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TELECOM Digest     Fri, 5 Nov 2004 20:21:00 EST    Volume 23 : Issue 533

Inside This Issue:                            Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Anyone Use Skype on Win98? Seeking Advice (Moderator@yahoogroups.com)
    Re: What Happened to Channel 1? (Richie Kennedy)
    Re: Coffeyville Junior College and Channel 4. (Neal McLain)
    Re: Semiconductors | The End of Moore's Law? (Lisa Hancock)
    Re: New Electronic Check Law Sinks 'Float' (DevilsPGD)
    Verizon Wireless to Buy NextWave Spectrum (Lisa Minter)
    Re: Prepaid Question was Re: How to Make Right Call on Cell (Doug Faunt)
    Re: Last Laugh! was Re: Lever Voting Machines - What's Wrong? (McHarry)

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From: Moderator@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Anyone Use Skype on Win98? Seeking Advice
Date: 5 Nov 2004 13:31:27 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


re:  Skype telephony software - Win98 on a Pentium2 
              http://www.skype.com/

I am the moderator of a language learning group with some 600
participants.

I have recommended that group members download Skype for use in
language practice among themselves.

I myself have only a Pentium 2, 550 MHZ, Compaq Presario 7478 (250 MB
memory, 40 Gigabyte hard drive).

Before trying to install Skype on my system, I would WELCOME hearing
from others about their success or not -- or hearing any informed
hearsay -- re:  using Skype on a Win 98 system such as mine.

I have found an older beta version of Skype: File name:
SkypeSetup-beta.exe v 0.98.0.68 (Freeware).

I've read that on Win98 systems, the video can sap so much of the
system resources that the audio can suffer markedly.

Apparently, the current version is:  Version: 1.0.0.97. Release date:
Oct 26, 2004 File name: SkypeSetup.exe -- for Win2000/XP.

Before embarking on this journey, would WELCOME hearing from
you ... your suggestions, caveat, questions, etc ...

Any recommended alternative telephonie software that may be equal to
Skype?

Thanks so much in advance.

Rob

In addition to posting your response here, please also send it
directly to me, at:

FETModerators(TOBEREMOVEFIRST)@yahoo.com
adonisinc@(NO-SPAM)yahoo.com 

(first remove the spam blockers in parentheses) 

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The Skype propa:

Skype is a user friendly P2P software, that allows you to make free
Internet telephone calls (VoIP) to any other Skype user, anywhere in
the world. The sound quality is as good or even better than regular
phones, and requires no additional equipment, besides a normal PC
microphone or headset. The Skype interface is similar to popular
instant messenger clients and allows you to create a profile, with
optional picture, that will be displayed when you call other Skype
users or receive incoming call. The program is very easy to use, and
works with firewalls and NAT without any additional configuration
changes. Basically, all you have to do is download, select a Skype
username and you are ready to make or receive calls.

Skype in a nutshell.

Our software's quick and easy to get started with. Download, register,
install, plug in your headset, speakers or USB phone and start calling
your friends. The calls have excellent sound quality and are highly
secure with end-to-end encryption. You don't even need to configure
your firewall or router or any other networking gear. It just, you
know, works.

Bridging the gap.

And it doesn't just work on Windows, like some other software you may
know. Skype is also for Mac OS X, Linux and PDAs using Pocket PC, with
a native look and feel for each platform. Talking, sending instant
messages or even file transfers work between different platforms like
a charm.

Calling regular phone numbers.

If there weren't enough ways for you to contact your friends, we have
a little thing called SkypeOut. It let's you make calls to
old-fashioned phone numbers all around the world. Landlines, mobile
phones ... it works with almost all of them. SkypeOut is not free but
it is pretty cheap, actually. You can read more about SkypeOut if you
wish.

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From: Richie Kennedy <route56@route56.com>
Subject: Re: What Happened to Channel 1?
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 00:05:13 -0000
Organization: route56.com


Fred Goldstein <fgoldstein.SeeSigSpambait@wn2.wn.net> wrote in
news:telecom23.531.1@telecom-digest.org: 

> A few miles northwest of Independence, Moline County is one of those
> unusual places with *no* off-air TV coverage (Grade B) at all.

There is no "Moline County" in Kansas.  I'm assuming you are referring
to the town of Moline, in Elk County.


Richie Kennedy
route56@route56.com  www.route56.com
"There's always a stage and a beautiful babe to squeeze my lime..."

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I am sorry I did not catch that error
when the article was first published. Moline is a tiny little town in
a very rural county of Kansas. Here in the eastern half of Kansas
(which is where the people live, what there are of us), Elk County
is *very* rural, even more so than my own Montgomery County. I think
is is about as sparse, population-wise, as Chatauqua County which is
next door to our county. I should have corrected Fred's reference when
the article first came in. And no, they do not have *any* over the air
television signals at all, other than a 'wisp' now and then from
either Tulsa or Wichita.  PAT]

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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:24:07 -0600
From: Neal McLain <nmclain@annsgarden.com>
Subject: Re: Coffeyville Junior College and Channel 4.


PAT wrote:

> Today, Thursday, I got a chance to speak to folks at CCC and
> ask them about the television signal on Channel 4.  The young
> lady who answered the phone at 620-251-7700 said to me she had
> only worked there a short time and knew nothing of it.  She put
> me through to a man who had worked there for about twenty years
> and he said they had discontinued the 'station' (which was a
> learning exercise or practice for students *more than ten years
> ago*.  He said "it was only licensed as a low-power station and
> we had so much interference (which, under the terms of our FCC
> license we had to accept) from the bigger station in Oklahoma
> City, and our equipment got old and hard to maintain, so we
> decided to abandon that part of our program.  We have not been
> on the air in years, but Oklahoma City still comes booming
> through now like a local now and then."

> I told him I believed they were still a licensee in FCC records
> (Neil, am I correct on this?  You said you looked it up)...

It's still listed in TvRadioWorld at http://tinyurl.com/6k8j5 .
Unfortunately, TvRadioWorld isn't up-to-date.  The FCC database
indicates that the license expired on 12/01/1998. 
http://tinyurl.com/3kpse 

> ... and he was surprised to hear that.  I asked him about the
> television station broadcasting in the 1950's doing weather all
> the time.  He said he started working at the college about 1981
> and he could not help with that, but he was *certain* it had not
> been them ...

If I understand this correctly, he was certain that the station had not 
been broadcasting in the 1950s.  But he also stated that the station's 
equipment was "old and hard to maintain" (leading to the decision to 
discontinue operations) "more than ten years ago" -- i.e., before 1994.

So I wonder when the station was broadcasting?  Perhaps during the 60s
and 70s?

> He did agree, Neil, that the 'old station, when it was running,
> more than a decade ago' was 310 watts.  He suggested I should
> speak to someone at the 'Dalton Defenders Museum' (which doubles
> as the Coffeyville Historical Society).

> A phone call to the historical society (a/k/a Dalton Defenders
> Museum) did not produce much luck....

> So Neil, there is your half-answer.  I realize not a very good
> one.

Well, perhaps it *does* answer the original question that started this
thread: why doesn't Cable One use cable channel 4?  If the station was
operating during the 60s and 70s, when many cable TV systems were
being built, this might explain why the original cable company in
Independence didn't use cable channel 4.

In which case, Cable One could probably start using it now.

Still, there may be other reasons why Cable One might not want to use
it even now.  DTV is going to arrive eventually (by 2009 according to
the latest rumor); consequently, Cable One might want avoid activating
any more analog channels.

Or maybe Stanley Cline's theory about traps [TD V23 #520] is correct after 
all.  < http://tinyurl.com/4oy9k >.

> I rather suspect the one time I got ghosting images and snow
> with a very faint picture it must have been the OKC station
> under good atmospheric conditions.

Probably.

And BTW, the station was K04EJ, not W04EJ.  Given the recent thread
about the K/W line, how could I have screwed that up?

Neal McLain

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But did you know that back in the days
when FCC was actually issuing 'licenses' for Citizen Band radio 
operation, *all* those licenses began with 'K' regardless of where 
they were located?  What do they have now, for people who bother to
tell them about a CB radio?  I think it is first and last initials
and one's zip code. In other words I would be 'PT67301' I think. PAT]

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From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Lisa Hancock)
Subject: Re: Semiconductors | The End of Moore's Law?
Date: 5 Nov 2004 14:11:50 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


zbang@radix.net (Carl Zwanzig) wrote 

> Reminds me of a railroad executive in the '50s. When asked what the
> biggest problem the railroads faced, he said "Too many bankers
> railroading."

I'm not sure if that's true.  

Specifically to the railroads of the 1950s: they faced new competition
from tax subsidized highways, waterways, and airports and the
obligation to pay more taxes on their own properties.  Further, they
faced strict regulatory and labor laws on improving their own
operations.

As to 'bankers':

All business requires capital.  Unless you are personally very rich
and have very rich friends, you must get your capital from the finance
markets (bank loans, investors of stocks and bonds).

If your business is floundering, your investors will get nervous about
losing their investment and will naturally wonder if you are doing a
good job.  Depending on the nature of financing, they may have a legal
right to muddle in the business.  Stockholders can and do have proxy
fights to kick out existing managements.  Sometimes that is a good
idea, sometimes not.

Part of the challenge of running _any_ business is keeping the
investors happy.  It is not an easy task.

Henry Ford (I) did it by being so rich he could buy out the other
investors in Ford Motor Co. (although only after some nasty court
battles).  Most other corporations aren't so lucky.  The flip side of
that was that Ford had no one balancing him and as he got older, got
more eccentric and tough to work with.  Ford Motor Co. lost its
leadership in the car industry and almost shut down because of the
father's stubborness in his later years.  His family forced him to
give up control, in obviously a very emotional and difficult
situation.

In the 1950s IBM was poised for dramatic growth.  The father, Thomas
J. Watson Sr, was most uncomfortable about his son raising additional
capital needed to expand the business, but he finally relented.

Today it is said that investors are too short term oriented.  I don't
know the answer to that.  I do wonder how the old Bell System would've
developed if today's attitudes were in place.  In the 1950s, Western
Electric equipment was built for the long-haul and cost accordingly.
I wonder if the investment community would've been as patient and
accepting of the steady but modest return on investment of AT&T stock.

------------------------------

From: DevilsPGD <devilspgd@crazyhat.net>
Subject: Re: New Electronic Check Law Sinks 'Float'
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:12:49 -0700
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com


In message <telecom23.531.10@telecom-digest.org> Isaiah Beard
<sacredpoet@sacredpoet.com> wrote:

>> I use Visa for the opposite reason -- Lack of paper means I can
>> reverse any charge at a whim, and it's up to the merchant to produce a
>> signed paper or they'll eat the charges.

> True, however, things like auto finance companies, mortgage companies,
> student loan servicers, and courts where things like parking or
> traffic tickets are owed have recourse of their own if a payment can't
> be tracked. :) So, I'd much prefer to have proof of payment in those
> cases than not.

I have proof of payment -- A line on the statement showing they
processed the payment, and (usually) a matching receipt.  I keep any
important receipt, although I do toss the day to day stuff.

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: That is where when you use a credit
> card to pay a bill you want to keep track of the authorization number
> the merchant got when he sold you whatever. That happened to me once
> with my good friends, Southwestern Bell. They told me they did not
> get a payment, I said they did. They said "well you have to send us
> proof or get cut off". I produced the sales authorization number they
> had been given when they first took my card as payment, and told them
> "there, you see you got paid. Now straighten it out with VISA who
> authorized it, and here is a copy of my bill showing where you got 
> the money." They were most perturbed by that remark, but they agreed
> they had gotten the money; they just did not know what they had done
> with it or where they applied it, which was not my fault.   PAT]

Or, if they can't find it, reverse the charge, sit back and watch how
fast they can find the payment.  They will, of course, want their
money immediately, but they can't penalize you for late payment or
anything since they did pay you in the first place.

And sometimes I park, in handicapped spaces,
While handicapped people, make handicapped faces!
 -- Denis Leary

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:47:30 EST
From: Lisa Minter <lisa_minter2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: November 5, 2004 - Verizon Wireless to Buy NextWave spectrum


Starting today, and I believe every weekday hereafter I will be
getting the daily columns from USTA (United States Telecom
Association) which Patrick told me used to be known years ago as
USITA (United States Independent Telephone Association). As these
arrive, I will be posting them here, both with a URL link and a
few text headlines.

Lisa Minter
    
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Telecom dailyLead from USTA
November 5, 2004
http://www.dailylead.com/latestIssue.jsp?i=17360&l=2017006


TODAY'S HEADLINES

NEWS OF THE DAY
* Verizon Wireless to buy NextWave spectrum
BUSINESS & INDUSTRY WATCH
* NTT plans huge FTTH expansion
* Nokia embraces "clamshell" design
* Verisign dials up VoIP
* Charter Communications reports $3.29 billion loss
USTA SPOTLIGHT 
* New in the Telecom Bookstore: USTA's VoIP & Packet Network Security Guide
EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES
* BPL gets mixed reception in survey
REGULATORY & LEGISLATIVE
* Telecom industry awaits FCC's VoIP ruling

Follow the link below to read quick summaries of these stories and others.

http://www.dailylead.com/latestIssue.jsp?i=17360&l=2017006

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From: Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604 <faunt@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Prepaid Questions [was Re: How to Make Right Call On Cell]
Date: 05 Nov 2004 19:29:52 -0500
Organization: at home, in Oakland, California


Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> writes:

> Sorry about replying to my own post, but I just got a notice today
> from Phoneshark about the JusTalk service.  They have modified the way
> plans work and rather than having the accounts expire afteer six
> months and requiring that you add money by that time the accounts now
> do not expire at the end of six months, but will go on indefinitely
> though they require that you make at least *twenty* minutes of calls
> per month.  That's no bargain at all considering that per minute cost
> is around 25 cents per minute.  This was a good economical service to
> have, but I can't recommend them any longer and would instead
> recommend Beyond Wireless.

This discussion has been most interesting.  Unfortunately, no one but
Verizon seems to provide prepaid service in 59801, Missoula, Montana,
that works for somone who wants to actually spend some time on the
'phone, on long distance.

If anyone has any hints for that particular service, we'd appreciate
it.

73, doug

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From: John McHarry <mcharryj@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Last Laugh! was Re: Lever Voting Machines - What's Wrong?
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 01:14:15 GMT
Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net


Lisa Hancock wrote:

> I did call them back and asked if they were sure if the person was
> registered and qualified to vote.  At first the person insisted yes,
> but then she said she'd check on it.  She called me back and explained
> that their list was based on people who had voted in the past but
> hadn't voted lately -- it was NOT the official voter rolls.  They get
> the list from sitting at the polls and seeing who voted; they cannot
> get access to the official list.  Her boss just told her there would
> be people on the list who might be deceased or had moved.  With that I
> let the issue go.  I was annoyed that previous solicitors insisted
> their list was official and accurate.

In NC the list is public, as is the last few elections in which one voted.
In my precinct people came by to vote with a printout of their information.
The parties also had databases of the stuff that allowed them to mechanize
canvassing. If somebody didn't like getting called, that was plugged in,
and they would not be again. 

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: They do that in Chicago, also. The
> precinct captain (the go-fer in your neighborhood who works for the
> alderman) has the duty of driving a van around to get all the old
> people and take them to the polls and show them how to vote, etc. On
> those phone calls you received, did they ask you to please vote a
> straight Democratic ticket?  In Chicago, the precinct captain would
> tell the old people "all you have to do is pull lever 6" (or whichever
> lever did the straight ticket thing). Then you can get back on the bus
> and we will stop to get your ice cream (or beer or a pack of
> cigarettes, whatever) on the way back to the nursing home.

A few years ago two of us from opposing parties were standing around
electioneering in Northern VA. We came up with a scheme to give each
person who voted a schwag bag on the way out labeled "I voted" and to
shake down the local businesses to set up on the the outgoing side to
toss in freebies, coupons, etc. It would help get out the vote, but do
we really want voters who are only there for the free crap?

My limited experience in downstate Illinois was that both parties
would arrange free rides for the faithful. I spent part of the day in
'76 driving elderly black ladies to the polls. It was a lot of
fun. They all dressed up as for church and were delighted to be
squired to the polls by a (then) young white graduate student.


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Regards your two final paragraphs, that
is *exactly* how it works in Chicago also. The Precinct Captain has
the job of renting a bus or limousine, going around to all the nursing
homes in his area (there are several dozen such places in Chicago if
you count them all; several hundred mostly elderly, mostly black, poor
people are housed between them) and taking 'his people' to the polls
on election day. Each resident gets a bag of goodies to eat on the way
or coming back home, and it is hinted (though never actually stated)
that the job of these elderly black voters is to return to office (or
put in office) the 'proper' Democratic politicians. The people may be
told "there are rumors your (nursing) home is going to be shut down
for violations of the housing code, etc." Or better still, "candidate
X is going to crack down on" (you name it; drugs, crime, etc) which at
best is a campaign promise or at worst, a bald face lie. All the old
church ladies know what is expected of them: *pull lever six*, or
whatever was assigned to straight ticket voting) and they march off
that church bus or whatever dressed in their Sunday finest, at the
polling place to go in and do battle with the forces of evil (the
wrong political party).  When they get back on the church bus to go
back to the nursing home their box of goodies is waiting there for
them on their seat. That's how the Democratic 'machine' works in
Chicago, and Mayor Daley II is proud of it, just as his father, Mayor
Daley I was before him.  It never occurs to the elderly poor black
residents of the nursing homes and housing authority that the ten
thousand prisoners in the Cook County Jail are mostly poor younger
black guys; the children and grandchildren of the nursing home
residents, and that Daley and his minions put them there.   PAT]

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