly operated by a
half-dozen different operators, is moving toward standardizing rates
in the more than 350 New England communities where it provides cable
TV.

In Massachusetts, the average monthly price for standard cable service
will rise to $45.95 from $43.39, excluding whatever franchise fee the
local government charges, according to Comcast spokeswoman Jennifer
L. Khoury.

Digital cable packages will increase by an average of $1, offset by a
45-cent-per-month reduction in the cable set-top box rental fee in
about 95 percent of Bay State communities serviced by Comcast. The
company has over 1.5 million customers in Massachusetts.

http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2004/11/24/comcast_will_raise_cable_rates_in_january/ 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:54:30 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Iconic Grilled Cheese Feeds Internet Frenzy


By Don Aucoin, Globe Staff 

Diana Duyser will become $28,000 richer today, stand at the center of
a media spotlight, and embark on a nationwide tour starring herself --
and all it cost her was a 10-year-old sandwich.

Not just any sandwich, of course. In one of the more bizarre sequences
of the Internet era -- or any era -- Duyser reaped her windfall by
going on eBay to auction off a grilled cheese sandwich on which, she
claims, resides the image of none other than the Virgin Mary. In only
two weeks, the posting triggered nearly 2 million page views, making
it one of most popular listings in eBay's history.

Equally remarkable was the viruslike speed with which the online
auction site became crowded with scores of products that were
half-spoof, half-spinoff: Virgin Mary Grilled Cheese lunchboxes,
greeting cards, T-shirts featuring President Bush and posters of
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger of California with the sandwich,
refrigerator magnets, paintings, a "Low Carb Virgin Mary Grilled
Cheese recipe," even an Internet domain address.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2004/11/24/iconic_grilled_cheese_feeds_internet_frenzy/

Bidding ends at $28K for cheese sandwich

November 23, 2004

HOLLYWOOD, Fla. -- A woman who said her 10-year-old grilled cheese
sandwich bore the image of the Virgin Mary will be getting a lot more
bread after the item sold for $28,000 on eBay .

GoldenPalace.com, an online casino, confirmed that it placed the
winning bid, and company executives said they were willing to spend
"as much as it took" to own the 10-year-old half-sandwich with a bite
out of it.

http://www.boston.com/news/odd/articles/2004/11/23/bidding_ends_at_28k_for_cheese_sandwich/

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:23:41 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: 'Frontline' Files an Eye-Opening Credit Report


TELEVISION REVIEW

By Joanna Weiss, Globe Staff  |  November 22, 2004

All you really need to know about the credit card industry can be
summed up in the look on Ed Yingling's face as he sits across from
reporter Lowell Bergman in this week's " Frontline " episode.
Yingling is the top lobbyist for the banking industry and, more
specifically, the flak catcher, sent out to answer every query
assembled by the research arms of PBS and The New York Times.

And when Bergman asks why no major credit card companies will talk to
him, Yingling looks knowingly, almost apologetically wry. "They pay us
dues," he says, "to handle these kinds of sometimes-difficult
assignments."

Yes, it's pretty clear that if "Frontline" sets out to examine the $30
billion credit card industry, the banks aren't going to be the good
guys. And "Secret History of the Credit Card," the hourlong show that
airs tomorrow at 9 p.m. on WGBH-TV (Channel 2), is a damning report
about an industry that preys on consumer naivete and, perhaps just as
disturbing, the consumers who run willingly into its traps.

Just in time for the holiday spending season, "Frontline" does us the
service of finally reading the fine print on those long, eye-numbing
credit card contracts, and what's inside isn't pleasant: fees that
generate increasing amounts of revenue, loan rates that can quickly
climb as high as 30 percent and can be changed at any time, even if,
for example, you're late paying an unrelated bill. The result is a
teetering financial crisis: The average American family carries $7,500
in credit card debt.

<http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2004/11/22/frontline_files_an_eye_opening_credit_report/>

Secret History of the Credit Card 
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/credit/

Watch online
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/credit/view/

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:25:25 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: FCC Chief Has Had Quite a Year


LIFE IN THE POP LANE

By Rene Graham, Globe Staff

It's the season for Time editors to mull possible candidates for its 
2004 Person of the Year. According to the magazine's criteria, the 
final selection will be "the person or persons who most affected the 
news and our lives, for good or ill, and embodied what was important 
about the year, for better or worse."

To that end, among those being considered are filmmakers Michael 
Moore and Mel Gibson, as well as White House adviser Karl Rove, who 
has been largely credited as the mastermind behind President Bush's 
reelection.

Interesting choices all, but here's an even better suggestion -- 
Michael Powell, chairman of the Federal Communications Commission.

 From driving Howard Stern to announce a 2006 move to satellite radio 
to making ABC affiliates so skittish about airing a film with graphic 
violence and profanity that more than a third canceled a Veterans Day 
airing of "Saving Private Ryan," no individual this year has had a 
greater effect on our cultural lives -- for good or ill, for better 
or worse -- than Powell.

He was again in the news last week for criticizing ABC's ill-advised 
opening for "Monday Night Football," featuring a towel-clad 
Nicollette Sheridan, of "Desperate Housewives," seducing Terrell 
Owens of the Philadelphia Eagles. The FCC is considering opening an 
investigation that could result in a fine against ABC.

Created in 1934, the FCC, according to its website, is "charged with 
regulating interstate and international communications by radio, 
television, wire, satellite and cable." Yet as this nation continues 
its unnerving lurch toward conservative sanctimony, Powell, nominated 
to the FCC in 1997 by President Clinton and designated chairman by 
President Bush in 2001, has positioned himself as our country's top 
cop for good taste and cultural propriety.

<http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2004/11/23/fcc_chief_has_had_quite_a_year

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:22:57 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Telecom Bill Will Position Pennsylvania as National Leader


       Telecom Bill Will Position Pennsylvania as National Leader in
       Advanced Telecommunications, Broadband Deployment
       - Nov 24, 2004 03:57 PM (PR Newswire)

Facts Disprove Coalition's Misleading Claims

HARRISBURG, Pa., Nov. 24 /PRNewswire/ -- Contrary to misleading claims
by competitors, a recent telecommunications bill passed by the
Pennsylvania General Assembly represents the most aggressive,
comprehensive broadband network deployment plan in the United States,
providing significant benefits for the state's consumers, as well as
its educational and business communities.

In a recent news release, the Pennsylvania Carriers' Coalition claimed
that telecom competition is threatened here and that Pennsylvania lags
behind other states in broadband services.

       - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=45239818

------------------------------

From: Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
Subject: Re: Sears and K-Mart
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:48:36 -0800
Organization: Glorb Internet Services, http://www.glorb.com


Lisa Hancock wrote:

> 1) Security: It is in a blue collar neighborhood that while not the
> worst, it is not the best either.  The cable company does have a
> public office, but it is very tiny and basially only a thick security
> window through which to transact business.  I think both utilities are
> justifiably concerned about a patron being dangerous.

> 2) Consistency: I suspect Verizon chose to go to a region-wide policy
> of no visitors for operating consistency, important when training and
> supporting a large group of employees.

> 3) Cost: It may be cheaper to have contracted official payment agents
> rather than have company employees do it.  Some such agents charge a
> fee to the payer.  Years ago many people did not have checking
> accounts and needed this, today more people have such accounts (though
> not all.)

4) Your Verizon used to be Bell Atlantic, my Verizon used to be GTE?

Lisa Hancock wrote:

> 1) Security: It is in a blue collar neighborhood that while not the
> worst, it is not the best either.  The cable company does have a
> public office, but it is very tiny and basially only a thick security
> window through which to transact business.  I think both utilities are
> justifiably concerned about a patron being dangerous.

The Verizon Plus store, incidentally, is located in a middle-class
neighborhood, so crime isn't too much of an issue, although it's not
too far from a few other neighborhoods where it might be an issue.

JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
Apple Valley, California     Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.

------------------------------

From: NoSpamForMe <KeepYourSpam@not.here.net>
Subject: Re: Sears and K-Mart
Organization: AT&T Worldnet
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 16:57:58 GMT


Lisa Hancock <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote in message 
news:telecom23.566.2@telecom-digest.org:

> Verizon (Bell of PA) has a large suburban building just like you
> describe.  Indeed, it once held a business office.  So it's reasonable
> to ask why it isn't open to public walk-ins.

> I don't know their reasonings, but my guess is as follows:

> 1) Security:  (...snip...)
> 2) Consistency: (...snip...)
> 3) Cost: (....snip...)

4) Liability?  It's got to be cheaper insurance-wise & risk management-wise 
to prohibit public access.
Makes sense to me, anyhow. 

------------------------------

From: DevilsPGD <devilspgd@crazyhat.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone Having any Luck With Google Ads?
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:18:23 -0700
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com


In message <telecom23.565.10@telecom-digest.org>
bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) wrote:

> It _is_ possible to get a 'fairly' accurate count of how many times
> any ad was actually "seen" by people viewing your page.  It *does*
> require a fair amount of skill in web-page programming, however.
> Starting with reverse- engineering the 'drop-in' code provided by
> google.  Then you replace their target URL with a reference to a
> 'unique' URL on _your_own_ server.  _THAT_ page does not 'really'
> exist.  it just returns a 'redirect' to the _actual_ google ad image.
> *BUT*, you get a 'hit' in _your_ logs on that dummy page, every time
> the ad is pulled up.

You don't need to go to all the hassle of redirecting it, just add a
second JS block (above or below) which points to a location on your
website.

> Note, _even_ this method will somewhat *overstate* the actual counts.
> Not just for Google, but for anybody who in the business of 'serving'
> ads -- e.g.  doubleclick.com *spit* -- the ads tend to live on
> _dedicated_ machines in the source domain.  An INCREASING number of
> people are using 'router' filters that block _any_ access to those
> *specific* servers.  As a result, when the web-browser tries to
> retrieve the ad, the router blocking steps in, and returns either a
> 'host not found', or 'page not found' error, and the 'request' _never_
> even gets to the server to be counted.

It can be part of the browser (FireFox' Adblocker extension, for
instance) too.


The cigarette does the smoking, you're just the sucker.

------------------------------

From: DevilsPGD <devilspgd@crazyhat.net>
Subject: Re: What Wal-Mart Knows About Customers' Habits
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:18:23 -0700
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com


In message <telecom23.565.8@telecom-digest.org>
bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) wrote:

>> Sure.  However, since the customer can request cash back it's another
>> way to steal.  The cashier fakes problems scanning an item, punches in
>> the amount manually as cash, and gives the customer the item.

>> The customer isn't over charged, so has no reason to complain.
>> The cashier's till is now over -- Now she just needs to grab the cash
>> at some point during the transaction.

> No, the till is _not_ over.  Punching in the amount as 'cash due'
> instead of scanning the item, is no different than scanning the item
> itself, as far as the cash balance in the till goes.  The *only*
> difference is in the store 'inventory', where the proper item was
> -not- deducted from the count.

I wasn't clear enough ... Not "Punches the amount as cash from the
customer", I meant "punches in a cash back request for the same
amount"

In essence a cash back request means the customer is purchasing cash
from the till.  This gets the cash out of the till (and into the
cashier's pocket), plus of course it screws up inventory.

Another twist would be to activate a $20 gift card instead of ringing
up a purchase of just over $20.  This would be more likely to get
caught though, since you then have to spend the gift card at some
point.

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You make it sound as though local
> acceptance of local C of C gift certificates is going to be a major,
> massive processing operation in a small town like ours. You make it
> sound as though joining the local C of C in a small town to show
> support of other community merchants and share tips, ideas, etc is
> going to cause a major outlay for Walmart. You make it sound as though
> any modicum of customer service and goodwill is going to have an
> effect on their 'lower prices'. 

Unfortunately doing anything unique / "local" will probably cost more
money in the bureaucracy of accounting for the C of C gift
certificates then they could possibly bring in.

> Walmart does have its own gift 'certificates' in the form of prepaid
> plastic credit cards, branded in their own name, in the 6011 series
> of numbers. Those are processed like credit card sales at the cash
> register, and must cost them something to process.

As a general rule those cards make money due to administration fees
that let Walmart keep the leftover money if a card gets lost or
destroyed, or otherwise goes unused.  Plus, like all gift certificate
type programs, it gets the money out of the customer's hand sooner,
which means Walmart can invest the money now.

The cost to manage the cards shouldn't be substantial.

The cigarette does the smoking, you're just the sucker.

------------------------------

From: DevilsPGD <devilspgd@crazyhat.net>
Subject: Re: How to Pronounce "Skype"
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:18:23 -0700
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com


In message <telecom23.565.5@telecom-digest.org> dnoam@il.ibm.com (Noam
Avnery) wrote:

> Is it like "Hype" or like "Sky-pee"?

Hype ... 

The cigarette does the smoking, you're just the sucker.

------------------------------

From: dnoam@il.ibm.com (Noam Avnery)
Subject: Re: How to Pronounce "Skype"
Date: 25 Nov 2004 00:30:41 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<telecom23.566.4@telecom-digest.org>:

> When in doubt google!

> http://www.skype.com/help/faq/

> Rhymes with ripe, hype, type, tripe, swipe, etc.

True, true {blush}.
Thanks for the reply.
Another phrase to go along with RTFM I guess.

------------------------------

Organization: Robert Bonomi Consulting
Subject: Re: Bofra Exploit Hits The Register ad Serving Supplier
From: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:11:38 +0000


Does anybody else find the following to be inconsistent 'spin' ?

In article <telecom23.566.5@telecom-digest.org>,
Monty Solomon  <monty@roscom.com> wrote:

> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/23/register_restores_adserver/

> Register restores ad service
> By Team Register

[[..  munch  ..]]

> At a rough guess, the number of Reg readers exposed to the Bofra
> /IFrame exploit was in the low hundreds.  ...


> During the period Falk's service was compromised -- between 6.10am and
> 12.30pm on Saturday, 11660 unique individuals using Windows and IE6
                       ==============================================

[[..  munch  ..]]

> readers looked at three pages a pop. So that's around 35,000 pages in
> which the rogue ad could have been served. According to Falk, one in
> 30 requests for a banner ad were redirects to the site containing the
> bofra worm. If this is correct around 1,170 rogue ads were served on
                                 ======================
> our site.

Is this some kind of metric measurement, where 1,170 is in the "_low_
hundreds" ??  <grin>

> We apologise again for exposing readers to this. We also urge readers
> using IE on Windows to switch browsers, at least until the iFrame
> exploit is patched properly.

[[ Microsoft has got to _love_ that kind of publicity.  *snicker ]]

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:34:28 -0700
From: nmclain@annsgarden.com
Subject: Re: A-la-carte Pricing For Cable and Satellite TV


I wrote:

> The FCC has released its report on a-la-carte pricing for cable TV
> and satellite TV services (formally called "Report on the Packaging
> and Sale of Video Programming Services To the Public").  It's posted
> on the FCC website at
> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-254432A1.pdf .

Whereupon Tony P. <kd1s@nospamplease.cox.reallynospam.net> wrote:

> Most people don't understand the concept that a la carte
> would cost more, not less.

> When a cable company offers a channel they pay the 
> provider a fixed cost for the years contract.

Actually, a cable (or satellite) company pays each program provider a
"license fee" (aka "affiliate fee" or "wholesale rate") that's
calculated on a *per subscriber* basis.  It's not a "fixed cost"
except in the sense that it's fixed for each retail subscriber for the
life of the affiliation contract between the cable/sat company and the
program provider.

Every month, the cable/sat company reports the number of retail
subscribers to each program provider, which then calculates the
monthly bill based on that month's subscribership.  If the number of
subscribers is reduced, the provider's revenue is reduced accordingly.

> That cost is then spread among ALL subscribers.  But lets
> see you took, oh, the Cramp Channel (Aka Lifetime) and
> offered it among others a la carte. The subscriber base 
> would likely be smaller but the provider wouldn't want to
> adjust their price because there are real costs behind
> producing those programs. 

The subscriber base would indeed be much smaller, with two results:

   - The program provider's license-fee revenue would be smaller
     in direct proportion to the reduction in the subscriber base.

   - The program provider's advertising revenue would be
     substantially smaller, although probably not quite in direct 
     proportion because the programmer might be able to raise its 
     ad rates somewhat.

To offset these losses, the program provider would have to
substantially *increase* its license fee and/or curtail its
programming budget.  In my previous post on this subject, I estimated
that license fees would increase by 400%:
http://massis.lcs.mit.edu/archives/reports/alacarte-cable-service

Apparently I underestimated the increase.  The FCC's report (quoting a
study by Booz Allen) states:

    Affiliate fees. . . To maintain current cash flow in a pure
    a la carte environment, all of the networks in the study's 
    segments would have to raise their affiliation fees by at least
    400% and ranging up to nearly 2500%. 
           -- FCC report, II-C, "Analysis of Booz Allen Hamilton
              Economic Study," 90-91 (pdf pages 91-92).

> Nobody seems to understand this. 

Least of all Consumers Union.

Neal McLain

------------------------------

From: Bill Burns <billb@ftldesign.com>
Subject: Re: How Do I Learn an Unknown Number?
Date: 25 Nov 2004 04:23:55 GMT
Organization: FTL


Andrew Bell wrote:

> Nathan Strom wrote:

>> If there's a dialtone on the line, hook up a phone and try
>> calling 1-888-902-9998. It should read back the number of the
>> calling phone. 

> It seems to read back the caller ID info presented, not the ANI. 
> I tried it from behind a PBX and got my DID number back.

Googling on 1-888-902-9998 finds an interesting discussion thread:

http://www.tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=583069
which includes these useful notes:

"Also check out 888-294-9681 - it gives you the voice circuit type and 
the number... will even do callback at the end of the call to confirm 
that it is working fine."

and

"Here is a nation wide ANI # from MCI 1-800-444-4444"

Bill Burns, Long Island, NY, USA
mailto:billb@ftldesign.com
History of Technology Websites:
http://ftldesign.com

------------------------------

From: Herb Stein <herb@herbstein.com>
Subject: Re: How Do I Learn an Unknown Number?
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:33:41 -0600


Tony P. <kd1s@nospamplease.cox.reallynospam.net> wrote in message 
news:telecom23.566.7@telecom-digest.org:

> In article <telecom23.565.11@telecom-digest.org>,
> jtaylor@hfx.deletethis.andara.com says:

>> Nathan Strom <nstrom@ananzi.co.za> wrote in message
>> news:telecom23.563.10@telecom-digest.org:

>>> rekingus@yahoo.com (reking) wrote in message
>>> news:<telecom23.561.4@telecom-digest.org>:

>>>> Anyone know how I can retrieve a phone number for a line that I have
>>>> recently discovered within our business.

>>>> SBC is our carrier but they tell me I would have to have someone come
>>>> out and trace the line at a charge. Is there a way of determining the
>>>> nimber by using some code entered on the phone.

>>> If there's a dialtone on the line, hook up a phone and try calling
>>> 1-888-902-9998. It should read back the number of the calling phone.

>>> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I tried it just now and it worked fine
>>> on my Vonage line, and also on my cell phone line.   PAT]

>> Whoopie!  Works from the Great White North also!

>> Who runs this?

> Interestingly it uses Caller ID data, not the BTN. I tried it using my
> Vonage VoIP phone which is currently using virtual number
> 401-608-nnnn, but it passes 401-621-nnnn as Caller ID and that's what
> the 888 number read back to me.

Whwn I call from the number in my sig (Cingular cell), I get 636 536-4107. 
Maybe the number of my closest tower?

Herb Stein
herb@herbstein.com
314 952-4601 

------------------------------

From: henry999@eircom.net (Henry)
Subject: Re: The Persuaders
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 07:49:24 +0200
Organization: Elisa Internet customer


Lisa Hancock <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:

> ...the motion picture code...required the bad guys always get
> what's coming to them.

It's funny to watch those old gangster pictures now, especially when
after 'The End' what I call the 'FBI message' fills the screen:

CRIME DOES NOT PAY

How times change, eh? Now we've got Tony Soprano.

Cheers,

Henry

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