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TELECOM Digest     Sun, 1 Feb 2004 22:39:00 EST    Volume 23 : Issue 50

Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Re: "Superman TV" and Telephones (Gail M. Hall)
    How to Evaluate Phonecards? (Barry F Margolius)
    High Speed Internet - Doesn't Allow New Connections (Harialbth)
    Re: AT&T Wireless Offer Provides Free Unlimited Mobile/Mobile (Hamilton)
    Re: AT&T Wireless Offer Provides Free Unlimited Mobile/Mobile (Eric F)
    Re: Help With Call-Attendant System? (SELLCOM Tech Support)
    Re: Need to Host Child Porn, Illegal Content, or Spam Server (Ed Clarke)
    Re: Comcast Takes on Broadcast TV For Local Ads (noname)
    Re: Treo 600 - Not Turning Off (pieterek@spamcop.net)
    Entrepreneurs Resource Expo: Come Share Your Resources (Entresource)
    NTIA Forum on Public Safety Spectrum Mgmt - Feb 10-11 in DC (Nick Ruark)

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From: Gail M. Hall <gmhall@apk.net>
Subject: Re: "Superman TV" and Telephones
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:05:10 -0500
Reply-To: gmhall@apk.net


On 12 Jan 2004 07:01:25 -0800, in comp.dcom.telecom message
<telecom23.18.6@telecom-digest.org>, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Lisa
Hancock) wrote:

> I saw an old episode of the TV "Superman" (mid 50s) and 
> noticed how today's phones would've made a difference.

Some of those differences are interesting to think about.

Last night I watched an old episode of Columbo on the A&E channel.  I
didn't catch what year this story was taking place or what year the
film was made.

In this episode, the bad guy was a fairly wealthy radio personality
who had a fancy mountain mansion.  He also had a cell phone that he
used in his car.  Columbo decided that it would be nice to get himself
a cell phone, too.  Actually, he wanted to check out the guy's story
about calling from his cell phone when Columbo pointed out that the
call he claimed to have made from his house was not on the phone
records.

What struck me was that when they used their cell phones, the tones
were sounded as the buttons were pressed instead of the way my current
cell phone works.  Mine makes a beep with each phone press, but I
don't hear the normal phone tones until I press "Talk" on my phone.

I didn't have a cell phone before 2001, so I don't know if the makers
of the episode were showing the cell phone usage realistically or just
guessing how they worked.

Another thing in the story was that they would immediately enter the
numbers over and over again and *then* get some kind of beep that
indicated they didn't have a signal.  My phone has a little graphic on
it that indicates signal strength from the time I turn on the phone.
It also has a graphic that indicates battery power.  I would know
without entering any numbers if I had a signal or not.  I would not
have to dial any number first.

The household and office phones were all hardwired.  I didn't see any
cordless phones being used in the story.

On another issue, I noticed that the bad guy had a big TV, which he
said was hooked to a satellite with 200 channels.  I didn't see a box.
Also, there was no remote, so he had to use the TV's on/off button to
turn it on and off.

My parents had a satellite dish for their TV back around 1980.  It was
a big thing.  At first it could get lots of channels, but eventually
the companies started jumbling their signals so people would have to
buy a service to descramble the signals to see the channels.  By the
'90's, that satellite dish was essentially useless.  My brother-in-law
took down the dish last summer and has plans to make something else
out of it -- maybe something to let plants climb on or something.  

I learned one advantage of modern satellite service compared to cable.
My sister and her husband subscribe to a satellite service that comes
with two boxes.  They also alternate between two different homes.
They have a "dish" at each house.  So for the price of one
subscription, They can take one or both boxes with them when they go
to either of the houses.  It takes only a couple minutes to hook the
box up to the TV when they get to whichever house they are at.  I hear
you can also get a dish to hook to your RV or motor home.  You
certainly couldn't do all that with cable!


Gail in NE Ohio USA

[TELECOM Digest Editor' Note: Television and Hollywood tend to take
some liberties with the realities of cell phones in their productions. 
I do not think any cellphones ever worked  differently than the way
they do now.  PAT] 

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From: Barry F Margolius <bfm@pobox.com>
Subject: How to Evaluate Phonecards?
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:14:01 -0500


I have found a phonecard company, ITG Services, that provides a good
mix of services for my needs.  Unfortunately, I have no way of knowing
if they are a reliable company or not.  Anybody got any ideas about
how to check up on them?

They're at https://www.talkitg.com/pub/index.cfm?loc=int

Thanks in advance,


-barry

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From: minloson@yahoo.com (Harialbth)
Subject: High Speed Internet - Doesn't Allow New Connections
Date: 31 Jan 2004 09:36:19 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


Hi,

I have a USB alcatel high speed modem. The problem is that my
connection seems to stop after a while. If a connection already exists
(eg:downloads, msn) it doesn't disconnect. But often it doesn't seem
to be able to make a new connection, through a browser, for example.
Sometimes after about 20 seconds it connects, sometimes never.

Has anyone had this problem, is there a reason?


Thanks,

Loson

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From: Jack Hamilton <jfh@acm.org>
Subject: Re: AT&T Wireless Offer Provides free, Unlimited Mobile-to-Mobile
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:33:08 -0800
Organization: Copyright (c) 2004 by Jack Hamilton.  Reproduction without attribution and archiving without permission are not allowed.
Reply-To: jfh@acm.org


Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> wrote:

> BASKING RIDGE, N.J.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 30, 2004--AT&T Wireless
> (NYSE:AWE) today announced an offer -- the first of its kind -- that
> can give new and current customers on qualifying plans the freedom to
> make unlimited domestic mobile-to-mobile calls at no charge to any of
> the company's nearly 22 million customers.

>     - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=40359863

Not quite free.  You have to sign a two year contract, which is free to
enter but time-consuming or expensive to get out of.

Most of the people I know with mobile phones are not with AT&T, so it
wouldn't help me anyway.  It's probably technically possible to offer
free calls to *any* carrier's mobile phones, but that's not what
they're doing.



In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted comfort and
security.  And in the end, they lost it all - freedom, comfort and
security.  Edward Gibbons


Jack Hamilton
jfh@acm.org

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From: friedebach@yahoo.com (Eric Friedebach)
Subject: Re: AT&T Wireless Offer Provides Free, Unlimited Mobile-to-Mobile
Date: 31 Jan 2004 13:47:47 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> posted TELECOM Digest V23 #49:

> BASKING RIDGE, N.J.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 30, 2004--AT&T Wireless
> (NYSE:AWE) today announced an offer -- the first of its kind -- that
> can give new and current customers on qualifying plans the freedom to
> make unlimited domestic mobile-to-mobile calls at no charge to any of
> the company's nearly 22 million customers.

>      - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=40359863

A nice idea, but not the *first of its kind*. This feature is one of
the reasons I left AT&T last fall for Sprint. For consumers it costs
an extra $5 per month, and for business customers its included in all
plans.

Oh, and you don't have to sign a two year contract like what AT&T
requires.

Eric Friedebach

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From: SELLCOM Tech support <support@sellcom.com>
Subject: Re: Help With Call-Attendant System?
Organization: www.sellcom.com
Reply-To: support@sellcom.com
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:32:51 GMT


jcoronat@paulbunyan.net (James) posted on that vast internet thingie:

> Does anyone know how I could assemble a system of telephone equipment
> that will do this?

I can't promise that I can offer a complete solution, but can offer
some help I believe.  We have a nice music on hold device that you
could use as your music source http://www.holdphone.com The 5000 model
has a CD player but downloads the audio from the CD player.

You don't really want to leave a CD playing 24/365 do you?

The other piece to the puzzle might be our Talkswitch product
http://www.shopvoicemail.com that allows people to "cue" and supports
music on hold.  I believe it also supports announce only mail boxes
and is expandable for more lines and more memory.

I do not offer this as a definite "plug and play" solution for you,
but just as a possibility.  We try to put enough info on our website
for you to research a product *before* purchase.

Steve at SELLCOM

http://www.sellcom.com

Discount multihandset cordless phones by Siemens, AT&T, Panasonic,
Motorola Vtech 5.8Ghz; TMC ET4000 4line Epic phone, OnHoldPlus,
Talkswitch, Watchguard!  Brick wall "non MOV" surge
protection. Minuteman UPS systems If you sit at a desk
www.ergochair.biz you owe it to yourself.

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From: Ed Clarke <clarke@cilia.org>
Subject: Re: Need to Host Child Porn, Illegal Content, or Spam Server?
Date: 31 Jan 2004 19:48:50 GMT
Organization: Ciliophora Associates, Inc.
Reply-To: clarke@cilia.org


In article <telecom23.48.12@telecom-digest.org>, Matt Simpson wrote:

> Lisa Minter <lisa_minter2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:<telecom23.47.15@telecom-digest.org>:

>> I got this spam in email today. My question is, why don't police or
>> FBI nip this in the bud, stop it before it even gets started?

> Maybe because it's the police or FBI sending it out as a sting
> operation, trying to catch people stupid enough to respond to
> something that's so blatant about being illegal.

Yeah, like the myth that there are 14 year old girls on the internet.
No way, Jose!  They're all fat, balding 55 year old detectives.  Real
14 year old girls are at the mall strutting their stuff and secretly
watching 16 year old boys out of the corner of their eyes.

------------------------------

From: noname <kd1s@nospamplease.verizon.reallynospam.net>
Subject: Re: Comcast Takes on Broadcast TV For Local Ads
Organization: ATCC
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:23:04 GMT


In article <telecom23.49.3@telecom-digest.org>, monty@roscom.com says:

> By Michael Learmonth

> NEW YORK, Feb 2 (Reuters) - Comcast Corp. (NASDAQ:CMCSA), the No. 1
> U.S. cable operator, has forged alliances with cable operators around
> the country in the past year to get a bigger share of the $28 billion
> local advertising market from broadcasters.

> The culmination of the effort, to be announced Monday, is called
> "Comcast Spotlight," the company's $1 billion local advertising sales
> operation, which will sell time not only on Comcast's systems but on
> others in 75 markets.

> The alliances will allow Comcast to sell advertising in regional
> markets served by rival cable operators, a direct challenge to
> broadcast TV which has enjoyed a de facto monopoly on local
> advertising.

>      - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=40364114

They'll probably do just what Cox has done and which was one of my the 
factors in my telling them to take a hike. 

Know what ads they blocked? All the competitive ads -- for example we 
never saw DirectTV or Dish ads on Cox cable in RI, and very few Verizon 
DSL commercials. 

I'll be happy when there is real competition for the cable industry. 
Providence came so close with AB Cable but that happened around the time 
of the tech burst. 

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Date: Sun,  1 Feb 2004 08:09:10 -0600
From: pieterek@spamcop.net
Subject: Re: Treo 600 - Not Turning Off


On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 00:36:35 -0600, Gordon S. Hlavenka 
<nospam@crashelectronics.com> wrote to discuss Re: Treo 600
Not Turning Off

> Jeff wrote:

>> Ever since I got my Treo 600, it has not been able to turn itself off
>> when it is charging. Even though, I have the setting "turn off after 1
>> minute", it stays on all night when I have it plugged in and charging!

> Perhaps the Treo is using its microprocessor to monitor the charging
> process.  I know the HP100LX and 200LX work like this; even pressing the
> Power button won't turn them off when they're plugged in with battery
> charging enabled.

<snip>

The Treo is a PalmOS-based device and should have in Preferences |
General | Power (IIRC, it is a PalmOS 5.x device), a drop-down menu
for "Stay on in Cradle" (or something similar". It sounds like Jeff
may have that set to "On".  Change it to "Off", and voila, the Treo
screen will no longer light up the night while it is plugged in and
charging.


Best regards,

Claire Pieterek
Sr Technical Editor,
Computing Unplugged
http://www.computingunplugged.com

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Reply-To: <37273-feedback-29@lb.bcentral.com>
From: Entresource <entresource@lb.bcentral.com>
Subject: Entrepreneurs Resource Expo: Come Share Your Resources
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 12:05:33 0000


ENTREPRENEURS RESOURCE EXPO

Tuesday, February 10, 6-10pm

Spenger's Restaurant, 1919 Fourth Street, Berkeley, in the Atlantic &
Pacific Rooms One huge banquet hall filled with resources for you and
your business.

EXHIBITING SPONSORS SO FAR:

Bay Area Business Woman News Magazine
B&T Bookkeeping 
Emeryville Chamber of Commerce
Gevity
Merril Lync
MuyBueno.net
National Association for the Self-Employed
PagePoint
Yellow Belly Web Design

YOU OR YOUR COMPANY CAN BE AN EXHIBITOR
Tables are still available!!

Table rental fees are $105 for half a 6-ft. table (for 1 person) and
$140 for a 6-ft. table (for 2 people), which includes the $20
admission fee for each person.  Table locations are on a first-paid,
first-choice basis.  Send us an email, and we will fax you an
application.  Once we receive your paid application, we will call you
regarding table location.

Over 100 entrepreneurs are expected to attend.

25 exhibitors will offer great resources for your business.  

Admission $20 

Price includes hors d'oeuvres buffet.

For more information, send an email to:

GH@EntreSource.org
Include your fax number

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From: Nick Ruark <nbruark@qualitymobile.com>
Subject: NTIA Forum on Public Safety Spectrum Management - Feb 10-11 - DC
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 14:08:01 -0800


Pat & Lisa....

Thought some folks on the list might be interested in this ---
especially since it appears to be the ONLY opportunity they may have
to publicly participate and/or speak out on the subject.

Nick Ruark
Quality MobileCommunications

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National Forum on
Public Safety Spectrum Management

A Public Meeting to Address Objectives in the President's Memorandum
on Spectrum Policy

February 10-11, 2004

The Department of Commerce's National Telecommunications and
Information Administration (NTIA) will host a 2-day public meeting
designed to gather information from state and local public safety
entities and governments about better ways to manage the Nation's
airwaves. The meeting will be held on February 10-11, 2004, at the
Omni Shoreham in Washington, DC. The Omni Shoreham is located at 2500
Calvert Street NW. Phone: (202) 234-0700 Fax: (202) 265-7972

This public meeting will offer an opportunity for interested parties
to participate in the President's initiative to develop a
U.S. spectrum policy for the 21st century to ensure national and
homeland security, promote economic growth, and foster new
technologies. If you cannot attend, but would like to participate, a
webcast will be conducted. Information will be forthcoming. In
addition, a comprehensive online survey will be posted at the
beginning of February.

The Department of Commerce will develop recommendations for revising
policies and procedures to promote more efficient and beneficial use
of spectrum based on the input gathered through this public meeting.

There is no registration for this free event. If you are interested in
attending or, wish to receive related fact sheets, meeting preparation
materials, and updated agendas, please visit
http://www.pswn.gov/dc_forum.cfm or
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/frnotices/2004/publicsafetyforum_01082004.htm


Forwarded from:
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PrivateWirelessForum

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