From editor@telecom-digest.org Wed Oct 20 19:04:52 2004 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) id i9KN4oN22190; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:04:52 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200410202304.i9KN4oN22190@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V23 #503 TELECOM Digest Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:05:00 EDT Volume 23 : Issue 503 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: Verizon Taking Lessons From Hooterville Phone Company (R Greenberg) Re: Verizon Taking Lessons From Hooterville Phone Company (SELLCOM Tech) Re: Verizon Taking Lessons From Hooterville Phone Company (J Kelly) Re: Verizon Taking Lessons From Hooterville Phone Company (Lisa Hancock) Sinclair: From Bad to Worse (Lisa Minter) Re: Sinclair's Disgrace (Dave Garland) Re: Sinclair's Disgrace (AES/newspost) Re: Sinclair's Disgrace (SELLCOM Tech Support) Re: Can't Detect Modem with SBC Yahoo DSL (Clarence Dold) Re: Can't Detect Modem with SBC Yahoo DSL (T. Sean Weintz) Re: Help Me Identify/Repair/Replace Power Transformer (Gordon Hlavenka) Re: Help Me Identify/Repair/Replace Power Transformer (Ken Abrams) Re: Help Me Identify/Repair/Replace Power Transformer (Ted Klugman) Re: Computer Users Face New Scourge (Geoffrey Welsh) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. 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Geoffrey Welsh =========================== See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: richgr@panix.com (Rich Greenberg) Subject: Re: Verizon Taking Lessons From Hooterville Telephone Company Date: 20 Oct 2004 14:46:28 -0400 Organization: Organized? Me? In article , Ed Clarke wrote: > It's the line amplifiers in between that are the problem. There's a > backup generator at the headend but the fiber nodes require power when > you go from fiber back to coaxial cable and any amplifiers also need > power (comes in on the coax). Depends on the cable company's preparations. In my neighborhood, the local cable co has at least 2 boxes with gas meters connected to them. I haven't looked inside but my guess is a natural gas powered generator set. Rich Greenberg Marietta, GA, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 770 321 6507 Eastern time zone. I speak for myself & my dogs only. VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red & Shasta (RIP),Red, husky Owner:Chinook-L Atlanta Siberian Husky Rescue www.panix.com/~richgr/ Asst Owner:Sibernet-L ------------------------------ From: SELLCOM Tech support Subject: Re: Verizon Taking Lessons From Hooterville Telephone Company Organization: www.sellcom.com Reply-To: support@sellcom.com Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:47:14 GMT Ed Clarke posted on that vast internet thingie: > In other words, if your cable service goes out, so does your phone. > On the other hand, Cablevision has been more reliable in the past few > years than Verizon. I hate Verizon as much (or more) as anyone else, but in all fairness when we had the last big ice storm and ran on generator for about 7 days our "backup" Time Warner cable internet went down and stayed down. Our Verizon DSL stayed up the whole time. Steve at SELLCOM http://www.sellcom.com Discount multihandset cordless phones by Siemens, AT&T, Panasonic, Vtech 5.8Ghz; TMC ET4000 4line Epic phone, OnHoldPlus, Beamer, Watchguard! Brick wall "non MOV" surge protection. Ramsplitter firewood splitters If you sit at a desk www.ergochair.biz you owe it to yourself. ------------------------------ From: J Kelly Subject: Re: Verizon Taking Lessons From Hooterville Telephone Company Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:55:50 -0500 Organization: http://newsguy.com Reply-To: jkelly@newsguy.com On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 01:15:57 GMT, HorneTD wrote: > Tony Pelliccio wrote: >> I recently moved three blocks east of my former location and contacted >> Verizon to move the line. >> I was assured that at 8:30AM on the 15th service at the old address >> would cut and the new address would be active at 10:30AM. >> Service at the old location cut at 11:30PM on Friday but the new >> location wasn't up yet. I've been going around and around with Verizon >> for days about this. They say the switch is telling them service is >> fine and to find my network interface and they'll take it from there. >> What I found was I'm pair #14 on a 50 pair breakout box with screw >> posts and nuts to hold the wiring down. I had to ANAC about 30 lines >> before I found mine. >> Thing is, I know I'm going to have to wire my jacks as whoever did the >> wiring before was a hack. But I had this faint image of having to >> climb a telephone pole to make a call that harkens back to Green Acres >> and the Hooterville Telephone Company. >> Needless to say -- the CATV line is in the house and the HSI is >> getting installed Thursday so I just might port my service to Vonage >> and be done with the stodgy phone company once and for all. > Just be aware that voice over cable requires electric power at both > ends of the circuit and several places in between. In the event of a > power outage your phone service dies. > Tom H > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: A suggestion has been made here in this > Digest a few times that to eliminate the problem of a lack of power > due to a storm, or fallen wires or whatever, use a UPS for the VOIP > phone adapter and your modem. This will allow you to make emergency > calls during the power outage. PAT] Where my brother lives if the power goes out across town, or even in a town 30 miles away (where the headend is), his cable tv and internet die. Hard to believe that Mediacom has no UPS's or generators for the headend or any of the line amps. I think they bought some cable co's that were pretty messed up though. In time I suppose they will clean them up. ------------------------------ From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Jeff nor Lisa) Subject: Re: Verizon Taking Lessons From Hooterville Telephone Company Date: 20 Oct 2004 14:09:08 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com HorneTD wrote: > Just be aware that voice over cable requires electric power at both > ends of the circuit and several places in between. In the event of a > power outage your phone service dies. True. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: A suggestion has been made here in this > Digest a few times that to eliminate the problem of a lack of power > due to a storm, or fallen wires or whatever, use a UPS for the VOIP > phone adapter and your modem. This will allow you to make emergency > calls during the power outage. PAT] Our cable system requires line amplifiers and if commercial power fails to the neighborhood the cable goes out, too, and takes a little longer to be restored; apparently they have to reset stuff from their base. In our neighborhood at least, cable telephone would not be as reliable. Per the original post, it sounds like it's a fuzzy situation because there was no standard interface block, just a master junction box serving multiple homes. My apt is served the same way. When I got a new line installed, I had the installer come inside and tell me what cable pair (there were many in the outlets) was the live one, and Verizon did not expect me to pay for his time to do so because of the situation. They didn't want me routing around their outside building box. The poster also mentioned the property was poorly wired, perhaps there was a short or confusion as a result of that. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:18:05 -0400 From: Lisa Minter Subject: Sinclair: From Bad to Worse The effects of Sinclair Broadcasting's cynically partisan decision to make its stations air an anti-Kerry movie continue to ripple through the industry. While Sinclair (whose owners are major Bush contributors) still plans to air the film, the reaction remains negative, and Sinclair's behavior isn't helping. On Monday, Sinclair fired the head of its Washington bureau for having the temerity to criticize the airing of one-sided propaganda (ironic, considering Sinclair is claiming a First Amendment right to air the film). Jon Lieberman had correctly pointed out that running the film brought the network's credibility into question, telling the Baltimore Sun: "[It's] biased political propaganda, with clear intentions to sway this election. For me, it's not about right or left -- it's about what's right or wrong in news coverage this close to an election." It didn't take long for Sinclair to send its top DC reporter packing, issuing a statement that labeled him a "disgruntled employee": "Everyone is entitled to their personal opinion, including Jon Lieberman. We are disappointed that Jon's political views caused him to speak to the press about company business." So Leiberman's entitled to his opinion, he'll just be fired for expressing it. Also on Monday, one of the veterans who appears in the film filed a libel lawsuit against its producer (who, it should be noted, is a former Tom Ridge aide). Kenneth Campbell, a former Marine and now a university professor, said the producer used deceptive editing to delete key context from his comments. Lawyers for Campbell sent letters to Sinclair and to a movie theater planning to air the film; the theater canceled the screening. Like Lieberman, Campbell is not connected to the Kerry campaign, just someone angered by Sinclair's decision. In addition, the broadcast network's stock has continued to drop with investors concerned about a loss of ad revenue. No doubt in response to this backlash, the nationwide In Demand pay-per-view network has decided not to offer a Nov. 1 showing of Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" (Moore is now reportedly considering legal action). Obviously, there's a big difference between an opt-in, pay-per-view offering and the preemption of primetime network coverage on free TV, but if In Demand is worried about violating the fairness doctrine, Sinclair is well beyond the pale. Like the candidate it supports, Sinclair Broadcasting is sticking to its guns, even if it means going alone. - Jeff Fleischer Read the MoJo Blog online for more: http://www.motherjones.com/news/blog/index.html @2004 The Foundation for National Progress *** FAIR USE NOTICE. This message contains copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. 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For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ------------------------------ From: Dave Garland Subject: Re: Sinclair's Disgrace Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 01:41:55 -0500 Organization: Wizard Information It was a dark and stormy night when hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Lisa Hancock) wrote: > It's his personal stations, so he is not "demanding" anything, but > merely showing what he feels like showing, as any station owner may > do. A TV station owner is free to show F/911 if it so chooses. To pick a nit, they are not *his* personal stations. They belong to a publicly traded corporation, Sinclair Broadcast Group, Inc. (a legal entity that in theory exists for the public good). He happens to control the majority of stock. ------------------------------ From: AES/newspost Subject: Re: Sinclair's Disgrace Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:20:24 -0700 In article , TELECOM Digest Editor noted in response to hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Lisa Hancock): > us continually everytime they got a chance, was a (gasp!) Roman > Catholic, and if *he* got elected, before long, the (gasp!) Pope would > be running America, 'since all Catholics have to obey the Pope.' Given some of the public statements made by senior members of the U.S. Roman Catholic hierarchy in the current campaign, one might not entirely dismiss this, as being representative of their objective anyway. ------------------------------ From: SELLCOM Tech support Subject: Re: Sinclair's Disgrace Organization: www.sellcom.com Reply-To: support@sellcom.com Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:44:30 GMT The media has been so biased towards the communist, anti-American, socialist party of traitors etc., I hardly think the truth about a traitor will "disgrace" Sinclair. The disgrace belongs to anyone who would even think of voting for some traitorous lying trash like Kerry. Kerry should still be in jail for betraying his country. Like there is not enough info from www.scaryjohnkerry.com www.notfondakerry.com and www.swiftvets.com etc It is astounding to me that people can be so clueless when "See BS" gets caught red handed interfering in the election and "ABC" have shown their extreme corruption and prejudice towards the socialists/communists that now control the Democratic party. Steve at SELLCOM The opinions expressed here are not necessarily the opinions of anyone anywhere unless they are also correct regarding these matters. Information published here is without warranty express or implied or any of that stuff. http://www.sellcom.com Discount multihandset cordless phones by Siemens, AT&T, Panasonic, Vtech 5.8Ghz; TMC ET4000 4line Epic phone, OnHoldPlus, Beamer, Watchguard! Brick wall "non MOV" surge protection. Ramsplitter firewood splitters If you sit at a desk www.ergochair.biz you owe it to yourself. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Ooops! About time to close out this thread I suppose. PAT] ------------------------------ From: dold@XReXXCanXt.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Can't Detect Modem with SBC Yahoo DSL Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:02:24 UTC Organization: a2i network Olga Sayenko wrote: > I just signed up for SBC Yahoo DSL. I got the modem and some filters > from them and tried to install the software. The installation fails > when the software tries to detect the modem and can't. I called > support, but that's pretty much useless. So my questions are: > 1) Why would the software have trouble detecting the modem? Drivers are required for USB-connected modems. If you are connecting via ethernet, you don't need their software at all. If you have a router, it is pretty simple. If you have no router, Windows XP New Connection Wizard will make the connection. http://www.dslreports.com/faq/5448 SBC Yahoo: What software is included? Do I have to install it? http://makeashorterlink.com/?W25F12399 describes exactly how to set up a Linksys Router with SBC DSL and no software. Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8-122.5 ------------------------------ From: T. Sean Weintz Subject: Re: Can't Detect Modem with SBC Yahoo DSL Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:03:03 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Olga Sayenko wrote: > Hi, > I just signed up for SBC Yahoo DSL. I got the modem and some filters > from them and tried to install the software. The installation fails > when the software tries to detect the modem and can't. I called > support, but that's pretty much useless. So my questions are: > 1) Why would the software have trouble detecting the modem? How are you connected to the modem? Via ethernet or via USB? It makes a difference as to the answer. > 2) When you sign up for DSL is it necessary for a technician to have > physical access to your line? I registered for a specific date, but > there was no information regarding someone actually coming to my > house. No. Tech should not actually need to come to your house. > 3) Can you configure the connection without installing all that > software on your machine (god knows what they got in there!) Yes. In fact don't load anything from SBC. Google for "raspppoe" -- works much better than the software SBC supplies. You do need some sort of PPPoE client to connect. That can be done using the SBC supplied software (last I checked, they used "enternet" by, made by Efficient Networks -- but that has been discontinued. Don't know what they send out nowadays), you can download "raspppoe" and use that, or if you have windows XP, I think that has built in PPPoE support now. There are other PPPoE software solutions available as well. Enternet is no longer sold by Efficiant Networks and has been replaced by a product called "Tango Access". Another popular one is made by Finepoint Networks, Called WINPOET. Lastly, (and IMO the best option) is to buy a firewall/router with built in PPPoE support. My favorite is the sonicwall series of firewalls, but most folks consider them to pricey for home use. Linksys, dlink, and Netgear all make less expensive boxes that support PPPoE. -Sean ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:26:01 -0500 From: Gordon S. Hlavenka Reply-To: nospam@crashelex.com Organization: Crash Electronics Subject: Re: Help Me Identify/Repair/Replace a Power Transformer TELECOM Digest Editor wrote: > One is Radio Shack, 'clean' DC output, 13.8 Volts at 3 Amps. I > had been using it to run a small portable TV set and a scanner radio > The other transformer is an Intermatic, model is 'Malibu 88-T' and > it does output of 12 Volts and 1 Amp. It has a clock built in which > allows it to be automatically turned on/off as desired. Its purpose > is to service outside lights along a sidewalk for example. > Are these two power supplies interchangeable (ignoring the fact that > the Intermatic has a built in clock since I have other timers I can > use)? You could definitely use the RS box to run the outside lights, no problem. It's overkill compared to the Intermatic, but it will work just fine. You _might_ be able to use the Intermatic with electronic devices, but that's somewhat dicier. The current output is lower, but if the TV or scanner draws less than one amp the Intermatic will be able to support it. BUT: The Intermatic output is not "filtered"; if your TV/scanner does not filter its power input (most don't) then you will have so much 60Hz hum you won't be able to use the device. It's also possible the hum could damage the TV or scanner. You can add an external filter to the Intermatic supply. Wrap a few dozen turns of 14ga wire around a big bolt and connect one end of the wire to one of the output terminals on the timer. Then get a biggish capacitor (say, 10,000uF at 16vdc or better) and connect it from the other end of the bolt to the other output terminal. Connect your TV/scanner across the output side of the coil and the Intermatic terminal connected to the capacitor. Intermatic ---- Bolt/wire ----+-------O CAP Intermatic -------------------+-------O Make sure you obey the polarity markings on the capacitor. If the Intermatic doesn't have polarity markings on its output, check it with a meter. (You'll need to know for hooking it up to the TV/scanner anyway ...) > How do you calculate volts/amps to watts? Are you sitting down? Volts times amps equals watts. :-) Gordon S. Hlavenka http://www.crashelectronics.com "If we imagined he could _find_ the car, we could pretend it might be fixed." - Calvin [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: My brain just had another movement, so I must inquire: The RS box has a push button on the back of it to reset the circuit if it blows out. *Whose* circuit is it protecting, the house current to the RS box or the RS box to the external devices? On the same idea: the Intermatic box does *not* have such a push-to- reset switch on it. Since the Intermatic box does *not* have such a button on it, would it be a prudent idea to devise some protection of my own for the new one I have to buy? For example, an automobile fuse holder with a little glass fuse wired on one side of the output line? I think -- not certain -- the sidewalk lights have a short on the line somewhere resulting from a very heavy rain we had a few days ago. I would like to protect my $39 investment when I get the new one and if having a fuse in the output line would help do that, then I will. What size/strength fuse is recommended? ------------------------------ From: Ken Abrams Subject: Re: Help Me Identify/Repair/Replace a Power Transformer Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:21:59 GMT > of 50 feet will light up. Total wattage allowed is 88 Watts between > all the bulbs, which are 5-10 watts each. It is available from Ace > Hardware here in Indy also for $39. Well, I guess we aren't in Kansas anymore, Dorothy. Indy ??? You DO get around, don't you? ;-) > How do you calculate volts/amps to watts? Watts = volts times amps (P = IxE) and Amps = watts divided by volts (I = P/E) So, to run your 88 watt string of lights, you would need about 8 amps at 12 volts (with a little to spare) Neither of your proposed supplies comes close. Ramblings: A 110V string of Xmas lights would likely turn out to be MUCH cheaper. If you are stuck using 12V bulbs, a 10A (automotive) battery charger would likely be cheaper than a "real" power supply. The light bulbs shouldn't care that the output is "dirty" (unfiltered). Good luck! [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Just FYI, "Indy" is a nickname for Independence, Kansas; its what people around here frequently call the town. So, we are still in Kansas, Dorothy. Frankly, I cannot imagine ever going anywhere else to live; the people here are just too Libertarian and laid-back, all 8800 of them. And starting today, October 20, for the next ten days through the end of the month, it is the Neewollah festival. Much drinking and carousing going on. Originally started 73 years ago as a single day event on Halloween to keep kids out of mischief (and Neewollah *is* the word 'Halloween' spelled backward) it has grown to be a ten day Octoberfest event each year, not only for our community but sort of the 'Mardi Gras of southeastern Kansas' with people visiting from all over; theatre and music, a large parade through the downtown area a week from Saturday, etc. A town with only *one phone exchange* (620-331) for everyone where people give their phone number by saying the last four digits only can't be all that bad a place to live. Regards me being 'stuck with 12 volt bulbs' the Intermatic 88-T power supply came with it, and I got it for five dollars (the whole set of lights, wire, etc) mind you, at the Church of the Epiphany rummage sale in July. It worked just fine until the very heavy rain a few days ago. But I like your idea of a 12 volt-DC battery charger as a cheap alternative. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:12:37 GMT From: Ted Klugman Subject: Re: Help Me Identify/Repair/Replace a Power Transformer Organization: Optimum Online On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:05:30 EDT, TELECOM Digest Editor wrote: > One is Radio Shack, 'clean' DC output, 13.8 Volts at 3 Amps. Its > like a little box, a 'powerhouse' kind of thing. It has a 'reset' > button on the back in case the output goes out due to overload or > a short. $39 at Radio Shack. I had been using it to run a small > portable TV set and a scanner radio, such as would be plugged into > a car cigarette lighter and run from a car battery. > The other transformer is an Intermatic, model is 'Malibu 88-T' and > it does output of 12 Volts and 1 Amp. It has a clock built in which > allows it to be automatically turned on/off as desired. Its purpose > is to service outside lights along a sidewalk for example. Using > 12 or 14 gauge wire, a series of little lights strung over a distance > of 50 feet will light up. Total wattage allowed is 88 Watts between > all the bulbs, which are 5-10 watts each. It is available from Ace > Hardware here in Indy also for $39. The Rat Shack power supply is DC. The Intermatic power supply is AC. By themselves, they are not interchangeable. You *could* wire up some diodes and a capacitor with the Intermatic power supply and you'd get DC out of it. To convert volts & amps to watts: watts = volts * amps (P=VI) You didn't specify what your power requirements are, so I can't say what can and can not be done with these power supplies. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: My mission is to 'let there be light' at least on *my sidewalk* through my backyard. My neighbor across the street has the same setup around his backyard swimming pool; he got his from the evil Walmart Superplace here in town. I got my set from the Episcopal Church rummage sale at a considerable savings last July. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Geoffrey Welsh Subject: Re: Computer Users Face New Scourge Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:00:16 -0400 Phil McKerracher wrote: > Well, not really. Most likely, he hasn't been patching his computer > with security updates, given those symptoms. He hasn't found and used > the readily-available free tool for removing this particular worm. Two computers I've looked at recently had something wedged into Windows Explorer as a Browser Help Object causing the default page to be reset and causing ads to pop up at various times. AVG didn't detect it, McAfee didn't detect it, and Symantec/Norton didn't detect it. Ad-Aware didn't remove it, nor did Spybot Search & Destroy. Manual removal didn't work, as it was running in Explorer and reinstated itself as soon as I removed it. I'm guessing that my next move is to use some kind of offline registry editor and/or delete the related files without booting Windows. Reinstalling Windows Maybe these folk would not have gotten these infections if they were up to date on patches, but removing them isn't trivial. Geoffrey Welsh If anything worth doing is worth doing right, then surely anything not worth doing right is not worth doing at all. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I use a tool called 'Hijack' available on the net to get those critters out of my computers. 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