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TELECOM Digest     Mon, 1 Nov 2004 17:15:00 EST    Volume 23 : Issue 524

Inside This Issue:                            Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    VoIP Provider Presses FCC to Block Broadband Discrimination (L Minter)
    Re: Verizon California Terminates ISDN, FX, Other Services (Justin Time)
    Re: Verizon California Terminates ISDN, FX, Other Services (I. Beard)
    Re: When Phones Go Bad (Danny Burstein)
    Re: Pre-Recorded Phone Should be Illegal (John Hines)
    Re: Pre-Recorded Phone Should be Illegal (Eric Tappert)
    Re: Pre-Recorded Phone Should be Illegal (Mark Crispin)
    Re: New Electronic Check Law Sinks 'Float' (Isaiah Beard)
    Re: Home Phones Face Uncertain Future (Lisa Hancock)    
    Management and Inovation (Lisa Hancock)
    Last Laugh! SPAM!! Pick the President (Group Lotto)

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From: Lisa Minter <lisa_minter2001@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 14:43:05 -0500
Subject: VoIP Provider Presses FCC to Block Broadband Discrimination


http://www.cabledatacomnews.com/nov04/nov04-8.html

VoIP Provider Presses FCC to Block Broadband Discrimination
Nuvio Filing Threatens to Re-ignite Cable Open Access Battles of Late 1990

By Alan Breznick, editor, Cable Datacom News

In a case that may have major implications for both cable operators
and phone companies, a little-known voice-over-IP (VoIP) provider is
urging the FCC to keep broadband providers from tampering with
independent IP telephony services riding on the same fat pipes.

Nuvio Corp., a commercial, private-label VoIP provider based in the
Kansas City suburbs, wants the FCC to prohibit MSOs, Baby Bells and
other broadband providers from blocking or degrading access to other
VoIP services. In a letter and corresponding white paper filed with
the Commission in mid-September, the firm proposes that the agency use
its Title I authority under the 1996 Telecommunications Act to ban
"discriminatory practices by vertically integrated broadband/VoIP
providers" offering rival services.

"If these vertically integrated firms are free to discriminate against
unaffiliated VoIP providers, they will almost certainly garner the
major share of the VoIP market, and in doing so drive smaller
unaffiliated VoIP providers out of the market," the company
argues. "If left unchecked, such discrimination would seriously
endanger the vibrant competition that currently exists in the market
for VoIP services and ultimately harm consumers."

Full story at:

http://www.cabledatacomnews.com/nov04/nov04-8.html

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From: a_user2000@yahoo.com (Justin Time)
Subject: Re: Verizon California Terminates ISDN, FX, Other Services
Date: 1 Nov 2004 11:45:35 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


Isaiah Beard <sacredpoet@sacredpoet.com> wrote in message
news:<telecom23.520.9@telecom-digest.org>:

> Tim@Backhome.org wrote:

>> What useful purpose does ISDN serve these days?

> It's VERY useful, actually.  Where I work, we have a number of
> Tandberg 6000's and Polycom FX devices scattered on a number of sites,
> and quite a few of them are hooked up to both Gigabit ethernet and 3
> bonded ISDN PRIs each.  Videoconferencing is VERY big, even bigger now
> that businesses are trying to cut their travel expenses.

Oh, I'm sure you meant BRI rather than PRI.

>       <<VERY BIG PAIR OF SCISSORS APPLIED>>

> E-mail fudged to thwart spammers.
> Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: So you are suggesting that ISDN makes 
> a very good backup system in the case of emergencies?   PAT]

In this country ISDN has almost always been targeted toward the
commercial user.  The reason companies like XM and other broadcasting
companies use ISDN or at a minimum a 56K digital line for voice backup
is no static or loss of bandwidth because of distance.

Comparing the voice quality and bandwidth on ISDN and analog would be
similar to comparing an FM radio signal with an AM.  Both have their
advantages, but the FM signal always will have better bandwidth and
carry more information than an analog AM signal.  That's the reason
music stations have all but abandoned the AM airwaves -- music just
sounds better on FM.  If the music sounds better because of the
increased bandwidth, wouldn't it have the same affects on voice?

Rodgers Platt

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From: Isaiah Beard <sacredpoet@sacredpoet.com>
Subject: Re: Verizon California Terminates ISDN, FX, Other Services
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 15:29:01 -0500


TELECOM Digest Editor noted in response to Isaiah Beard:

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: So you are suggesting that ISDN makes 
> a very good backup system in the case of emergencies?   PAT]

I'm saying that it's far more reliable than a commodity internet 
connection can be for point to point communication, emergency or not.

E-mail fudged to thwart spammers.
Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.

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From: danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: When Phones Go Bad
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:54:07 UTC
Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC


In <telecom23.523.1@telecom-digest.org> Marcus Didius Falco <falco_marcus_didius@yahoo.co.uk> writes:

[ snip ]

> For most cell phone users, replacing a phone that's gone bad comes
> with an added cost in time and aggravation: pecking away at the keys
> of the new phone to reconstruct a mobile address book of often-used
> names and numbers.

Hence one of the beauties of the SIMcard method used on GSM (and a
handful of other) phones. All the info can be stored in the thumbnail
sized chip, and all you need to do is move it from the old phone to
the new one.

(It's pretty rare, though not impossible, for the SIMcard to fail).

_____________________________________________________
Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
		     dannyb@panix.com 
[to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

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From: John Hines <jbhines@newsguy.com>
Subject: Re: Pre-Recorded Phone Should be Illegal
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 13:44:22 -0600
Organization: www.jhines.org
Reply-To: john@jhines.org


hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Lisa Hancock) wrote:

> In this election season, I have been BOMBARDED with pre-recorded phone
> calls pitching various candidates, flooding my answering machine.

The only worse than being in a state that is out of play, and ignored,
would be being in a swing state, with non-stop politicing.

This election wore out its welcome along time ago.

That is why I'm trying to revive the "Pat Paulsen for President"
campaign of '68.  So far, everyone has got a smile out of it, which is
something that can not be said about the current election.

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From: Eric Tappert <e.tappert.spamnot@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Pre-Recorded Phone Should be Illegal
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 19:52:56 GMT
Organization: AT&T Worldnet


On 31 Oct 2004 19:43:19 -0800, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Lisa Hancock)
wrote:

> In this election season, I have been BOMBARDED with pre-recorded phone
> calls pitching various candidates, flooding my answering machine.

> I know election phone calls are legal.

> However, I think pre-recorded phone calls, of any kind, should be
> illegal.

> The constant ringing of the phone this year was terribly annoying.

> If it had been last year, it would've been devastating.  Last year at
> this time I was caring for a seriously ill person and was ill myself.
> I was in frequent touch with doctors, phamarcies, nurses, and
> families.  I had to keep the phone open and answer all calls.

> To a healthy person, the constant ringing was terribly annoying.  I
> would've gone out of my mind last year.

> When you're in bad pain, a ringing telephone is not a pleasant thing.

> BTW, I also received several live calls urging a deceased member of
> family to go vote, even though that person was removed from the
> election rolls quite some time ago.  [In hindsight I wish I requested
> they come and assist that person to the polls.]

> When I go to the polls Tuesday, I will talk to the politicians (the
> people who stand outside and give out leaflets).  I will ask them for
> their home phone numbers, but I have a funny feeling they, for some
> strange reason, won't give them to me.

Amen to that, Lisa.  I happen to live in a "battleground" state and
have averaged  over 6 calls per day for the last two weeks.  Very
annoying.  Telemarketers were never this bad ...

Eric Tappert

I hear the lawyers are going to argue that tombstones really can vote
this year!  :-)


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: One real, actual problem has been with
the advance voting allowed in so many states. Florida is a good 
example. A gazillion old people live in Florida and quite a few of
them have already voted. How the question is you voted last week, then
you die yesterday or today (as many folks have already done; died, I
mean.) Do you count the votes or not?  Everywhere has a law saying 
dead people are disqualified from voting (except in Chicago). Most
states have a law which says if a person dies before election day,
their vote is not to be counted. Are they going to cross check the
morgue records with the election records? That is a serious question
under debate in Florida where there are such a huge number of
senior citizens in residence and where there are many deaths each 
day. Someone has suggested if this election is very close, it may
come down to the 537 or so people in Florida who died between the
time voting started a couple weeks ago and the official close of
the polls tomorrow. 

Here is another example: two guys are in the Army, both registered to
vote out of Fort Campbell, KY/TN (which straddles two state lines.) One
lives in a barracks on the Kentucky side of the line; the other in a
barracks on the Tennessee side.  Both were sent to Iraq (what else is
new?) both submitted absentee ballots in the past few days. Both were
killed in action a few days ago when the military transport bus was
blown up. According to the law in Kentucky, that guy's vote *is*
counted. According to the law in Tennessee, the other guy's vote is
*not* counted (deceased prior to the official election day). So the
one soldier's vote is counted, the other one's is not. Is that fair?
Indeed, the people who have voted in advance of November 2 but who
then died (for whatever reason *before* November 2) will probably give
the 'army' of ten thousand lawyers we have heard about for awhile now
busy-work for a long time. PAT] 

------------------------------

From: Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU>
Subject: Re: Pre-Recorded Phone Should be Illegal
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:56:17 -0800
Organization: University of Washington


My home phone was delightfully free of all such calls throughout this
horrendously toxic election season.

I dumped No Solicitation, Security Screen, and the other overpriced
services that do little to stop the telesleaze, and replaced it with a
much cheaper service that does work: Do Not Disturb.

Do Not Disturb allows you to set a schedule of hours when it will
block incoming calls.  It's possible to set the schedule to be 24
hours/day.  Callers who know the 4-digit override passcode that you
set (and can change at any time) can break through the block and then
the call will ring through.

There are two additional options in Do Not Disturb.  If you enable
emergency breakthrough, the caller can press "*" and then record his
name.  Your phone will then ring, and you'll be given that name and
asked whether or not you want to take the call.

The other option, which I recommend *against* due to prerecords,
happens if you have voice mail.  The caller can press "#" or wait long
enough and the call will be transfered to voice mail (where the
prerecord can dump its advertisement on your voice mail).  I suggest
just cancelling voice mail and use an answering machine.

This works well for me, because an analysis of my incoming calls (as
recorded on Caller ID) showed that almost all of the legitimate calls
came from the same handful of callers.  They all have my passcode, and
they all continue to call me.

The one bug with Do Not Disturb is that emergency breakthrough calls
shows up as 000-000-0000 on the caller ID instead of the caller's
number.  So, if such call comes in when you're not around, you know
that you got such a call but no record of where it was from.

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

------------------------------

From: Isaiah Beard <sacredpoet@sacredpoet.com>
Subject: Re: New Electronic Check Law Sinks 'Float'
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 15:26:23 -0500


DevilsPGD wrote:

> Rick Merrill wrote:

>> IF these images were accessed it would give criminals access to an
>> image of the customer's signature. Said criminal could then use a
>> laser printer with 640 dpi resolution to print checks that would be
>> indistinguishable from the photo check after a 240 dpi Scan!?

> I'm curious, is there a requirement that the bank which accepted the
> cheque store it for any period of time?

Quite the reverse actually.  If they send the check along
electronically, then the original is destroyed.

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Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.

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From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Lisa Hancock)
Subject: Re: Home Phones Face Uncertain Future
Date: 1 Nov 2004 12:54:46 -0800


w_tom <w_tom1@hotmail.com> wrote 

> Common mistake when predictions are based upon business school
> concepts rather than first learning the details.

While some of what you say is true, I must disagree with other
parts.  Business school concepts definitely have their place.
  
> Third generation cell phone technology has finally made standard
> (POTS) phones obsolete.  

"Technology" is not _instant_.  Just because a new technology is
perfected does not mean other technologies are "obsolete".  A lot of
technocrats are so enamoured with new stuff they fail to understand
the big picture.

First, it takes time to implement new technology.  For example, a
great many people out there do not have cell phones nor wish to have
one.  Others have them but use them only for emergencies and have
$15/month plans.  Many people get something new only when their
existing machine wears out; not everyone is enamored with the "latest
and greatest".

Secondly, new technologies must mature.  Things are improving, but
many cell phone users get cutoff in mid conversation.  When compact
discs were first introduced, their sound and operation needed tweaking
to get widespread acceptance so serious listeners would replace their
vinyl.

Third, new technologies have a new cost that not all consumers are
willing -- nor should -- have to pay.  A consumer perfectly happy with
POTS service should not have to pay the $40/month for cell phone
service.  An occassional $15/month emergency-only cell phone user
likewise shouldn't be forced to upgrade.  The computer manufacturers
finally learned that people weren't so ready to upgrade their PCs so
often.

Fourth, the implementation and marketing of technology is critical.
Dilbert might make fun of the marketing types, but they are necessary.
The genius of Edison was not in the light bulb, but rather a whole
power generation and distribution network to make the light bulbs work
and earn money from them.

> The baby Bells are not dominated by myopic MBA managers whose
> education literally destroys both innovation and what little remains
> of AT&T. AT&T management has a static perspective because they view
> from anti-innovative B-school concepts. If AT&T still ran the baby
> Bells, then Nokia's predictions would have merit.  But baby Bells
> (about 10 years too late) suddenly realized that they too will go
> the way of the anti-innovation AT&T.  Baby Bells are finally, after
> more than 50 years, rewiring their entire network.

Being an "MBA manager" is neither good nor bad in itself.  Sure, one
could point to plenty of very successful businessmen who had an 8th
grade education, just as one could point to 3-pack-a-day smokers who
lived to be 105.  But most business people make good use of skills
taught in business school.

I don't agree on AT&T being "static" at all.  Their management tried
quite a few different avenues, they just didn't work out, it was not
for lack of trying.  Guessing wrong does not make a company "myopic",
hindsight is always 20/20, foresight is not.  Over history, many
'wrong' business predictions were perfectly reasonable and logical at
the time they were made.

When a businessman takes a longshot and wins, people call him
"shrewd".  If his longshot loses, people call him other less
complimentary things.  We read about the success stories with great
fanfare, but not about the many more losers.

Baby Bells most certainly did NOT wait "50 years" to rewire their
networks.  A lot of people believe -- wrongly -- that the phone
network at the time of divesture was all ancient.  True, some of it
was, but a very great deal of it was state of the art for its day.
Bell Atlantic was 100% ESS after divesture, and shortly later was 100%
digital, just to give an example.  Trunks between offices were
advanced high capacity.

> But don't expect mobiles to replace land line just as IBM found new
> purpose in their core businesses (once IBM replaced their MBAs with
> computer guys, then IBM rediscovered innovation meaning that a main
> frame is no longer a dinosaur).

While agree mobiles won't replace totally land lines, there are a
couple of errors here.  What I expect is that mobile were supplement
land lines.  A suburban family with teenagers that might have had two
or even three voice lines in the house may get by with a single line,
and use cell phones for the rest.

As to IBM, IBM did not go back to its "core business", nor did it
replace its MBAs with computer guys.  Actually, IBM has reduced its
core business -- manufacturing and selling computers -- and wisely
supplemented it with consulting and service bureau work which was once
a small subsidiary.  The "computer guys" didn't make this transition,
but rather an outsider, the former head of Nabisco (Gerstner sp?).  I
don't know if he had an MBA or not, but I think he did.
 
> Devil is always in the details which means the manager must have 'dirt
> under his fingernails'.  

That is true.

> Without a long detailed list of advantages and disadvantages for
> each technology combined with a list of future markets and
> innovations, then one can only make predictions like business school
> graduates and that BBC article.

Not true.  Predicting the future, whether it be the tomorrow's weather
or markets for new technologies, is always a gamble.  There are always
variables that are a guess, plus variables no one expects.

> These latter people routinely stifle innovation because they don't
> have education from where innovation happens.  Spread sheets and
> marketing mentalities are important peripheral parts of business;
> but only with a short term perspective.

Without a "marketing mentality", innovation is worthless.  Without
a good cost/pricing strategy, products cannot be manufacturered nor
services provided.  Having technology without a way to get it in the 
hands of customers is worthless.  The Watson father/son didn't know
squat about any technology, but they knew marketing.  The ENIAC-Univac
people were experts in technology, but didn't know squat about
marketing.  It didn't take long for IBM, using its marketing skills,
to quickly surpass ENIAC-UNIVAC's way superior tech skills.

> To see the future of land lines with a long term perspective, one
> must apply knowledge and experience of the technology.

Yes and no.  In the late 1970s, the "knowledge and experience" of
computers was using punch cards as an input medium.  Note that when
more modern gear (ie key-to-disk, on-line terminals, PC-DOS) replaced
the punch card, they kept the principles -- 80 column screen, auto
numeric shift, 'drum card' field setup, etc.  That's what the technies
were used to.

But the techies were wrong!  It turned out that the future belonged to
something entirely new -- the GUI screens and Windows that had no
connection to the punch card style whatsoever.

> Any land line company that intends to be alive in 10 years will have
> replaced or duplicated their entire network in fiber -- and learned
> new products based upon the new demands of that technology.

Who knows if fibre will be dominant in ten years?

Keep in mind there's an excess today of fibre capacity; that means
some companies that built fibre networks are losing money from lack of
use.

Don't ask me why, but Picturephone service never caught on, while cell
phones cameras and text messaging are very popular with kids.
(Punching in text on a tiny phone keypad seems ludicrous, but they
love it.)
 
> Standard technologies potentially on the chopping block: faxes,
> portable phones, conventional dial up phones, international shortwave
> broadcasting, and maybe even conventional letters.  

It takes an awful lot for a technology to become truly discontinued.
What usually happens is that an older technology remains in use, but
yields market share to newer technologies.  They still make
typewriters for example, but most such work is done on computers now.
Further, older technologies may offer a backup.  (Yes, there are some
exceptions).

> Any Baby Bell that uses the
> bean counter concepts of cost controls is doomed just like Western
> Union and AT&T.  

"Beans" are basic to a business.  If you don't count your beans, you
will go out of business.

------------------------------

From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Lisa Hancock)
Subject: Management and Innovation
Date: 1 Nov 2004 13:33:20 -0800


[I created a separate subject and post to discuss a different issue]

w_tom <w_tom1@hotmail.com> wrote 

> Remember what happens to companies who don't innovate.  Any Baby
> Bell that uses the bean counter concepts of cost controls is doomed
> just like Western Union and AT&T.  AT&T and Western Union both were
> dead center in a wonderful future -- and instead failed to innovate
> their core business.

As mentioned in my other post, hindsight is 20/20 and it's easy to
criticize past managements for "failing to innovate".  But the issue
is not so simple, and people must realize that.

Western Union's core business -- record message transmission --
became obsolete with the advent of cheap long distance service
in the 1960s.  In the 1950s and earlier, long distance telephone
calls were extremely expensive and telegrams were cheaper.  But
once LD rates dropped, a phone call cost the same and was both
faster and more efficient (two way conversation).  With money
transfers, the widespread advent of everyday people having
credit cards eliminated much of that need.  So, Western Union's
"core businesses" were obsolete (and this was even before cheap faxes).

WU was further hampered by adverse regulatory actions which
favored AT&T at WU's expense and by a tough labor situation.
WU was blocked from going into potentially profitable businesses.

There was nothing WU for "innovate" when the core business itself was
obsolete.  The only choice WU had was to go into entirely new lines of
business.  [This is only a brief summary of WU's issues.]

Over the years, there have been some companies that have done just
that -- doing things today that are a far cry from their past.  There
is today a big convenience store chain that was once an iron maker,
for example.  I don't call that "innovation".

The truth is that in many cases, management most certainly wanted to
innovate and had the correct direction in mind.  However, legal,
regulatory, labor, or other external constraints blocked them from
doing what they wanted.  Western Union had severe regulatory
restraints.  Actually, the Baby Bells were blocked by regulation from
doing some things they're doing today.

Let's look at Sears and Montgomery Ward.  At the end of WW II, Sears
invested in suburban expansion, Montgomery Ward expected a recession.
Historically, M/W was correct because recessions occured after wars
and the Great Depression preceeded WW II.  But M/W turned out to be
wrong and Sears correct.

Let's look at the Penn Central: Many people blame its management for
the bankruptcy, feeling if there was more "innovation" the company
would have survived.  But the truth is that the Penn Central did try
to improve things and innovate but that wasn't enough to save it.  It
faced drastically changed business conditions in its service
territory.  But government regulation and labor laws blocked
management from meeting those challenges.  Subsequently, the laws were
changed but it was too late for the PC.  BTW, the PC was criticized
for going away from its "core business", but its other investments
were what carried it.

Let's look at domestic steel, which died in the 1980s and mgmt is
blamed.  But in the 1970s, steel got him with a simultaneous triple
whammy: 1) Drastic increases in pollution control laws that were
extremely expensive to comply, 2) drastic increases in the cost of
energy, and 3) drastic reduction in demand as a result of foreign
competition of both raw steel and finished goods (like cars) and
cheaper substitute materials.  It should be noted that until this
triple whammy hit, demand for domestic steel had been very strong and
growing since WW II.

The result was way too much high-cost capacity for low demand, and
many steel companies went bankrupt.  Thousands of steel workers lost
their jobs.  There was certainly some things steel management could
have done differently, but that would've only made things slightly
better and wouldn't have changed the big picture.

Now this is not to say management is always blameless.  There are many
examples of where management simply blew it (why some supermarket
chains flourish while others languish).  Sometimes management clings
to a past or charges headstrong to a future that no one else sees or
agrees with.  Sometimes innovation -- the way an outsider sees it --
isn't as easy as it looks.

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[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Somehow in preparing this message for
inclusion in the Digest I accidentally trucated the other 63,000 bytes
of HTML code which were included in it. Sorry to disappoint you. I did
send a note to Resident President, White House and gave them my
permission to put my face on the new three dollar bill, which has been
proposed in an effort to balance our National Budget. They could put
my picture on it then include as a free gift in every box of cereal sold,
or maybe in boxes of the Monopoly game. We should get our National
Budget crisis solved that way sometime in the 29th century. PAT]

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