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TELECOM Digest     Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:29:00 EST    Volume 23 : Issue 528

Inside This Issue:                            Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Lever Voting Machines - What's Wrong? (Lisa Hancock)
    ENUM LLC - What's it All About? (George Bush)
    Cut-Through Connection (Ariel Burbaickij)
    Playing out DTMF Tone in a Dialogic Channel (Ruchit Garg)
    Vonage No Longer Shipping Linksys PAP2 (Dave)
    Nextel and Verizon Settle Legal Disputes (Monty Solomon)
    Re: Can a NEC IPK 192 Report DID to CallAnalyst (Justin Time) 
    Re: How to Make the Right Call on Cell Plans (Lisa Hancock)
    Re: New Electronic Check Law Sinks 'Float' (DevilsPGD)
    Re: What Happened to Channel 1? (Neal McLain)
    Re: Pre-Recorded Phone Should be Illegal (Steve Sobol)
    Re: Web Site Renovation Complete! (Charles Cryderman)

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From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Lisa Hancock)
Subject: Lever Voting Machines - What's Wrong?
Date: 2 Nov 2004 19:47:13 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


My county uses "lever" voting machines, which are wholly mechanical.
You simply push a lever for each desired candidate and when you open
the curtain (a big lever) the votes are recorded on counters.

The machines contain interlockings so you can only vote for the
prescribed number of candidates for an office.  That's usually one,
but some offices you vote for three of five candidates (ie town
councils).  I understand some newer machines have no such protection
and such overvotes ended up wasting a ballot.

Another advtg is that you enter the machine with an open curtain, pull
a master lever to close it and open the machine to accept your votes,
then pull the master again to record your final votes and open the
curtain.  The curtains are large and fully enclosed -- it appears that
modern electronic machines have very tiny curtains or just a small
divider, limiting voter privacy.

Yet I understand these machines are very old and not made anymore.
Other counties went to punch cards and we know about their problems.
Many counties are going electronic but sometimes those machines fail.

Is there a reason mechanical machines are so out of favor?  Sure, they
would require maintenance and setup and there is a cost to that, but
that is only twice a year.  If the machines were in production, costs
would be lower.  A modern generation would probably have newer
mechanical engineering and lighter better wearing gears.

Does anyone know anything about the "Shoup" or "Jamestown" voting
machine companies?  They made the machines.  (Some models even had
electric curtains, where you flipped a switch and a motor closed the
curtain.)

[public replies please}


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: In Chicago, many years ago we had those
mechanical things, where one large lever closed and opened the curtains
and you could not vote without that lever to close the curtains and 
the vote(s) was cast when the lever opened the curtains. There were a
few 'medium size' levers inside on the panel (for 'straight ticket'
voting) and many smaller levers for individual candidate voting. And 
when you approached the polling place (as close as they could get 
*without* blocking the door and at least 100 feet away [to avoid any
charges of 'electioneering'] which is illegal) someone would try to
shove a piece of paper in your hand advising you to 'pull lever X' 
(or whichever lever was assigned) to vote a 'straight Democratic
ticket'. 'Straight' meant that you wanted to cast a ballot exclusively
for all the Democratic candidates. I assume the medium size lever
at the start of each row had the effect of mechanically pulling all 
the smaller levers which were behind it on that row.

It was **so refreshing** to go vote yesterday and not have a dozen
or more politicians standing in front of the door trying to stuff
papers in your hand as you were trying to walk in. The only thing is,
here in Independence, we vote on large sheets of paper using a special
type of soft lead pencil where we have to totally fill in an oval
circle next to the candidate's name and political affilitation. The
other thing was where we used to go to vote in our ward/precinct at
the SEK senior citizen place down the street from my house, yesterday
they have *five* precincts all voting in one place in five separate
areas of a large basement room in Memorial Hall downtown. I saw my
'ladies (the judges and clerk of election) for my precinct' over at
one table in one area and went over to them, as signs everywhere told
people where to find their precinct. Apparerently the government got
after the city and told them all polling places had to be more handi-
capped accessible, so they had to move out of SEK Senior Citizens. 
At first we got a letter in the mail from the county clerk saying our
new polling place was in the basement of the County Detention Center
(the 'jailhouse'), which is theoretically more accessible (no stairs, 
entirely at ground level) but further for *me* to have to walk. 

Then Charlotte Scott (county clerk) sent a second letter a few days
later saying 'due to scheduling conflicts we have to move you again,
this time to Memorial Hall, in the basement.' Not even in our precinct,
(nor anywhere close to it) she said they would have put us in the
hall at Epiphany Church (which is very close to me) 'except we already
have a precinct voting in there, no room for a second precinct.' We 
have four wards in Independence, two precincts each ward, and five of
the eight precincts in total had to go to Memorial Hall basement to
vote, all the way downtown. But having the paper ballots which are
optically scanned (assuming you correctly filled in the oval with your
special lead pencil which the judge gave you) seemed like a good way. 

We went into little wooden stalls with curtains on the front of them
which we pulled open or closed by hand, (I have always thought they
were sort of flimsy; I joked once with the judge and told her a strong
wind would blow them over) and our ballots went in metal containers
which covered up the places where we had put marks. When we exited our
little stalls, with the paper in the metal container we handed them
back to one of the judges who slipped it into the voting box *in the
metal container*. The paper fell out into the box then the metal
holding container was taken back for someone else to use.  When the
judge put your ballot in the larger container there, then she picked a
little sticker from a sheet of same saying "I voted today in
Independence, have you voted yet?"  with a little flag printed on it,
and stuck it on your shirt or wherever.

It was *so refreshing* not to be bombarded with phone calls and/or
people in front of the election places stuffing literature at you, nor
were there any police officers hanging around to maintain order, as
you used to see in Chicago all the time years ago, but like Chicago,
the saloons had to stay closed all day, and were allowed to open at 7
PM, after the voting had concluded. I stopped downtown on my way back
home for a sandwhich (and I had hoped, a beer) but the server said 'no
alcholic drinks of any kind allowed under law today until after
election is finished, but I can get you a coke if you want', and the
bar in the center of the room was totally abandoned.  PAT]

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From: macj201@netscape.net (george bush)
Subject: ENUM LLC - What's It All About ?
Date: 3 Nov 2004 01:15:24 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


Well, I don't get it. What's the idea behind Godaddy linking up with
all these carriers to for enum llc ? I thought enum was all about
transposing the digits in a phone number, inserting full stops and
forming a domain name (and vice versa) by following an algorithm. So
what's the point of forming a body who apparently will go to tender to
find someone to provide some form of 'directory' ? Surely, once enum
is agreed, it's simply a question of a simple, real time translation ?
Is this just a vehicle to help someone mop up all the revenues from
the millions and millions of domain name registrations ?

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From: ariel.burbaickij@gmail.com (Ariel Burbaickij)
Subject: Cut-Through Connection
Date: 3 Nov 2004 03:52:48 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


Hello dear newsgroup participants,

Could someone explain to me what does the term "cut-through
connection" mean? Are there several meanings?

With Best Regards,

Ariel Burbaickij

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From: ruchitgarg@yahoo.com (Ruchit Garg)
Subject: Playing Out DTMF Tone in a Dialogic Channel
Date: 3 Nov 2004 04:20:01 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


Hi all,

I want to play DTMF tone to a phone line opened by my dialogic card.
How can I achieve this?

Regards,

ruchit

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From: davidf@popmail.com (Dave)
Subject: Vonage no Longer Shipping Linksys PAP2
Date: 2 Nov 2004 16:56:40 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


Anyone else heard Vonage is no longer shipping the PAP2 due to "an
excessive amount of problems and returns"?

That's the exact information I got from a great tech support rep at
Vonage who tried getting a PAP2 sent to me after I was default shipped
the Linksys RT31PT.

He called the warehouse and was told they have PAP2 on hand but they
are not permitted to ship them due to all the problems.

One thing the rep told me is buzzing on calls when using the PAP2. I
use my Vonage as a fax line, so I made a regular "voice" call and sure
enough, as soon as I dialed my first digit I hear a hum/buzz.

The PAP2 was great because it was so small. Easy to throw in a bag to
travel.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:57:02 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Nextel and Verizon Settle Legal Disputes


By BRUCE MEYERSON AP Business Writer

NEW YORK (AP) -- Nextel Communications Inc. and Verizon Wireless
unexpectedly resolved a heated dispute Tuesday over a federal proposal
to clear up interference between cell phones and emergency response
radios by moving Nextel's signals to a more valuable band of spectrum.

In exchange for Verizon dropping its opposition to the spectrum
proposal, Nextel is withdrawing its claim of trademark rights for the
phrase "Push To Talk" and the word "push" to describe the popular
walkie-talkie service which Nextel introduced to cell phones and which
Verizon and other rivals now offer.

The agreement announced Tuesday ends a very public argument in which
each company nastily accused the other of putting business interests
ahead of public safety concerns _ often invoking memories of Sept. 11
and the need for reliable emergency communications as an issue being
exploited or ignored by the other side.

      - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=44706756

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From: a_user2000@yahoo.com (Justin Time)
Subject: Re: Can an NEC IPK 192 Report DID to CallAnalyst?
Date: 3 Nov 2004 06:36:31 -0800


a0157202@yahoo.com (Dave Rupp) wrote in message
news:<telecom23.527.3@telecom-digest.org>:

> We have an NEC Electra Elite IPK 192 with some card, sorry I don't
> know more, which connects via a serial cable to a PC running
> CallAnalyst, http://www.triviumsys.com.  We got the card + s/w so we
> could do DID reporting, but now our phone provider tells us the NEC
> doesn't report the "called number".  Does anyone have a URL or
> information on whether or not this key system can provide this?  Even
> if I need a different card(or 2) in the NEC I'm open.

> TIA,

> Dave

If by phone provider you are referring to your dealer, then what they
are telling you is probably correct.  If you want additional opinions,
I would suggest you join the NEAX User Group.  Their website is:
http://www.neaxug.org and they provide a wide variety of services to
their members -- including resolving technical issues.

Rodgers Platt

------------------------------

From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Lisa Hancock)
Subject: Re: How to Make The Right Call On Cell Plans
Date: 3 Nov 2004 07:12:26 -0800


Marcus Didius Falco <falco_marcus_didius@yahoo.co.uk> wrote 

> The Washington Post
 
> No other telecom service has seen this sort of ballooning value -- not
> Internet access, not landline phones and certainly not cable or
> satellite TV. But most other telecom markets don't benefit from the
> intense competition of the wireless industry, with five strong,
> nationwide carriers (down from six since Cingular's purchase of AT&T
> Wireless) out to eat each other's lunch.

I am far from an expert, but I disagree with some things in this
article.

In the short run, cell phone rates have dropped dramatically.  But in
the longer run, long distance telephone rates and telephone set costs
have dropped dramatically, too.

I don't credit competition but rather technology.  Prior to divesture,
AT&T's long distance rates were dramatically falling (esp when
compared in constant dollars) because of improved technologies in
switching and transport.

For cellular, technology of high capacity within the radio bandwidth
made it cheap.  The first big jump was the cellular concept itself,
then was digital to further split up the spectrum.  Modern electronics
allowed powerful but tiny and light phones.  The high capacity allowed
high volume which spread the unit cost of building towers among many
subscribers.

> This is why the first thing you should look at on a carrier's Web site
> is its coverage map. While these generally can't tell you about the
> annoying dead zones that only last half a mile on the highway, they
> should indicate where a carrier just doesn't have service at all.

I would love to see a _detailed_ coverage map for any cell phone
carrier, but I never could find one.  The maps in the stores are
generally of a very wide area, impossible to identify the boundaries
with any precision.  One major carrier uses various shades of green
which are hard for the viewer to separate.

Digital phones require more towers than analog.  Cell phone companies
originally advertised digital as being superior quality, but it is
actually superior for them, not for us users.

> How important is it that the phone work at all times? There's no
> common standard for wireless service, save the oldest technology of
> them all -- analog cellular. Analog is what gave cell phones a bad
> name: It kills a phone's battery life, sounds lousy and will run up
> massive roaming charges.  But as the lowest common denominator, it may
> be available where digital service is not.

Analog phones had bigger batteries.  The older analog phones -- either
in a bag or in a car, had much more powerful transmitters.  AFAIK, the
cell carriers will continue your service if you're already on with
such an old phone, but will not give you analog service as a new
customer with an old phone.

My own analog phone sounds no different than digital phones.  

The issue of "roaming" is strictly marketing and has nothing to do
with technology.  When I got my cell phone service, the roaming
charges and roaming territory was a function of my service plan.
Cheap plans = low roaming, expensive plans = high roaming.

The newspapers report many people get surprised by high roaming
charges they didn't except today; many plans still have some sort of
roaming charge.

> Which carrier do your friends and family use? Many Cingular and
> Verizon plans include unlimited calling to other phones on the same
> network. Sprint sells that option for $5 a month, and Nextel's Direct
> Connect Walkie-Talkie service, thanks to the unlimited usage the
> carrier generally allows, offers a rough equivalent. In any of those
> cases, you can opt for a cheaper plan if the people you'll talk to
> most often will use the same network as you.

Being on a single carrier can save a lot of money.  My Verizon plan
pre-dates that, but my carrier still didn't charge me when I made some
peak-period calls to another cell phone of my carrier.  I see
contractors using the walkie-talkie feature often.
 
> Cingular and Sprint have come up with two smart twists on standard
> pricing.  Cingular lets you carry over unused minutes into the next
> month, while Sprint's customers can be automatically bumped to a
> higher calling plan if they exceed their included minutes.

My Verizon plan pre-dates rollover, but they did that for me anyway
automatically one month when I went over on my minutes.

> In one area, however, the competitive juices of the wireless market
> aren't flowing properly: Under-$30 plans, once a commonplace offering
> by carriers, have all but died out. If you need a phone only on rare
> occasions, look into prepaid service.

As we see, "competition" isn't always working as we expect.  My old
plan is $19.95 a month with 200 off-peak minutes.  Great for my use
since I would only make daytime calls in an emergency.  To get a 
similar plan today I'd have to pay $40/month plus pay for a phone.
There are a few $15/month plans but they are very limited, truly for
emergency use only.  While I bought my cellphone for emergency use,
I have found it quite useful on weekends and obviously much cheaper
and more convenient than payphones.

I'm not sure the "pre-paid" phones are such a good idea because
some have expiration dates on the time whether you use it or not.
Plus you have to constantly recharge the time or you lose your number.

Whatever plan you do, you are on your own.  Get everything in writing!
The cell phone sales people are interested in making commission, not
the best plan/phone for you.  Too often they say a phone/plan has
features that it does not have or that something is free when it is a
cost.  Also, most aren't very well trained and would not know the
answer to a specific question about coverage or technology.  My
experiences at stores of the major carriers has been most
unsatisfactory.

------------------------------

From: DevilsPGD <devilspgd@crazyhat.net>
Subject: Re: New Electronic Check Law Sinks 'Float'
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 18:01:17 -0700
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com


In message <telecom23.526.5@telecom-digest.org> Isaiah Beard
<sacredpoet@sacredpoet.com> wrote:

> I agree.  It's going to be interesting.  I have a check card and 
> occasionally use electronic bill payment, but I used to prefer sending a 
> check out in the mail to pay bills.  Not because of float, but because I 
> liked the idea that a physical, tangible paper copy of my payment was 
> available, as well as a physical endorsement acknowledging receipt of 
> payment on the same piece of paper, in case there was ever any dispute. 

I use Visa for the opposite reason -- Lack of paper means I can
reverse any charge at a whim, and it's up to the merchant to produce a
signed paper or they'll eat the charges.

Makes life easier when somebody messes up something somewhere along
the line. 

In message <telecom23.526.6@telecom-digest.org> Rick Merrill
<RickMerrill@comTHROW.net> wrote:

> DevilsPGD wrote:

>> Isaiah Beard wrote:

>>>>> IF these images were accessed it would give criminals access to an
>>>>> image of the customer's signature. Said criminal could then use a
>>>>> laser printer with 640 dpi resolution to print checks that would be
>>>>> indistinguishable from the photo check after a 240 dpi Scan!?

>>>> I'm curious, is there a requirement that the bank which accepted the
>>>> cheque store it for any period of time?

>>> Quite the reverse actually.  If they send the check along
>>> electronically, then the original is destroyed.

>> Interesting -- So if I say I wrote a different dollar value on the
>> cheque, and the electronic copy isn't sufficient to provide proof one
>> way or the other, does the transfer of funds get reversed?

> Hopefully you have your record (or write once) copy.  The thing is, 
> would you notice if the check was changed from 10 to 100$?  Many people 
> do not check that closely. - RM

That's my point -- without the physical paper available it's likely
difficult (if not impossible) to prove that the cheque was modified.

                 ====================

Who is General Failure and why is he reading my disk?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:01:58 -0600
From: Neal McLain <nmclain@annsgarden.com>
Subject: Re: What Happened to Channel 1?


I wrote [TD V23 #525]:

> However, I still think that in the specific case at hand the
> Coffeyville TV station was probably the primary reason for not
> using cable channel 4 [in Independence, Kansas].  Given that
> channel 4 is subject to interference from a television station
> (even a weak one like W04EJ), it seems unlikely that the cable
> company would have used that channel for an important service
> like HBO or Showtime.

Whereupon DevilsPGD <devilspgd@crazyhat.net> wrote [TD V23 #526]:

> Could it be that there wasn't a conflict at that time?

According to PAT, channel 4 was in use in Coffeyville as far back as 
1954-55 [TD V23 #519]:

> I seem to remember channel 4 from *years* ago when as a young
> kid I lived and visited in Coffeyville.  It seems to me it was
> a 24 hour per day transmission of some weather station.  The
> cameras always looking at the weather dials, and background
> music.  That would have been 1954-55. PAT]

DevilsPGD continued:

> Channel 4 isn't used for anything important here, just text
> news last time I checked, but the picture is clear and sharp.

Is there a local broadcast station on Channel 4 where you are?  If so,
that would be consistent with the cable company's use of cable channel
4 for a relatively unimportant service like "text news."

It's certainly possible for a cable company to use a cable channel
that conflicts with a local off-air station; indeed, that's the ideal
situation.  But the fact remains that in some situations, off-air
interference *does occur*.  For that reason, a cable company isn't
likely to use it for an important service like HBO or Showtime.

The two most common sources of off-the-air interference into a cable
channel are:

A LEAK IN THE CABLE NETWORK.  Theoretically, cable TV systems are 
fully-shielded, closed networks.  Nevertheless, breaks in the shield 
("leaks") are inevitable.  Searching out and fixing leaks is the cable 
company's responsibility, strongly enforced by the FCC.  See:
Leakage sources: http://www.sbe24.org/archive/c24aug98.asp#six
Leakage control: http://www.sbe24.org/archive/c24sep98.asp#six
FCC enforcement: http://www.sbe24.org/archive/c24oct98.asp#six
FCC enforcement: http://www.sbe24.org/archive/c24nov98.asp#six

DIRECT PICKUP (DPU) IN THE TELEVISION RECEIVER.  Back in the 1950s and
1960, cable companies usually didn't provide converters; the incoming
cable was connected directly to the TV set.  TV sets in those days
were generally poorly shielded (300-ohm twinlead was often used to
connect the setback terminals to the tuner).  This situation resulted
in DPU: direct pickup of the off-air signal by the internal circuitry
of the TV set.

The introduction of converters solved the DPU problem (assuming that
the converter itself was properly shielded).  Of course, the converter
output had to be on a channel that wasn't subject to DPU.  To
accommodate this situation, converters were fitted with dual-channel
modulators, so that a vacant local channel could be selected.  Most
converters could be switched between channel 3 or 4; Pioneer
converters used channel 2 or 3.

So if your cable company's channel 4 is "clear and sharp," that's
great: it means your cable company is doing a good job with leakage
control.  But I still wouldn't use it for HBO.

Neal McLain

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But this area did not have cable TV
(nor, for the most part) any over the air TV in 1954-55. Coffeyville
had that *one* station (channel 4) over the air in that time period,
Independence had nothing. Even today, Coffeyville and Independence can
receive at best *two* over the air television signals, one from
Joplin, MO/Pittsburg, KS (90 miles straight east), and one from Tulsa,
OK (85 miles almost straight south), and possibly a third one from
Wichita, KS (110 miles northwest). Those are our three 'major'
cities. Coffeyville of course still gets channel 4 with its weather
dials, etc. Your choices here are (a)cable (b) *very high* antenna
most likely amplified or (c) nothing at all. On over the air signals,
the two out of the three possible depends on how your antenna is 
turned. Turned sort of east and south for Joplin and Tulsa, or sort
of east and south for good Tulsa and crappy Wichita. When cable moved
into rural southeast Kansas in the 1970's, we had Time-Warner's prede-
cessor. Then Coffeyville about 1990 got Cox Cable. In 2002, Time-Warner
traded their territory here to Cable One in exchange for some larger
area which they wanted (and Cable One) had. Our cable also serves the
little towns of Neodesha, Kansas and Cherryvale, KS  which are near 
here. Cox Cable has Coffeyville and all the southern part of the
county.  PAT]

------------------------------

From: Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
Subject: Re: Pre-Recorded Phone Should be Illegal
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 19:38:59 -0800
Organization: Glorb Internet Services, http://www.glorb.com


Bob Goudreau said:

>>> However, I think pre-recorded phone calls, of any kind, should be
>>> illegal.

>> Me too.

> Not me.  I actually find the prerecorded announcement calls that we
> choose to receive weekly from my kids' schools to be useful.

OK, let me clarify. I meant any kind of pre-recorded TELEMARKETING calls. 
Political tele-spam is included in that category.

> Perhaps you actually meant "UNSOLICITED pre-recorded phone calls,
> of any kind". Even then (and leaving aside the constitutional issues of
> political speech raised by campaign calls) 

I've said this about email spam, and I'll reiterate it here. Freedom
of speech does not trump my personal rights as the owner of the phones
that are being dialed, the person who is billed for the phone lines,
etc.

> and white, since I can envision various emergency scenarios (storm
> evacuation, water contamination, armed-and-dangerous suspect at large,
> etc) where public safety might be aided via mass robo-calls to the
> affected areas.

My clarification should exclude those types of calls. It's rather like
the difference between your Internet provider sending mass unsolicited
emails regarding system outages or sending mass unsolicited emails
telling you how wonderful their great new service is, and you really
ought to try their three-month free trial. (a) is ok, (b) is not.


JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
Apple Valley, California     Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The trouble here, Steve, is that like
telephones, email requires *two* parties to make it work, unlike other
utility services. How you use your electric, or water, or gas has no
affect on me at all. How you use your *telephone* or *email* does have
an effect on me. With no one to communicate with, my telephone and
email are useless. Not so with my other utility services. I quite
agree that telemarketing phone calls are a scourge, but like email,
what you think is a useful communication, I think is spam. So where
do we start your rights and end my rights?   PAT]

------------------------------

Subject: Web Site Renovation Complete!
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 16:32:04 -0500
From: Charles Cryderman <Charles.Cryderman@globalcrossing.com>


Our Esteemed Moderator wrote:

> And this being the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November
> that is an important distinction; voting can occur anytime between
> November 2 and November 8, but *never* on November 1) please go to
> your polling places when you wake up sometime Tuesday and vote for
> the Demopublicans or the Republicrats of your choice. As Mayor Daley
> would say, 'vote early, and often'!  I would personally suggest you
> try out the Libertarian candidate for president, Mr. Badnarik; he is
> the only *real* alternative to the present system, but do as you
> wish, just go do it.

As you have told us before Pat, that you have voted for democrats most
your life but now are going to vote your conscience. I too followed
suit this AM and I wrote in John McCain and Colin Powell. Now as we
both know our choices won't change the end results but I do feel much
better following my conscience then choosing the lesser of two very
big evils.


Chip Cryderman

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I certainly do not expect any
Libertarians to get elected anytime soon. The United States government
isn't set up to allow anything but a centrist candidate to get into
office. Either one that leans a little bit left or one that leans a 
little bit right. Those are our only two allowed choices. When I went
to vote yesterday, I stroked the paper ballot with every Libertarian
candidate who was on the ballot. Were there -- Goddess forbid! -- even
a slight chance of a Libertarian candidate getting elected and that
person did get elected, I suspect the Secret Service would arrange to
have the person assassinated his first day in office, if not before. 
There is no room for any changes in our system of government, except
one, and they have taken care of that with their bizzare interpretations
of the Second Amendment.

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page please check it out today at http://telecom-digest.org and if
you have Jeff Mattox's email address, write him and tell him thanks 
for the work he did on it.   PAT]

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